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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 1, 2018 19:17:07 GMT -5
There is no home and home with FBS/FCS.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 2, 2018 7:14:13 GMT -5
HC might be an opponent if Umass wants to play a game in Mass. somewhere east of Amherst....but clearly hcgrad94 is correct and the Minutemen would be calling the shots.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 2, 2018 7:41:09 GMT -5
There is no home and home with FBS/FCS. There is nothing that prevents it except stadium size and TV rights.
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Post by steve81 on Jun 2, 2018 10:26:48 GMT -5
In the past we were doing 1-1 as FCS but doubt any FBS team schedules FCS straight up. Not sure what is more important for HC. Most FCS teams play the FBS for a pay check. Not sure anyone would agree to it, but thought of the idea of a 2-1. You'd be giving up two payday games for one home game with 2-3k UMass fans and maybe a bit more because of the two local teams. I just don't know but like Fitton and the horseshoe design, thou parking is tight there and no real tailgating area for visitors.
Have always liked HC and was there once for BB as well when you beat St Joes at the end. Take Care.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 2, 2018 16:06:09 GMT -5
There is no home and home with FBS/FCS. There is nothing that prevents it except stadium size and TV rights. Yes just those two immovable forces that add up to $$$$.
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Post by beaven302 on Jun 3, 2018 12:46:48 GMT -5
The discussion of the pros and cons of HC playing FBS schools brought to mind a Sports Illustrated article that I read decades ago about a game between Mississippi and Chattanooga. I managed to dig it up through a Google search and found it was entitled "Requiem for a Moth," which was published in 1962. It noted that the goal of the Chattanooga players was to score a touchdown. Here's the link to the article: www.si.com/vault/1962/11/19/592351/requiem-for-a-moth.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 3, 2018 15:29:53 GMT -5
In the past we were doing 1-1 as FCS but doubt any FBS team schedules FCS straight up. Not sure what is more important for HC. Most FCS teams play the FBS for a pay check. Not sure anyone would agree to it, but thought of the idea of a 2-1. You'd be giving up two payday games for one home game with 2-3k UMass fans and maybe a bit more because of the two local teams. I just don't know but like Fitton and the horseshoe design, thou parking is tight there and no real tailgating area for visitors. Have always liked HC and was there once for BB as well when you beat St Joes at the end. Take Care. As long as UMASS is FBS, the only places we would play each other outside of Amherst would be Fenway or Gillette. No FBS team wants to play its FCS game on the road. If you get one FCS game to count as one of your six "bowl wins", why play it on the road and increase the degree of difficulty? And money-wise, the FCS schools benefit on our end from the guarantee check. In the last 15 years there are probably no more than three instances of an FBS playing on the road against an FCS. Idaho played at Montana at least once in 2002 or so. Yale hosted Army in 2014. West Virginia actually played a neutral site game at FedEx against JMU a couple years ago. Can't think of any more.
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Post by steve81 on Jun 3, 2018 21:03:05 GMT -5
In the past we were doing 1-1 as FCS but doubt any FBS team schedules FCS straight up. Not sure what is more important for HC. Most FCS teams play the FBS for a pay check. Not sure anyone would agree to it, but thought of the idea of a 2-1. You'd be giving up two payday games for one home game with 2-3k UMass fans and maybe a bit more because of the two local teams. I just don't know but like Fitton and the horseshoe design, thou parking is tight there and no real tailgating area for visitors. Have always liked HC and was there once for BB as well when you beat St Joes at the end. Take Care. As long as UMASS is FBS, the only places we would play each other outside of Amherst would be Fenway or Gillette. No FBS team wants to play its FCS game on the road. If you get one FCS game to count as one of your six "bowl wins", why play it on the road and increase the degree of difficulty? And money-wise, the FCS schools benefit on our end from the guarantee check. In the last 15 years there are probably no more than three instances of an FBS playing on the road against an FCS. Idaho played at Montana at least once in 2002 or so. Yale hosted Army in 2014. West Virginia actually played a neutral site game at FedEx against JMU a couple years ago. Can't think of any more.
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Post by steve81 on Jun 3, 2018 21:05:36 GMT -5
In the past we were doing 1-1 as FCS but doubt any FBS team schedules FCS straight up. Not sure what is more important for HC. Most FCS teams play the FBS for a pay check. Not sure anyone would agree to it, but thought of the idea of a 2-1. You'd be giving up two payday games for one home game with 2-3k UMass fans and maybe a bit more because of the two local teams. I just don't know but like Fitton and the horseshoe design, thou parking is tight there and no real tailgating area for visitors. Have always liked HC and was there once for BB as well when you beat St Joes at the end. Take Care. As long as UMASS is FBS, the only places we would play each other outside of Amherst would be Fenway or Gillette. No FBS team wants to play its FCS game on the road. If you get one FCS game to count as one of your six "bowl wins", why play it on the road and increase the degree of difficulty? And money-wise, the FCS schools benefit on our end from the guarantee check. In the last 15 years there are probably no more than three instances of an FBS playing on the road against an FCS. Idaho played at Montana at least once in 2002 or so. Yale hosted Army in 2014. West Virginia actually played a neutral site game at FedEx against JMU a couple years ago. Can't think of any more. Ya, was thinking it would be good for regional football and football in general. With two local teams, perhaps the local and Boston media would pay attention and cover college football.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 4, 2018 12:28:00 GMT -5
I'd like to see an annual matchup with UMass as part of our efforts to rebuild our football program. If UMass played football in the CAA (as I believe they ought to), that would be practical. (The Fordham v Stony Brook upcoming four-game series is one that'll prove mutually beneficial in the same way HC v UMass would be. For now, HC v UNH is filling that role.)
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 4, 2018 13:12:31 GMT -5
The Montana Grizzlies are FCS. Who can forget their FCS Championship game against Villanova in a blizzard in the snow?
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Post by timholycross on Jun 4, 2018 14:45:23 GMT -5
The Montana Grizzlies are FCS. Who can forget their FCS Championship game against Villanova in a blizzard in the snow? ...and Idaho was not. Now they are again, I believe.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 4, 2018 17:03:31 GMT -5
The Montana Grizzlies are FCS. Who can forget their FCS Championship game against Villanova in a blizzard in the snow? ...and Idaho was not. Now they are again, I believe. Starting this fall back in FCS. Since the reclassification of the Ivies, they are the first program to make the move DOWN from FBS. They are back in the Big Sky, which they had already moved back into for other sports a couple years ago. I actually did not recall Villanova beating Montana in a Snowstorm in Chatty. I do remember Montana beating App State the week prior in a blizzard up there.
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Post by jkh67 on Jun 5, 2018 8:00:02 GMT -5
As long as UMASS is FBS, the only places we would play each other outside of Amherst would be Fenway or Gillette. No FBS team wants to play its FCS game on the road. If you get one FCS game to count as one of your six "bowl wins", why play it on the road and increase the degree of difficulty? And money-wise, the FCS schools benefit on our end from the guarantee check. In the last 15 years there are probably no more than three instances of an FBS playing on the road against an FCS. Idaho played at Montana at least once in 2002 or so. Yale hosted Army in 2014. West Virginia actually played a neutral site game at FedEx against JMU a couple years ago. Can't think of any more. I was at that 2014 Yale-Army game. courtesy of two former Yale football player friends of my son-in-law who got us premium seating. Army brought a bunch of cadets to the game and they marched into the Bowl in formation. The purpose was to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Yale Bowl and the program featured pictures of Yale-Army games there from the '20s. My son-in-law's friends said Yale had paid certain costs associated with Army's appearance. And, oh yes, Yale won the game in OT behind a QB who (if memory serves) was a transfer from Clemson.
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Post by steve81 on Jun 5, 2018 10:34:14 GMT -5
It was pointed out that as an independent, it's hard to get 6 home games scheduled, so giving up one to a FCS team is not in the cards.
Best wishes and the IPF is impressive, it should help with recruiting.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 5, 2018 13:20:32 GMT -5
I was at that 2014 Yale-Army game. courtesy of two former Yale football player friends of my son-in-law who got us premium seating. Army brought a bunch of cadets to the game and they marched into the Bowl in formation. The purpose was to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Yale Bowl and the program featured pictures of Yale-Army games there from the '20s. My son-in-law's friends said Yale had paid certain costs associated with Army's appearance. And, oh yes, Yale won the game in OT behind a QB who (if memory serves) was a transfer from Clemson. By premium seating, do you mean luxury box? Outside of that, the Yale Bowl is basically "one size fits" all when it comes to seating.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 5, 2018 13:37:40 GMT -5
IMHO the purple filter effect is strongest on this board when looking at recruits. If, at the end of three years, we are dominating all of the PL teams then we will know we are moving towards our goal. Oh, I see the scenario that's unfolding that everyone's talking about: " And our path to our goal (a nationally competitive FCS program) starts with dominating our PL competition. " " Give me 3 years and we'll be ready " " So maybe three years from now once the PL games are no longer challenging? " " Once those mountains have been climbed, decide whether to try for CAA membership...about as high as we can realistically hope to go." PAST 7 years, Season, ( PL )2012 2-9 ( 2-4 ) 2013 3-9 ( 1-5 ) 2014 4-8 ( 2-4 ) 2015 6-5 ( 3-3 ) 2016 4-7 ( 2-4 ) 2017 4-7 (3-3 ) Next 3 years, Season, ( PL ) 2018 4-7 ( 4-2 ) 2019 5-6 ( 5-1 ) 2020 6-5 ( 6-0 ) Dominating the PL/Wrapping up CAA Conf Bid, Season, ( PL ) 2021 6-5 ( 6-0 ) 2022 6-5 ( 6-0 ) 2023 6-5 ( 6-0 ) 2024 6-5 ( 6-0 ) 2025 6-5 ( 6-0 ) 2026 6-5 ( 6-0 ) 2027 6-5 ( 6-0 ) This assumes the CAA, as it is presently constituted, exists in 2027. A lot can change in 9 years.
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Post by jkh67 on Jun 5, 2018 19:17:17 GMT -5
I was at that 2014 Yale-Army game. courtesy of two former Yale football player friends of my son-in-law who got us premium seating. Army brought a bunch of cadets to the game and they marched into the Bowl in formation. The purpose was to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Yale Bowl and the program featured pictures of Yale-Army games there from the '20s. My son-in-law's friends said Yale had paid certain costs associated with Army's appearance. And, oh yes, Yale won the game in OT behind a QB who (if memory serves) was a transfer from Clemson. By premium seating, do you mean luxury box? Outside of that, the Yale Bowl is basically "one size fits" all when it comes to seating. "Luxury box" may be a tad much. What we got was seating in the shade under the press box. Shade: a rare thing in the Yale Bowl on a very sunny day...and much appreciated by this fair-skinned Irishman who had suffered more than once in the unsheltered visitor's stand in earlier years. And...mirabile dictu!...free beer, wine, mixed drinks and snacks. I didn't think the NCAA allowed that, but there you have it. Great fun, I must say!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2018 18:02:38 GMT -5
By premium seating, do you mean luxury box? Outside of that, the Yale Bowl is basically "one size fits" all when it comes to seating. "Luxury box" may be a tad much. What we got was seating in the shade under the press box. Shade: a rare thing in the Yale Bowl on a very sunny day...and much appreciated by this fair-skinned Irishman who had suffered more than once in the unsheltered visitor's stand in earlier years. And...mirabile dictu !...free beer, wine, mixed drinks and snacks. I didn't think the NCAA allowed that, but there you have it. Great fun, I must say! It's funny. I always thought that the NCAA didn't allow alcohol at on-campus sports venues. First time I remember seeing beer at a college game was our DCU game my freshman year. And two years later I went to an LSU v. University of New Orleans baseball game where beer was sold, which was the first time I realized alcohol was allowed at on-campus NCAA events.
I don't understand why more schools wouldn't push beer & wine at games to get students in (21+ of course). With all the talk about how kids don't go to games any more, seems to me this would be a more obvious solution to that issue.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 7, 2018 9:01:18 GMT -5
It's NCAA tournament events that ban alcohol sales. For example, when the hoop tournament was at the Providence Civic Center (now the Dunk), it was dry and I was used to grabbing a beer when I went to games there.
Once suffered through a doubleheader there on St. Patrick's Day...even worse (for him) was I was with a 100% Irish ND Grad (ND was part of the doubleheader).
BU definitely sold beer at Nickerson when they had a football team; believe they sell it at Agganis too.
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Post by rickii on Jun 7, 2018 10:22:55 GMT -5
Wake started selling beer at home football games 3-4 years ago in a designated area behind 1 endzone.
Believe BC sells beer at Alumni Stadium now too....at least at the concessions on the visitor side.
Didn't see beer at ND when there 2 years ago but really wasn't looking for it so maybe they do.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 7, 2018 20:59:13 GMT -5
Wake started selling beer at home football games 3-4 years ago in a designated area behind 1 endzone. Believe BC sells beer at Alumni Stadium now too....at least at the concessions on the visitor side. Didn't see beer at ND when there 2 years ago but really wasn't looking for it so maybe they do. No beer sold at Notre Dame Stadium.
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Post by inhocsigno on Jun 7, 2018 21:01:32 GMT -5
IF BC sells beer, I am going to be a pretty happy come September when HC upsets the beagles in Alumni Stadium.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 7, 2018 21:02:10 GMT -5
Wake started selling beer at home football games 3-4 years ago in a designated area behind 1 endzone. Believe BC sells beer at Alumni Stadium now too....at least at the concessions on the visitor side. Didn't see beer at ND when there 2 years ago but really wasn't looking for it so maybe they do. No beer sold at Notre Dame Stadium. Prohibition prevails in South Bend.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 7, 2018 21:09:02 GMT -5
Beer isn't needed to help get asses in the seats in South Bend.
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