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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 26, 2018 16:48:17 GMT -5
Here's how the players stacked up in the KenPom O-Rating --as we know, offense is just half the game and the O-Rating may not be a perfect measure
O-Rating is for the full season including OOC
1st Team
117.3= Brown- Bucknell---- 102.3 Defense per sports-reference. NOTE: The lower the number is the better it is
111.9= Foulland - Bucknell----- 98.6
110.7= Thomas-Bucknell----96.5
100.9= Anderson- Navy------100.9
90.9= Walker-- Loyola------107.0
2nd Team
115.2= Ross- Lehigh---- 109.3
111.6= Klinewski- Lafayette-----106.0
111.0= Rayman- Colgate-------104.0
108.5= Tejada- Lehigh-----111.5
95.3= Nelson--American U------106.8
3rd Team
118.9= O'Brien- Colgate-----107.1
115.9= Swopshire- Colgate------107.0
109.3= Mahoney- Boston U------101.7
104.7= Petrie- Lafayette------ 111.3
103.5= Floyd- Holy Cross-----100.6
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 16:51:54 GMT -5
KY What does Pomeroy say about JF vs Klinewski ? KenPom's numbers may be slightly different, but Klinewski looks to be about +9 on ORtg, Jehyve +6 on DRtg. Player Efficiency Rating (PER), largely offensive in nature, gives Klinewski the edge, 25.1 to 21.2. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/patriot/2018-leaders.htmlI doubt most of the coaches look at advanced stats for this exercise. There would be no way Andre Walker would make even 3rd team if they did. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 26, 2018 16:55:23 GMT -5
Congrats to Floyd and Butler!
If Floyd was more prominently featured in the offense, he would have been a lock for 1st or 2nd team. Our lack of emphasis on getting the ball inside hurt him when viewed by outsiders.
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Post by Ray on Feb 26, 2018 16:59:07 GMT -5
Congrats to Floyd and Butler! If Floyd was more prominently featured in the offense, he would have been a lock for 1st or 2nd team. Our lack of emphasis on getting the ball inside hurt him when viewed by outsiders. Always the coaches' fault. You're nearly as predictable as hc87. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 16:59:18 GMT -5
Coaches also probably took note of JF's sub-47% accuracy from the line. He needs to improve that feature of his game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 26, 2018 17:07:40 GMT -5
I added defensive ratings to my earlier post--- source is Sports-Reference.com
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 17:07:48 GMT -5
If Floyd was more prominently featured in the offense, he would have been a lock for 1st or 2nd team. Our lack of emphasis on getting the ball inside hurt him when viewed by outsiders. Agreed. FGA/40: Klinewski 16.9 Foulland 14.4 Floyd 10.7
That some teams may feature zones against us or double down on him does not explain away this discrepancy. He rarely gets more than one touch on the blocks in a typical possession - when he kicks it back out, we rarely look to go back to him when he gets better position. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 26, 2018 17:27:52 GMT -5
Congrats to Floyd and Butler! If Floyd was more prominently featured in the offense, he would have been a lock for 1st or 2nd team. Our lack of emphasis on getting the ball inside hurt him when viewed by outsiders. Always the coaches' fault. You're nearly as predictable as hc87. Too funny. Would love to hear who else put the scheme together that resulted in the stats in WorcesterGray’s post. Maybe it was just the boogeyman? |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 17:31:12 GMT -5
Congrats to Floyd and Butler! If Floyd was more prominently featured in the offense, he would have been a lock for 1st or 2nd team. Our lack of emphasis on getting the ball inside hurt him when viewed by outsiders. Always the coaches' fault. You're nearly as predictable as hc87. Ray - with all due respect, and whatever animus bbc may or may not have aside, this is just a fact. We average 51 shots a game - Floyd averages 8. Whether there's fault or not, and whether it's good, bad, or indifferent - he's not featured in the offense. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 26, 2018 17:51:56 GMT -5
Congrats to JF and AB!
In regards to Jehyve, let me preface this by saying he has my vote hands down for Most Improved Player (if there was such an award). I was also expecting him to get on the 2nd team. But, for all his improvement, the current hole in his game (weak at shooting facing the basket) is as much as a factor as the schemes in his not getting as many shots as the others. Think about all the possessions where he gets the ball 15 feet from the hoop, with no one on him. In all fairness to Klinewski - if opponents do that with him, he knocks down the shot more often than not.
Even as I write this I am cringing, because I love Jehvye, and it's ultra cool that we have him for another year. But, I think to take that next leap (which will put him in the discussion for POY next year), he'll need to improve on this part of his game, at least a little bit (imho).
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 17:59:13 GMT -5
It's a valid point, Dave. But Foulland can't shoot a lick off the blocks, either. Get Jehyve another 3-4 shots per game in his comfort zone, and if he improves to 55% from the line, he'll average 16-17 ppg instead of 12 - and be in the conversation for PoY next year.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 26, 2018 18:06:25 GMT -5
I sure hope it works out that way!
Interestingly enough, I think our 2 award winners are going to be key guys in the Navy game, as the 2 most physical players on the team. Need them both on the court for 30+ to have a realistic shot at winning, imho.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 26, 2018 18:19:40 GMT -5
It's a valid point, Dave. But Foulland can't shoot a lick off the blocks, either. Get Jehyve another 3-4 shots per game in his comfort zone, and if he improves to 55% from the line, he'll average 16-17 ppg instead of 11 - and be in the conversation for PoY next year. In the Bucknell games I have seen, Foulland invariably shoots it when he gets the ball low and single teamed. JF not as much |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2018 18:25:36 GMT -5
I sure hope it works out that way! Interestingly enough, I think our 2 award winners are going to be key guys in the Navy game, as the 2 most physical players on the team. Need them both on the court for 30+ to have a realistic shot at winning, imho. Also need Caleb at his best vs. Abdullah&Co. in the half-court - CG scores 8-10+, we win. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 26, 2018 18:35:38 GMT -5
I sure hope it works out that way! Interestingly enough, I think our 2 award winners are going to be key guys in the Navy game, as the 2 most physical players on the team. Need them both on the court for 30+ to have a realistic shot at winning, imho. Also need Caleb at his best vs. Abdullah&Co. in the half-court - CG scores 8-10+, we win. Watching the first Navy game right now (figured the second game should be buried for eternity.......CG did not have much of a game down there. |
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Post by joutsHC77 on Feb 26, 2018 18:37:42 GMT -5
Congrats to Floyd and Butler! Looking forward to their continued improvement!
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Post by possum on Feb 26, 2018 18:39:06 GMT -5
Congratulations to Jehyve and Austin, awards are well deserved. Thankfully voters got it right on DPOY and didn't give it to Foulland based on past reputation. Thought JF should have made 2nd team but offensive stats carry more weight despite the fact that the old adage defense wins championships remains true. Agree that JF is not utilized to full advantage on offense and the comparison to Foulland is correct as he never shoots the ball from out of the paint and still gets off plenty of shots. Don't think we'll see JF develop any kind of a baby jumper so need to get ball to him in paint and have him attack basket as often as possible.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 26, 2018 18:53:34 GMT -5
While I agree that Jehyve's game is very similar to Nana's, Nana's supporting cast is much more proven at this time than JF's.....has to result in some additional opportunities for Foulland. Down the road the improvement in the surrounding team might benefit JF too.......
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 26, 2018 19:47:47 GMT -5
Also, it is not a hard and fast rule, but seniors are given a nod over under classmen if players are close. In being selected, there are coaches who vote seniors first because they have been there, have paid their dues and are better known. What JF got this year will put him in a good place for first team next year, IMHO.
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 26, 2018 20:47:43 GMT -5
Congratulations to both JF and AB!  ! Bot very deserving of the accolades they received!
From the Worcester telegram:
www.telegram.com/news/20180226/jehyve-floyd-leads-holy-cross-mens-basketball-team-into-patriot-league-tournament
Coach Joe Scott worked tirelessly with JF on developing his moves down low, particularly the hook shot. Maybe this off season JF can develop a 10 to 15 foot jumper and make a higher percentage of free throws!
Ever since he JF was a freshman, I 've said "if Togo was 20 years younger, I'd have him spend every offseason minute with JF"!
But, considering that FHCMB wanted to hide him in a prep school for a year he has done extremely well! As one coach told FHCMB "but, where are you gonna hide him - China?"  !
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Post by Crosser on Feb 26, 2018 22:55:00 GMT -5
Jehyve and Austin should be proud of how their hard work has been recognized. Congratulations!
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Post by Tom on Feb 27, 2018 9:06:54 GMT -5
Congratulations to both JF and AB! ! Bot very deserving of the accolades they received!
Coach Joe Scott worked tirelessly with JF on developing his moves down low, particularly the hook shot. Maybe this off season JF can develop a 10 to 15 foot jumper and make a higher percentage of free throws!
I wouldn't mind seeing Perry Sr take a little time with him on free throws. He is a very good teacher of that. He worked a lot with Josh Sankes between junior and senior years with very noticeable results. He did all right with his son as well who was no slouch at the line |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 27, 2018 10:42:52 GMT -5
If I’m picking a 10-person team of current PL players, Jehyve is definitely on it.
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! Bot very deserving of the accolades they received! 
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