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Post by matunuck on Mar 15, 2018 12:30:57 GMT -5
Still stagnant and under-performing relative to our peer institutions?
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 16, 2018 10:56:49 GMT -5
Probably of course, expending all their energies on eradicating the offensive Crusader! Current administration et al presiding over the slow disintegration of HC in many areas especially guts.
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Post by alum on Mar 16, 2018 11:30:16 GMT -5
Probably of course, expending all their energies on eradicating the offensive Crusader! Current administration et al presiding over the slow disintegration of HC in many areas e specially guts.There are no more easy classes? Now that is a real problem.
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Post by alum on Mar 16, 2018 11:35:25 GMT -5
Still stagnant and under-performing relative to our peer institutions? It looks like admissions decisions are going out on Saturday. Admissions letters frequently cite stats so perhaps we will know something then.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 17, 2018 6:39:19 GMT -5
Still stagnant and under-performing relative to our peer institutions? It would be great to see us turn things around. Last year's reported 39% acceptance rate was not great. Our 60% top ten-percent for enrolled students last year part was lower than previous years. We'll have to wait for final enrollment of the accepted students to get that figure. Since we are a "test-score optional" school, there is only very limited additional data (beyond a somewhat squishy top 10% figure) to attempt to determine relative academic quality (for those who care) of the incoming freshmen. [Measuring our SAT/ACT test score average for enrolled students - given our 'test score optional' policy, wherein those students with better scores are more likely to use them as part of the regular admissions process - is inherently problematic. Comparing HC last year to HC this year, etc. is still somewhat possible given that caveat. Comparing HC to other schools in terms of SAT/ACT is far more inexact. HC Admissions is well aware of all of this.] Of course there will be many many stats readily available on diversity (racial, geographic, public v catholic schools, and otherwise) of accepted and enrolled students.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Mar 17, 2018 13:03:37 GMT -5
My daughter just got her acceptance letter this am....."over 7000 applicants"
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 17, 2018 13:41:55 GMT -5
Congratulations—she now has a chance to go to the greatest college of them all
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Post by breezy on Mar 17, 2018 14:58:48 GMT -5
One applicant who was granted admission posted this on Twitter:
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Post by hchoops on Mar 17, 2018 16:05:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many applicants we have had in the recent past ?
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 17, 2018 18:44:27 GMT -5
Class of 2018 - 5302 Class of 2019 - 6595 Class of 2020 - 6693 Class of 2021 - 6622
I think class of 2018 was the year admissions required a supplemental essay and thus was a major contributor to fewer applications.
Over 7000 this year would be a nice development.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 17, 2018 18:56:46 GMT -5
Frightening that having to write an essay was such a negative factor. At my college/grad school effective writing was one of the weakest skills of the students in our graduate counseling program. We not only went to a required essay, it had to be written in person on one of our three campuses.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 17, 2018 19:37:31 GMT -5
Frightening that having to write an essay was such a negative factor. At my college/grad school effective writing was one of the weakest skills of the students in our graduate counseling program. We not only went to a required essay, it had to be written in person on one of our three campuses. The college essays at this point are a bit of a joke in that there is absolutely nothing to prevent a student from getting 'help' in writing them. I can't imagine college admission folks are unaware of that. (But I have heard anecdotally that additional required essays may reduce applicants as CHC8485 notes. Just as waiving fees or test scores may increase applicants).
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 18, 2018 7:22:36 GMT -5
As I mentioned above, colleges are aware of that. (Heck, some students have even in the event past hired people to take the SATs for them.) That is why some (including Mercy College, NY) have the students write the essay in person at the college or at an alternate location (under approved supervision). It is typically paired with a tour of the campus and has worked well in upgrading the overall level of writing in our students. Does it take more time..yes. Is it worth the effort...also yes. It is also seen as a way for a marginal student with good communication/writing skills to get into a program that he/she might otherwise not have been able to enter.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 18, 2018 9:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by Bleed Purple on Mar 18, 2018 10:30:04 GMT -5
IIRC, last year's yield (% of accepted students who actually enroll) was higher than expected. Might admissions make an adjustment in their formula (accept a lower number of students) assuming that positive trend continues?
Also, a quick calculation shows that if we accept the same number of students as last year (2,583) (6,622X.39), then our % accepted will drop to 37% (2,583/7050). I use 7,050 based on admissions language of "over 7,000.....could be 7,001, 7,099 or anything in between. If admissions drops the number admitted (based on anticipation of continuation of last year's yield) coupled with increase applicants, could we see % accepted dip to 36%? % accepted is a key metric in judging the competitiveness/desireability of a school
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Post by hcpride on Mar 18, 2018 10:31:44 GMT -5
PP - The article (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/education/edlife/extra-essay-requirements-on-college-applications-can-discourage-candidates.html) fails to note the 'cough cough' elephant in the room regarding college essays (supplemental and otherwise). In my community 'help' (either by private college counsellors, high school counsellors, high school teachers instructing the college essay courses, or various other skilled writers) on the college essays is the norm. With that dose of reality in mind, the BC admissions director's concluding quote is - at best - delusional: “ 'We’re trying to hear the student’s voice,' he says.' BTW 'student's voice' is typical admissions gobbledygook. (But, the point that BC's supplemental essay is a bit time consuming and therefore in some circumstances may limit applications to the more interested students - thus boosting yield perhaps - has some validity IMHO.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 18, 2018 17:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Apr 28, 2018 21:02:41 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 5:08:21 GMT -5
Great news for Villanova! Looks like their national championship is having a Flutie effect.
Think HC needs to offer these courses?
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Post by hcpride on Apr 29, 2018 9:37:26 GMT -5
Great news for Villanova! Looks like their national championship is having a Flutie effect.
Think HC needs to offer these courses? Perhaps. It is true Villanova saw another rise (7.6%) in applications this year But, this was the very first year Villanova utilized ED and we all know the positive (and large) effect that has on acceptance rates. HC has benefitted from that statistical boost for many years. Villanova's Class of 2020 acceptance rate was 44%, Class of 2021 acceptance rate was 35.9%, And now for class of 2022 it is 28.8%. One suspects they continue to make gains in applicant/enrollee academic quality (as measured by their 'test score required" ACT score average and percentage of students in the top 10% of their high school graduating class). For those who still bother comparing academic qualifications of enrollees at popular northeast Catholic schools like BC and Villanova with Holy Cross, here again are last year's numbers (no info yet on this year's academic numbers): Holy Cross Enrolled Students Class of 2021: ACT Composite Average ('Test Score Optional'): 29.5, Percentage of Students in Top 10%: 57.2% Villanova Enrolled Students Class of 2021: ACT Composite Average (Actual): 31.5, Percentage of Students in Top 10%: 65% (At this point I'd look at Fordham University as the next northeast Catholic school - after Boston College and Villanova - to close the gap and then surpasses us in terms of enrollee academic quality. While P.C. might narrow the gap I don't see them catching us) (FWIW: Boston College is at 22% for class of 2022 acceptances and I suppose there are still a few mystified that the 35-year 'Flutie Effect' has not ended. )
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 9:49:04 GMT -5
I am not mystified the Flutie effect did not just go away. If Holy Cross were to do something spectacular in sports . . . . like win a national championship or at least become a final 4 basketball team and the name got out nationally, more students/parents would investigate the school and apply. When things go well, they tend to get better and better. When things go poorly, you get a spiral in the opposite direction. Life and colleges don't remain static.
Unfortunately, we can only hope the Luth will stop the death spiral but I no longer have confidence in Holy Cross' president, BoT and Admissions folks.
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Post by breezy on Apr 29, 2018 10:35:02 GMT -5
Class of 2018 - 5302 Class of 2019 - 6595 Class of 2020 - 6693 Class of 2021 - 6622 I think class of 2018 was the year admissions required a supplemental essay and thus was a major contributor to fewer applications. Over 7000 this year would be a nice development. At the recent New Jersey President's Reception, Fr. Boroughs gave the number of applications as 7040.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 29, 2018 10:47:27 GMT -5
Class of 2018 - 5302 Class of 2019 - 6595 Class of 2020 - 6693 Class of 2021 - 6622 I think class of 2018 was the year admissions required a supplemental essay and thus was a major contributor to fewer applications. Over 7000 this year would be a nice development. At the recent New Jersey President's Reception, Fr. Boroughs gave the number of applications as 7040. I've also heard out applicant numbers are up a bit, we're aiming for a slightly smaller class size than last year's arrivals, and therefore our acceptance statistic will improve. Not sure how that measures up relative to our competitor schools and given the increasing number of per-student applications in general. I always eyeball the relative academic qualifications (ACT/top 10%) of the enrollees (understanding 'test score optional' effect, of course) as that is a leading indicator and less easily manipulated.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 10:49:14 GMT -5
mm67: I, for one, would like the reinstatement of the Crusader; not stone Prof. Liew but publicly and strongly emphasize the Catholic, Christian position the College should be proud of taking; and strongly suggest that Ann retire with full honors ("thank you for your service, Ann"). As for Villanova, I would bet that within 20 years, Holy Cross will no longer have that proud name. They might take a page from Wheeling and become "The Jesuit College of Worcester" though the beginning of that name might still be too offensive and there will likely be no Jesuit - certainly not in the president's position.
As for: I am as close as one comes to being a "class secretary" as I am Class Correspondent, Class webmaster and administrator of our Class message board - yeah, 3 different but similar positions after having been Class Chair for a number of years. I hear from them and there is a lot of frustration but as only alums and not in decision-making positions, not much we can do.
td128, for one, has made numerous suggestions to Holy Cross which, for the most part, seem to be ignored.
I have been in constant communication with the various folks in power on the hill. Unless and until I win the Powerball and can match the Luth's donations, TPTB do not listen because they think that things are fine and can be better still with more money. And, that, my friend, is why some folks have made the decision to either reduce or eliminate their donations.
Would be interested in your suggested solutions unless you are in the "ain't broke, don't fix it" position.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 29, 2018 11:01:13 GMT -5
I am not mystified the Flutie effect did not just go away. If Holy Cross were to do something spectacular in sports . . . . like win a national championship or at least become a final 4 basketball team and the name got out nationally, more students/parents would investigate the school and apply. When things go well, they tend to get better and better. When things go poorly, you get a spiral in the opposite direction. Life and colleges don't remain static. Unfortunately, we can only hope the Luth will stop the death spiral but I no longer have confidence in Holy Cross' president, BoT and Admissions folks. I agree. My deepest fear is that leadership (including Board of Trustees) thinks that we're doing just fine. I really do think that they believe the goal is to have a pretty good social justice/progressive school that plays a lot of Division I sports. So things that I think should highly concern them (academic slippage in terms of reputation and applicant academic quality, Professor Liew, athletic disasters, etc.) aren't concerns at all.
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