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Post by sader1970 on Feb 8, 2018 19:54:16 GMT -5
I think I've been able to bridge the gap between those who want to get rid of the Medieval Crusader and those struggling to find a "Modern Crusader" logo/mascot. Hopefully, having been retired in 2000, it would still be considered "modern" enough. Considering Holy Cross has a proud history of association with the Navy and Marines through the NROTC program, the F-8 Crusader would seem to be a natural. Some history: Attachment Deleted |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2018 20:44:35 GMT -5
Interesting choice! By the same token, The British Crusader tank would also be interesting.  |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 9, 2018 6:24:42 GMT -5
I'll be the contrarian, and take the mascot back to its roots. Constantine created the scholae palatinae, --the Palantine school, in English. The Palatines replaced the Praetorians as the imperial guard. As these were the emperor's bodyguard, that allows Holy Cross to bring in the royal purple of the emperor. And "Let's go scholae!!!" has a nice ring to it!  Right click on the image to get a larger view. This is a depiction of the Palatines in the late Fourth Century, or about 50-60 years after they were created. The Palatines are the five soldiers in the upper center, carrying torches. I think substituting torches for swords is a nice touch, a torch is a symbol of light and knowledge. This sculpted art was carved in Milan, which was the home of the Imperial court during this time period. These are also Palatines of the Western Empire, though the Eastern emperors also had Palatines. And the Palatines were cavalry, so HC gets to bring back the horse. |
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2018 7:06:51 GMT -5
All well and good, Phreek, except the BoT has already agreed the keep the name “Crusader.” Your Palantines fail to meet that low bar and at least Rob’s example does but has the negative of being from, from an Irish perspective, the odious British (I kid).
Look, mine is made in the USA which will pass muster with the current President (of the U.S., if not of Holy Cross, who being Canadian at birth is now a naturalized U.S. citizen) and has a direct connection to the Navy and Marines and I would be willing to bet some alum(s) have flown the F-8. It is a non-denominational element to it yet a fighter for justice and democracy.
Lent is coming soon and I want to get an early start on my annual hiatus so this is my final pitch for my modern Crusader submission.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 9, 2018 10:20:17 GMT -5
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In 1969, I had the pleasure of being in the same air wing with a detachment of RF-8’s aboard USS FDR CVA-42. We operated in the Atlantic, Caribbean & Mediterranean. It was a photo/recon detachment flying that version of the fighter. Many of us would go up in the island to watch it come aboard when it was announced in the ready room that it was in the landing pattern.
There is at least one HC F-8 pilot in the class of ’58. We talked at reunion.
You may know that the NROTC Unit midshipmen are called the Holy Cross Crusader Battalion. Some mids carry swords and rifles on a few ceremonial occasions. The next is the annual Presidents Review, April 13 in the Hart.
You were on campus when “weapons” carried by the ROTC was a big issue. An O’Callahan Society member, class of ’71, has an article in the upcoming April issue of Naval History published by U.S. Naval Institute. He recounts the decision to retain ROTC at the College. He has an amusing anecdote about swords. It just occurred to me that our president at that time was Fr Swords.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2018 10:25:50 GMT -5
Excellent 6774, can I count you as jumping on my bandwagon?  |
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 9, 2018 11:13:24 GMT -5
Excellent 6774, can I count you as jumping on my bandwagon? I'll forward you idea to the Unit CO, a helo pilot, ["I'm a Navy pilot who can land on any ship!"] and the battalion staff. btw we were all in awe of the skill that it took to bring that plane aboard, even the Phantom guys. Re class of '58... iirc he survived a ramp strike, caught a wire in afterburner and flew the next day! |
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 9, 2018 12:44:34 GMT -5
When the politically correct discover that the F-8 Crusader was used during the Vietnam War, their objections to it would probably be far louder than all the complaints they made about the medieval crusaders.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 9, 2018 13:22:22 GMT -5
The may find a way to complain about anything that was actually "used." |
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Post by Jim on Feb 9, 2018 13:51:21 GMT -5
When the politically correct discover that the F-8 Crusader was used during the Vietnam War, their objections to it would probably be far louder than all the complaints they made about the medieval crusaders. They'll love hearing about its having the reputation of the "best" kill ratio of any fighter plane in Vietnam. |
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2018 14:00:24 GMT -5
Look, for all of the current students and many of the alums, Vietnam is as ancient history as the Crusades. For some of us, we were in the thick of the debate on that war with some proudly serving their country and others morally opposed to it. Hopefully, most have seen Ken Burns' treatment of the war and while it may be just me, I believe that most of my generation no matter what side you were on, have come to a certain peace with the opposing side - some mutual respect.
But, if this suggestion generates a debate about the relative "merits" of the F-8 vs. the traditional Crusader and the College decides, the F-8 would be even more divisive and decides to stay with Iggy, I am OK with that!
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Post by hcpride on Feb 9, 2018 16:22:38 GMT -5
Notwithstanding my avatar and fondness for the A-10, the F-8 Crusader is a winner in my book.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2018 16:51:30 GMT -5
Still pushing the F-8 but loved the A-10 "Go Ugly Early" Warthogs when they were based where we lived in Syracuse. Attachment Deleted |
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