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Post by Tom on Jun 8, 2018 10:05:59 GMT -5
I think this whole thing is being relaxed somewhat. BU is a funny situation because they don't have a well defined campus to say that Agganis is on or off campus.
For years you couldn't get a beer on any on-campus venue except the Carrier Dome. Now it's popping up everywhere. Heck, they sell beer at Hart in the Ryan room. I thought they got away with it because it was only for some special donors or something, but anyone can walk in
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Post by joutsHC77 on Jun 8, 2018 10:14:00 GMT -5
Beer isn't needed to help get asses in the seats in South Bend. Productive and winning teams helps!
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 8, 2018 10:21:47 GMT -5
No beer sold at Notre Dame Stadium. Prohibition prevails in South Bend. Anyone talked to folks who have been to a Notre Dame football game in the last few years about how ND and South Bend have cracked down? My friend said he was at a game and watched a college student get arrested for drinking a beer underage in the presence of their parents.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 8, 2018 10:34:15 GMT -5
Tom, Tom, Tom . . . . you are special! (Either that or you walked in with someone "special.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 21, 2018 10:38:20 GMT -5
We Should play Dartmouth every season
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Post by breezy on Jun 21, 2018 10:56:11 GMT -5
Pure speculation on my part --
With 6 PL games every season, there is only room for 5 OOC games.
The future schedules (2019 through 2021) include at least 1 FBS game each year (2 in 2019).
The future schedules include games against Harvard and Yale each year. (I believe these are scheduling commitments that conclude in 2021, but may be extended.)
In addition, there is a home-and-home series with Brown (2019 & 2020) and Central Connecticut (2020 & 2021).
There is a game at Monmouth in 2021 (presumably, the beginning of a home-and-home series that will continue in 2022).
I think it is most likely that a home-and-home series with Dartmouth will return to the schedules after 2021. There's nothing wrong with some variety in scheduling as opposed to playing the same teams every year. I do agree that Dartmouth is a good opponent and I hope the series does resume -- possibly as early as 2022.
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 21, 2018 11:24:11 GMT -5
So CCSU instead of Dartmouth?
crazy
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Post by hc87 on Jun 21, 2018 11:46:26 GMT -5
So CCSU instead of Dartmouth? crazy Not entirely sure it was our doing. The Ivies have been rather skittish in their overall scheduling lately....playing more NEC and Pioneer schools than CAA or PL schools. Yale has been about the only Ivy to go out and play some interesting/challenging OOC games this decade. Agree though with our playing Dartmouth consistently....a case could be made that they our most historic football rival (at the FCS level).
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 21, 2018 12:06:50 GMT -5
According to the Big Green Alert, Dartmouth decided they wanted to change their traditional schedule of playing UNH, HC and Colgate as their three OOC games every year. This year they are playing HC, Sacred Heart and Georgetown. In 2017 they played Stetson. In 2013 they played Butler.
HC this year is playing three Ivy teams, Dartmouth, Harvard and Yale. The only other Patriot League team playing three Ivies is Georgetown, playing Dartmouth, Brown and Columbia.
Lafayette is not playing an Ivy team in 2018.
The original plan set forth of interlocking schedules is now over. They are now playing NEC and Pioneer instead of Patriot League teams. This year Sacred Heart is playing Dartmouth, Cornell and Penn. The landscape of FCS scheduling has changed.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 21, 2018 12:30:07 GMT -5
I will miss the trip to Hanover (hope it's restored at some point), the return trip to Worcester by the Big Green, not so much. Unless something's changed the last year or two, they don't follow their team very well.
Same with the Brownies. The number of people that drive 40 miles to see them play is embarrassing.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 21, 2018 12:42:52 GMT -5
Well, yeah. Once the Patriot League re-instituted athletic scholarships, how could the Ivies compete? They are just trying to play at a competitive level.
You simply don't understand that in Rhode Island, 20 miles away is a looooong drive. 40 miles?! Might as well be driving to California.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 21, 2018 12:59:14 GMT -5
The last two games I went to HC at Brown, attendance was brutal. I remembah (I think ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ) pretty decent crowds there for that game in the 70s and 80s.
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Post by trimster on Jun 21, 2018 13:05:17 GMT -5
Sader70, I assume your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek regarding the ability of the Ivies to compete with PL schools and their free rides for football. I saw a quip online that the joke is there is a 37 billion dollar hedge fund in Cambridge, MA that has a university attached to it. I think it's common knowledge that some time ago, HYP loosened the purse strings regarding financial aid to student athletes. Of course it doesn't hurt that the average endowment of those 3 universities is close to 30 billion dollars.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 21, 2018 13:44:30 GMT -5
Ivy Scheduling Breakdown for 2018 according to the Big Green Alert biggreenalertblog.blogspot.comOf note, of Dartmouth’s non conference opponents, HC has the toughest schedule this year. The landscape of Ivy scheduling has changed to include the Big Sky, NEC, CAA, Big South and Southern conferences. Good for national exposure, which they sorely need. 🙄
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 21, 2018 15:32:27 GMT -5
trimster, yes, tongue in cheek.😋
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Post by timholycross on Jun 21, 2018 15:40:25 GMT -5
Ivy Scheduling Breakdown for 2018 according to the Big Green Alert biggreenalertblog.blogspot.comOf note, of Dartmouth’s non conference opponents, HC has the toughest schedule this year. The landscape of Ivy scheduling has changed to include the Big Sky, NEC, CAA, Big South and Southern conferences. Good for national exposure, which they sorely need. 🙄 Like any other school, good for alumni schmoozing if they make a football trip to different parts of the country once in a while...certainly accounts for a couple of those trips.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 21, 2018 19:44:32 GMT -5
The last two games I went to HC at Brown, attendance was brutal. I remembah (I think ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ) pretty decent crowds there for that game in the 70s and 80s. To be somewhat fair, our recent series with them was played Columbus Day year after year. Never a good FCS attendance weekend in the Northeast.
The HC-Brown mini-rivalry was actually a lot of fun from 2006-2011 or whenever it ended. Every game seemed to come down to the wire and most involved a second half comeback of some kind, with tons of passing and scoring. HC, Brown and Ivy records for passing fell in several of these games.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 21, 2018 19:54:43 GMT -5
Pure speculation on my part -- With 6 PL games every season, there is only room for 5 OOC games.The future schedules (2019 through 2021) include at least 1 FBS game each year (2 in 2019). The future schedules include games against Harvard and Yale each year. (I believe these are scheduling commitments that conclude in 2021, but may be extended.) In addition, there is a home-and-home series with Brown (2019 & 2020) and Central Connecticut (2020 & 2021). There is a game at Monmouth in 2021 (presumably, the beginning of a home-and-home series that will continue in 2022).
I think it is most likely that a home-and-home series with Dartmouth will return to the schedules after 2021. There's nothing wrong with some variety in scheduling as opposed to playing the same teams every year. I do agree that Dartmouth is a good opponent and I hope the series does resume -- possibly as early as 2022. "ONLY" 5 OOC games - one perk of being a PL member is the flexibility of the schedule. Most conferences play 8 league games, leaving only 3 open dates. In years where we are able to and choose to play 12 games, we get SIX non-conference games (half the season!!).
The Monmouth game in 2021 should be a return game from last year. We played them in Worcester under the lights in 2013 (Pujals first appearance), on the road to open the 2015 campaign, and then again last year at home. By my math, we owe them a game and that should be it unless another series is booked.
With regard to the New England Ivies, I HOPE Harvard remains as an annual never-ending series. In all likelihood, Dartmouth, Brown and Yale will be played on a semi-rotational basis where we play 2 of the 3 every year.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 22, 2018 6:58:27 GMT -5
Sader70, I assume your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek regarding the ability of the Ivies to compete with PL schools and their free rides for football. I saw a quip online that the joke is there is a 37 billion dollar hedge fund in Cambridge, MA that has a university attached to it. I think it's common knowledge that some time ago, HYP loosened the purse strings regarding financial aid to student athletes. Of course it doesn't hurt that the average endowment of those 3 universities is close to 30 billion dollars. Agreed, but one could accurately write HYP loosened the purse strings regarding financial aid to students. It seems that at this point any middle class or below student (including athletes) can attend virtually cost-free. And upper middle class students (however defined) can also receive very generous and loan-free financial aid. One effect has to boost HYP performance in an enormous range of sports, including, but not at all limited to, football. (And yes, Sader70 is kidding)
As @crucis#1 notes, Ivy scheduling has shifted a bit and this accounts for fewer PL-Ivy matchups.
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Post by trimster on Jun 22, 2018 8:49:27 GMT -5
Isn't it ironic that 30+ years after the PL was formed as Ivy-Lite, HC now grants more athletic scholarships than it ever has, (l know Title 9 has an impact), and on the Ivy-PL inter-conference football scheduling front, only HC has 3 games against Ivy foes this fall. I believe some PL schools don't have one Ivy on the schedule this fall.
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Post by trimster on Jun 22, 2018 9:01:13 GMT -5
Georgetown is also playing 3 IL schools. Fordham and Lafayette aren't playing any, Lehigh plays two, Colgate and Bucknell play one, for a total of ten PL vs IL match ups.
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Post by jkh67 on Jun 23, 2018 11:57:41 GMT -5
The five schools we've by far and away played the most (and the year we started playing each) are: BC - 82 (1896); Dartmouth - 79 (1903); Colgate- 79 (1917); Harvard - 69 (1904); and Brown - 62 (1898).
I heartily agree that getting the Big Green back on the schedule would be a real plus, but I accept that it takes two to tango and Dartmouth may no longer have much interest in playing us. Colgate is a different matter. Given the long football history between the two schools, I never understood why we did not replace BC with the (Red) Raiders as our season ending rivalry game...especially after the PL was formed. I know Fordham is a Jesuit school, but still... Perhaps Colgate wasn't interested.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 23, 2018 15:31:39 GMT -5
That has been of the bigger problems (from a fan's perspective anyway) with the PL... i.e. no natural rivalries (Turnpike Trophy excepted of course ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ). When we played BC, UMass, PC etc regularly in either football or hoop there was a lot of crossovah appeal...you really don't get that with football games against Lehigh or Colgate or hoop tilts versus Bucknell or American.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2018 8:22:31 GMT -5
To the extent rivalries exist nowadays, Fordham's one that probably could have developed a bit more if they played PL basketball. Under three hours away with similar reputation, Jesuits, student body, and sports philosophy. Ingredients for a natural rivalry. (Of course there are also differences as there always are between schools).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 24, 2018 9:17:46 GMT -5
Georgetown is also playing 3 IL schools. Fordham and Lafayette aren't playing any, Lehigh plays two, Colgate and Bucknell play one, for a total of ten PL vs IL match ups. Not sure it will help, as Georgetown is not favored to win any of them. Hoyas may be down to one IL game after 2019 as the Dartmouth and Brown series were not renewed, presumably by the Ivy schools.
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