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Post by lou on Feb 26, 2018 13:08:00 GMT -5
Always followed Lehigh, Lafayette, and other "D-1" scores in the paper as a kid in the 50s and 60s
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2018 13:11:18 GMT -5
L, L & B were in the old East Coast Conference. There were some good basketball schools in that league and some bad ones en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coast_Conference_(Division_I)Definitely Division 1. And Lehigh did win the D2 national championship in football some time in the 70s; then moved up to 1AA. A confusing era looking back because a school could pick and choose it's levels in different sports. Fordham and Georgetown in D3 was not an anomaly.
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Post by res on Feb 26, 2018 13:17:17 GMT -5
And Lehigh did win the D2 national championship in football some time in the 70s; then moved up to 1AA. That wasn't really a move-up, it was a move-over. In 1978, D1AA was created for those schools with DII football who otherwise wanted to compete in D1 sports. So all schools in D1AA in 1978 had played DII football the previous season. EDIT: Though I guess it's possible that one or two might have dropped down from what became D1A that first year, but I doubt it.
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Post by res on Feb 26, 2018 13:44:11 GMT -5
Always followed Lehigh, Lafayette, and other "D-1" scores in the paper as a kid in the 50s and 60s That's funny. I was too young to have been doing it in the '50s but I remember doing the same thing in the 60s and early 70s. But I don't remember any segregation by division. One was left to one's own devices to separate out the Colby-Bates scores from the St. John's-Niagara ones.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 26, 2018 13:51:41 GMT -5
And Lehigh did win the D2 national championship in football some time in the 70s; then moved up to 1AA. That wasn't really a move-up, it was a move-over. In 1978, D1AA was created for those schools with DII football who otherwise wanted to compete in D1 sports. So all schools in D1AA in 1978 had played DII football the previous season. EDIT: Though I guess it's possible that one or two might have dropped down from what became D1A that first year, but I doubt it.
Aren't we all intimately associated with a school that absolutely did not "play DII football the previous season", and which certainly did "drop down from what became D1A that first year"??
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Post by lou on Feb 26, 2018 13:55:06 GMT -5
Always followed Lehigh, Lafayette, and other "D-1" scores in the paper as a kid in the 50s and 60s That's funny. I was too young to have been doing it in the '50s but I remember doing the same thing in the 60s and early 70s. But I don't remember any segregation by division. One was left to one's own devices to separate out the Colby-Bates scores from the St. John's-Niagara ones. Agree, kind of why I used the "D-1", as you say it was one list. Our local radio guy (Western Mass) loved to report the Slippery Rock U scores, same idea
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Post by res on Feb 26, 2018 14:10:28 GMT -5
Aren't we all intimately associated with a school that absolutely did not "play DII football the previous season", and which certainly did "drop down from what became D1A that first year"??
I assume you're referring to the Cross, but I didn't think you guys didn't drop down until 1981 or so.
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Post by Tom on Feb 26, 2018 14:38:08 GMT -5
Aren't we all intimately associated with a school that absolutely did not "play DII football the previous season", and which certainly did "drop down from what became D1A that first year"??
I assume you're referring to the Cross, but I didn't think you guys didn't drop down until 1981 or so. IIRC, 1981 was the last year in I-A. 1982 was the first year in I-AA at everybody's favorite school
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2018 14:54:41 GMT -5
Tom's right. The first 4-5 years of 1AA did not include Holy Cross or the Ivies. In fact, when the 1978 team was standing at 6-0 (or was it 5-0); there was a lot of talk about a bowl (yeah, minor) game. They ended up 7-4.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 26, 2018 18:02:14 GMT -5
Not sure where you're getting your info. Lehigh, Lafayette and Bucknell were all D-I schools in basketball in 1978 and before (called "University Division" prior to 1973). Football had been D-II through 1977 when the D-1AA was created. Actually my "source" is simply having seen Lehigh's D-II National Championship banner at Goodman Stadium. I wasn't clear in post but I was referring to the schools being D-II football members not basketball. However, I didn't know for sure that those three schools did indeed play Division I basketball prior to that. I believe back then you could put different sports in separate divisions. I do know that the Yankee Conference was Division II football prior to the I-AA split but these schools I'm pretty sure had D-I hoops prior to that - would have been UConn, UMass, UNH, BU, UVM, Maine, URI and probably missing a couple. Guessing it would have been tough for UConn to go from D-II basketball to the Big East in under two years! Question for res since you seem pretty knowledgeable on the college sports landscape from the 70's and prior: Did all conferences get an NCAA auto-bid then or was it only certain more prestigious leagues? For example would whatever "DI" conference with Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette, Delaware, Gettysburg, Slippery Rock, Temple?, and the like have gotten a team into either NCAA or NIT?
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Post by res on Feb 27, 2018 8:26:39 GMT -5
Did all conferences get an NCAA auto-bid then or was it only certain more prestigious leagues? For example would whatever "DI" conference with Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette, Delaware, Gettysburg, Slippery Rock, Temple?, and the like have gotten a team into either NCAA or NIT? Thank you for your faith in my knowledge, but though I lived through much of it, my memory is quite spotty. Wikipedia helps. The tournament has evolved over time as I'm sure you know but essentially, yes, all conferences got an auto-bid. Keep in mind a few things, however First, there were a lot fewer conferences -- and there were a lot fewer teams in the tournament. But there were a large number of independent schools, particularly in the mid-Atlantic and northeast, the overwhelming majority members of a loose configuration known as the East Coast Athletic Conference (ECAC). Each conference got one and only one bid. Going back to the mid-70s and before, the bid went to the regular season champion as most conferences did not have a conference tournament, the most notable exception being the ACC. The at-large bids went to independents. IIRC, for much of this time (when there were 25 or 32 teams in the tournament) there were 3 bids reserved in the East Region for independent schools. Sometime in the mid-70s the NCAA changed how the three at-large bids were allocated by grouping the ECAC schools into four geographic categories, ECAC Metro NY, ECAC Upstate NY, ECAC Southern and ECAC New England. Three separate 4-team tournaments were created consisting of four teams from the Metro region, four teams from the New England region, and two each from the Upstate and Sourthern regions. The three winners were awarded the three formerly at-large bids. Anyhow, this is probably much more than you wanted to know. There are tons of people here who could probably explain it better.
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 1, 2018 21:16:10 GMT -5
If we can find a way to somehow get to a semifinal game against these guys next Sunday.......I am going to take a seat right behind these announcers. Let them hear it!!!!!!!!
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