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Post by ncaam on Feb 8, 2018 8:54:57 GMT -5
Tim makes sense here believe it or not.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 8, 2018 8:59:54 GMT -5
I'm quite sure the current situation with the three players is of a much different order of magnitude than the Cohen thing - for the latter, Carmody & Co. might get a mulligan However, when four players in two years lose their ability to play due to off-court behavior, it's perfectly reasonable to hold the staff accountable to some degree. It's on their watch. And for both on-court and off-court reasons, there needs to be a change in the makeup of the staff next season.
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 8, 2018 9:00:06 GMT -5
Well the good news here is the same as the terrible news of the state of HC athletics, especially hoop, in the last 40 years.
Somewhat like "if a tree falls in the forest and no one .............
For us at least now our INVISIBLITY might be a positive.
A Holy Cross story, however salacious, will not be above the fold in The Boston Globe, let alone the Denver Post or LA Times
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 8, 2018 9:03:15 GMT -5
That's not correct. He's been to more games than just last night's. Correct. However, his usual seat is up in the chair-backs. Last night, he was court-side, Until this year. For the past 2 years I had the first 2 seats after the President's seats. This year however, those seasts are occupied by another poster as Fr. B decided to give them up and "float." I presume he got tired of listening to me and was allocated a few of courtside seats to use as needed, particularly to entertain donors or prospective donors. I imagine he was there last night due to the investigation and to send a message. What exactly that message was - putting someone on notice, supporting the team, both, something else - is as much of a guess as the exact nature of the investigation & suspensions.
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Post by Tom on Feb 8, 2018 9:05:46 GMT -5
No names necessary- but does anyone know at this point if the matter extends beyond the 1, 2 or 3 basketball players? Morning news radio said - Several players were suspended - School is not saying how many players or which sports - 3 players from the basketball team I interpret that to mean there are more than the three but they are on other teams. Just my read
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 8, 2018 9:06:52 GMT -5
Well the good news here is the same as the terrible news of the state of HC athletics, especially hoop, in the last 40 years. Somewhat like "if a tree falls in the forest and no one ............. For us at least now our INVISIBLITY might be a positive. A Holy Cross story, however salacious, will not be above the fold in The Boston Globe, let alone the Denver Post or LA Times the problem is that these media are less relevant than 40 yrs ago as well
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Post by possum on Feb 8, 2018 9:11:52 GMT -5
Sub par performance on the court over the last 10 years is bad enough but adding this type of nonsense to the equation is ridiculous. The team didn't show up last night, players and coaches, and turned in one of if not the most pathetic performance in the history of this storied program. If this type of effort continues for the rest of the season there is no way BC can return. Will be very interested to see what happens Saturday at BU. To think that many on this board were questioning MB bringing in Proctor based on character issues then watching what's happened the last two years under BC is frustrating and embarrassing.
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Post by classof83 on Feb 8, 2018 9:13:25 GMT -5
Fr. B was at court side with a few people - maybe some donors. I sat right across from him on the opposite side of the court. Seemed to me to be more smiles then scowls on his face and he seemed to be more interested in the kids doing the ancillary game activities - (baton twirler, band, dance team, activities on the court during timeouts) then the actual game. Of course, I was watching the players during the game and had less interest in what Fr. B was doing during that time. My impression was that the only reason he was there is because he was entertaining someone at the game. I wouldn't read too much into his presence.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 8, 2018 9:18:01 GMT -5
Well the good news here is the same as the terrible news of the state of HC athletics, especially hoop, in the last 40 years. Somewhat like "if a tree falls in the forest and no one ............. For us at least now our INVISIBLITY might be a positive. A Holy Cross story, however salacious, will not be above the fold in The Boston Globe, let alone the Denver Post or LA Times the problem is that these media are less relevant than 40 yrs ago as well And know less, too. The only guy at the Globe that I would trust to get a decent story out about college basketball would be Bob Ryan, and he's just a retired semi-contributor at this point. If the matter is trivial (hopefully), wouldn't it be something if HC had a non leaguer upcoming against one of the schools where the player(s) were on the take, like Louisville? The irony would be off the charts.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 8, 2018 9:39:27 GMT -5
[quote author=" crusader12" source="/post/60278/thread" Only way CBC goes is if he knew about any of this gambling which it sounds like he did not at all. [/quote] Was this reported as the violation?
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Post by Tom on Feb 8, 2018 9:52:41 GMT -5
From the Telegram
Not sure where WTAG came up with the word "several" that I posted earlier. If all they're working on is the above statement, I would consider their story misleading. Based solely on the written statement quoted, there could be three or there could be 300. I thought the term several came from "new" information. Based on the Telegram article, I am not sure if there is "new" information or careless wording by the radio
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2018 10:00:12 GMT -5
I feel like someone from one of our Patriot League rivals tossed some lemons in my Kool Aid pitcher.😥 You can always enjoy your lemonade.
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Post by lou on Feb 8, 2018 10:17:28 GMT -5
The original Herald story said teams
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 8, 2018 10:18:14 GMT -5
From the Telegram Not sure where WTAG came up with the word "several" that I posted earlier. If all they're working on is the above statement, I would consider their story misleading. Based solely on the written statement quoted, there could be three or there could be 300. I thought the term several came from "new" information. Based on the Telegram article, I am not sure if there is "new" information or careless wording by the radio Trust me - there is no one at 'TAG who would have more info than some of the posters here do. Nothing more than poor rephrasing of the published report.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 8, 2018 10:26:18 GMT -5
8485 has successfully smoked me out. Yeah, I'm the guy that now has "the best seats in the house" [how could you call the seats formerly occupied by President Boroughs and a line of his predecessors anything but that?] ? I don't know what the NCAA violations in play are now but I do know what Cohen's situation was and a lot more serious than an NCAA violation or breaking team rules. And no need for Carmody to take a Mulligan with that situation. That was all on the player and had virtually nothing to do with being on the team. He was rightfully kicked out of school which would have happened whether he was on the basketball team or just a "regular" student.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 8, 2018 11:20:39 GMT -5
I don't know what the NCAA violations in play are now but I do know what Cohen's situation was and a lot more serious than an NCAA violation or breaking team rules. And no need for Carmody to take a Mulligan with that situation. That was all on the player and had virtually nothing to do with being on the team. Point taken, but what happened with Cohen should have sent off an alarm and put the staff on high alert. Part of a coach's responsibility entails mentoring and monitoring players off the court, which means giving an assistant specific responsibility in that area. That's what Kevin Robinson did for Milan Brown, what guys like Andy Sachs did for Willard, and what Raynor often took on himself. I don't recall anything like this during their tenures. What the three players in the current situation did may ultimately be seen as demonstrating simple stupidity and/or a lack of personal responsibility. But to believe it happened in a vacuum may be a little naive.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 8, 2018 11:36:09 GMT -5
So, what is the outcome of this? suspension? declared ineligible? tossed from the team? loss of scholarships? (by individuals or team)... Nothing can be done about the past, only the future..
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Post by joe on Feb 8, 2018 11:46:08 GMT -5
Did I miss the announcement as to what the violations are? Why is being a HC fan a perpetual live-in-suspense s**t show? Months to hire a football coach from two blocks away, a president who chooses to attend a hoops game the night after a "suspension" of players for yet unidentified NCAA violations, etc., etc. Are we actually trying to create drama and poor optics? And this is a day after we had the opportunity to be bold and lay the Crusader debacle to rest once and for all and, rather than doing so, we chose to introduce another needless debate about a possible flaw in the militant appearance of the mascot? People wonder why there are so few fans left. Who has time for this? It's not really that important in most people's lives. God bless each of you for caring. Furthermore, management like this in the real world would be career ending, not for a single boss, but for entire divisions of corporations. The medical malpractice equivalent would not be death but permanent impairment from carelessness in the delivery of medicine and would result in a loss of license. Give me a flippin' break and grow the Hell up, Holy Cross. You are trying to prepare kids for the real world but don't seem to have enough real world experience to know how to set the right example. If you want to suspend kids then suspend them and keep the story private. All fans need to see is that a couple of players were absent for a couple games and that's it. If you want to announce this suspension and then draw attention to the individuals by their absence, at least give them the respect of making an at least general comment about what's going on.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 8, 2018 11:56:13 GMT -5
You guys have always wished you were a high major school unfortunately it looks like your getting a taste of it with the violations. Thanks very much for your input. At least he comes on this board and says it to our face.....
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Post by spenser on Feb 8, 2018 12:10:02 GMT -5
Did I miss the announcement as to what the violations are? Why is being a HC fan a perpetual live-in-suspense s**t show? Months to hire a football coach from two blocks away, a president who chooses to attend a hoops game the night after a "suspension" of players for yet unidentified NCAA violations, etc., etc. Are we actually trying to create drama and poor optics? And this is a day after we had the opportunity to be bold and lay the Crusader debacle to rest once and for all and, rather than doing so, we chose to introduce another needless debate about a possible flaw in the militant appearance of the mascot? People wonder why there are so few fans left. Who has time for this? It's not really that important in most people's lives. God bless each of you for caring. Furthermore, management like this in the real world would be career ending, not for a single boss, but for entire divisions of corporations. The medical malpractice equivalent would not be death but permanent impairment from carelessness in the delivery of medicine and would result in a loss of license. Give me a flippin' break and grow the Hell up, Holy Cross. You are trying to prepare kids for the real world but don't seem to have enough real world experience to know how to set the right example. If you want to suspend kids then suspend them and keep the story private. All fans need to see is that a couple of players were absent for a couple games and that's it. If you want to announce this suspension and then draw attention to the individuals by their absence, at least give them the respect of making an at least general comment about what's going on. How about that the matter is still under investigation and to go public with the information that you seem to think we should have would compromise the integrity of the investigation and violate the rights of the athletes. That certainly overrides any fan interest or concerns.
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Post by hc2489 on Feb 8, 2018 12:17:52 GMT -5
Heard from a good source what happened. Unfortunate and petty violation with huge potential punishment exposure. Can’t blame administrators, it’s all on the players. I'm not sure what you define as a petty violation, but I heard from a very good source that it is more than a petty violation. Definitely not a Super Bowl squares type violation.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2018 12:20:01 GMT -5
Looks as if we have either conflicting sources or interpretations
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Post by joe on Feb 8, 2018 12:20:59 GMT -5
Did I miss the announcement as to what the violations are? Why is being a HC fan a perpetual live-in-suspense s**t show? Months to hire a football coach from two blocks away, a president who chooses to attend a hoops game the night after a "suspension" of players for yet unidentified NCAA violations, etc., etc. Are we actually trying to create drama and poor optics? And this is a day after we had the opportunity to be bold and lay the Crusader debacle to rest once and for all and, rather than doing so, we chose to introduce another needless debate about a possible flaw in the militant appearance of the mascot? People wonder why there are so few fans left. Who has time for this? It's not really that important in most people's lives. God bless each of you for caring. Furthermore, management like this in the real world would be career ending, not for a single boss, but for entire divisions of corporations. The medical malpractice equivalent would not be death but permanent impairment from carelessness in the delivery of medicine and would result in a loss of license. Give me a flippin' break and grow the Hell up, Holy Cross. You are trying to prepare kids for the real world but don't seem to have enough real world experience to know how to set the right example. If you want to suspend kids then suspend them and keep the story private. All fans need to see is that a couple of players were absent for a couple games and that's it. If you want to announce this suspension and then draw attention to the individuals by their absence, at least give them the respect of making an at least general comment about what's going on. How about that the matter is still under investigation and to go public with the information that you seem to think we should have would compromise the integrity of the investigation and violate the rights of the athletes. That certainly overrides any fan interest or concerns. THEN DON"T MENTION IT AT ALL. As far as I know this is a college based investigation, not NCAA, not criminal. The public does not need to know anything. The way this is being handled is incorrect. Look at all the needless drama. Do the investigation, assess the problem, discipline the kids, and make public what you think needs to be made public when it's all over. Half assed.
In fact, half-assed is a great word for HC athletics. Half of what they do is great, the other half is asinine. Maybe we can shoot for three-quarter-assed in 2018.
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Post by Tom on Feb 8, 2018 12:29:41 GMT -5
If you want to suspend kids then suspend them and keep the story private. All fans need to see is that a couple of players were absent for a couple games and that's it. If you want to announce this suspension and then draw attention to the individuals by their absence, at least give them the respect of making an at least general comment about what's going on. The HC press release says they learned about this over the weekend. The press release came Wednesday after the Herald story. It looks like they did try to keep the story private, but the Herald forced their hand. Depending what happened, HC would have reported this to the NCAA. The leak might have come from the NCAA and not HC Even though the story is out, I am not surprised that any large organization, including HC, isn't making officials statements about an on going investigation. It's frustrating not knowing. People might assume the worst of the three noticeable individuals, but that's the way of the world. This could be guys with a 2.1 average sneaking an academic achievement patch on their uniform or guys putting a hit on Bill McCarthy for a history of anti-HC officiating - or anything in between. Without knowing what we're talking about, it's hard to measure the appropriateness of the way the school is releasing information.
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Post by wooman on Feb 8, 2018 12:34:49 GMT -5
Let's hope that whatever it is, it is minor in nature and doesn't do lasting harm to the players involved or the program. However, if it is minor then why not get out in front of it and at least identify the subject matter and say the investigation is ongoing and leave it at that?
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