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Post by HC92 on Jun 5, 2018 6:00:43 GMT -5
Anyone know what this tweet from Scott James means?
Scott James
@coachscottjames
Just. So. Much. Purple 👀
FIVE days until #Chicagoland
@hcrossfb joins @nufbfamily
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Post by breezy on Jun 5, 2018 6:33:32 GMT -5
Strictly a guess. One or more members of the HC football staff will participate in a prospect camp at Northwestern???
Just checked the Northwestern football web page. Apparently Northwestern has several camps scheduled this coming weekend.
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 5, 2018 10:24:33 GMT -5
This should have been on the top of desired FBS opponents for the last 40 years
UNH has played them: I believe twice....and won
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 5, 2018 20:07:17 GMT -5
More likely our staff is going out to visit with theirs and compare notes. Happens all the time at that level.
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Post by dogproud on Jun 5, 2018 21:08:46 GMT -5
Schools invite coaches from smaller schools with similar traits to their camps. It brings more recruits in at different levels (more$$) and the other coaches help run the camp. So Northwestern will invite Holy Cross, but not Duke or Vanderbilt - who would be fighting for the same level kids.
In the same light, if you attend the Holy Cross camps this June and July, you will see coaches from Union, Bates, Colby, RPI, Tufts - but not Lehigh or Columbia. There may be 150 kids at the camp. HC already knows the 20 they want to see. There may be a surprise in there. Maybe another 20 who are not quite HC material but a strong DIII level player who get exposure. The other 100+ are just living the dream....
Not to mention the coaches use these camps to network and impress - its a small world.
We know a previous linebacker from the west coast who was picked out at the Stanford camp a few years back by the Holy Cross DC who was working the camp.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 5, 2018 21:49:49 GMT -5
Nice explanation dogproud
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Post by 78purple on Jun 5, 2018 22:05:26 GMT -5
This should have been on the top of desired FBS opponents for the last 40 years UNH has played them: I believe twice....and won Correct.....Why the Northwesterns, William and Marys, Richmonds, and Rices are not on our radar is a mystery to me.... |
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Post by 78purple on Jun 5, 2018 22:07:17 GMT -5
Nice explanation dogproud Agreed.... |
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2018 6:03:20 GMT -5
This should have been on the top of desired FBS opponents for the last 40 years UNH has played them: I believe twice....and won Correct.....Why the Northwesterns, William and Marys, Richmonds, and Rices are not on our radar is a mystery to me.... They determine who plays them. Why should they want to play us? |
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2018 6:27:40 GMT -5
This should have been on the top of desired FBS opponents for the last 40 years UNH has played them: I believe twice....and won Correct.....Why the Northwesterns, William and Marys, Richmonds, and Rices are not on our radar is a mystery to me.... You are mixing apples and oranges here. North Western and Rice are both FBS games that are scheduled years in advance and have a potential and significant Payback. While it would cost quite a bit of money to get our football team to Chicago or Houston , the guarantee would atill net HC hundreds of thousands of dollars. I would not be surprised if either or both of these teams and up on her schedule at some point in the next decade. William & Mary and Richmond are both FCS schools that would not pay any kind of guarantee for us to come and play them. We are already playing UNH, a football program that has been at the same or an even higher level than both of those programs over the last 10 years. A far more logical rival than shlepping to VA for a game. |
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Post by cmo on Jun 6, 2018 7:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2018 7:13:29 GMT -5
Northwestern and Rice have many schools they could play that would probably be more attractive to them than Holy Cross, like UNH, for example.
The only way they would pay for a Holy Cross team to go and play them is if they were doing someone a favor. Again, as an example, Northwestern might want to play Holy Cross to thank (even though they fired him) Coach Carmody in basketball but we have no connection in football that I am aware of.
Look, we have plenty of D-IA schools on the schedule now and they are both closer and have past connections and presumably more interest. They all make more sense than Northwestern or Rice. It is an athletic contest, not an academic one.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 6, 2018 7:54:11 GMT -5
But if the strategy is to use athletics in general and football specifically to generate some exposure for the Holy Cross in areas unfamiliar with the college, distance should not be an issue. In fact, greater distance would support that strategy.
And Northwestern makes additional sense as HC has drawn students from the Chicago area for a long time.
Of course, there's a balance between getting the name out there in parts unknown and generating a critical mass of alumni interest (BC, UConn, Army, Navy, Syracuse, etc.) in the northeast so alternate the schedule - one year northeast, one year in the south, west, or midwest.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 6, 2018 8:08:37 GMT -5
Northwestern and Rice have many schools they could play that would probably be more attractive to them than Holy Cross, like UNH, for example. The only way they would pay for a Holy Cross team to go and play them is if they were doing someone a favor. Again, as an example, Northwestern might want to play Holy Cross to thank (even though they fired him) Coach Carmody in basketball but we have no connection in football that I am aware of. Look, we have plenty of D-IA schools on the schedule now and they are both closer and have past connections and presumably more interest. They all make more sense than Northwestern or Rice. It is an athletic contest, not an academic one. Agreed. At this point PL competition gives us plenty of difficulty and regional schools like UNH, URI, and Maine best fit the bill for our challenging OOC CAA competition. One regional FCS (BC, UConn, Army, etc.) and one NEC (Central Connecticut, etc.) is about all we have room for on top of that. While national exposure (beyond NE, PA, NY/NJ and VA) is not a bad idea, IMHO there may be very little bang for the buck in venturing further afield looking for FBS competition.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 6, 2018 8:27:27 GMT -5
Rice is not an example of an fbs school that's paying guarantees to fcs schools (Northwestern could if they chose to but not on a big scale)
Rice plays in a lousy league and (I know first hand) they draw poorly in Houston. Just too many power teams with much better products not more than 2 hours from Houston (including the Univ of Houston right there).
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2018 12:28:07 GMT -5
Rice is not an example of an fbs school that's paying guarantees to fcs schools (Northwestern could if they chose to but not on a big scale) Rice plays in a lousy league and (I know first hand) they draw poorly in Houston. Just too many power teams with much better products not more than 2 hours from Houston (including the Univ of Houston right there). All of those BCS schools pay guarantees it's just a question of how much. The range could be as low as $75,000 up to a million plus. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 6, 2018 14:22:27 GMT -5
The point I was making is that Rice is not an fbs opponent that would pay us nearly enough. they averaged 19000 home attendance last season (and those numbers are inflated). C-USA is a league full of teams losing millions on football.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 6, 2018 15:33:00 GMT -5
No doubt virtually every college team loses $$$ on football as programs bid up coaches salaries and spend more and more on player lounges and facilities. Rice pays its head coach $772,000 per year while up the highway SMU also draws 19,000 per game but pays its coach $2.1MM. Presumably assistant coaches salaries are higher at SMU than at Rice as well. I think haze is spot on in suggesting Rice, a wealthy school otherwise, wouldn't be writing big checks
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Post by 6sader7 on Jun 6, 2018 16:59:58 GMT -5
I've mentioned Rice and NW in the past as well.
I think Temple could be a good game for us too.
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Post by beaven302 on Jul 1, 2018 12:33:47 GMT -5
Correct.....Why the Northwesterns, William and Marys, Richmonds, and Rices are not on our radar is a mystery to me.... You are mixing apples and oranges here. North Western and Rice are both FBS games that are scheduled years in advance and have a potential and significant Payback. While it would cost quite a bit of money to get our football team to Chicago or Houston , the guarantee would atill net HC hundreds of thousands of dollars. I would not be surprised if either or both of these teams and up on her schedule at some point in the next decade. William & Mary and Richmond are both FCS schools that would not pay any kind of guarantee for us to come and play them. We are already playing UNH, a football program that has been at the same or an even higher level than both of those programs over the last 10 years. A far more logical rival than shlepping to VA for a game. Years in advance is right. Northwestern recently announced future non-conference opponents: Tulane 2020, Rice 2031, and South Dakota State 2026. As for those who see the Wildcats as a possible FBS upset win for HC, they ought to look elsewhere. These days, NU gets mostly three-star recruits with a few four stars. It also just picked up a five-star transfer quarterback. In addition, its recruiting prospects are likely to get a boost from the just-opened new $260 million lakeside athletic facility. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 2, 2018 22:25:41 GMT -5
Rice is not an example of an fbs school that's paying guarantees to fcs schools (Northwestern could if they chose to but not on a big scale) Rice plays in a lousy league and (I know first hand) they draw poorly in Houston. Just too many power teams with much better products not more than 2 hours from Houston (including the Univ of Houston right there). Rice's football history parallels the football and basketball lore of Holy Cross in many ways. While we were a national power in hoops and a strong Eastern program at the highest level of football at one point, they have their share of major bowl games and signature wins against schools that are still national powers today. We used to be rivals with New England powers BC and Providence, They have rivalries going back a century up until 1995 with Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU and SMU. I'm sure they have an indianhoop equivalent out there somewhere between Galveston and Corpus Christi: " We coulda' been in the Big TWELVE!! I considah myself in the denial stage of following Owl spawts. Nobody caheeesss about cawlidge baseball!" |
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 3, 2018 5:18:36 GMT -5
If your analogy is a Rice Indianhoop, shouldn’t the complaint have a Southern drawl rather than the Bah-ston accent? I admit I would have no idea how to capture that in writing 😂
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 3, 2018 6:13:33 GMT -5
We coulda been in the Big 12, y’all.  |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 3, 2018 8:08:31 GMT -5
If your analogy is a Rice Indianhoop, shouldn’t the complaint have a Southern drawl rather than the Bah-ston accent? I admit I would have no idea how to capture that in writing 😂 The Texas accent is pretty easy to mock--just remember that the sounds we pronounce as "EYE", Texans often pronounce as "AH" or "AY", and vice-versa. So, a Texan would say "that dog has a long tile" or "that gal is fahn looking" . As well, the accent often goes on the wrong syllable, e.g. "I need to buy some INsurance" . Texans are also always ready to "hep" people when they need assistance. |
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Post by timholycross on Jul 3, 2018 9:18:51 GMT -5
Rice hosted a Super Bowl (probably because they could get more than 70K in there at one point and the Astrodome only held around 50K). The Oilers played there 2 or 3 years in the 60s as well. They have no cache football-wise (their last major bowl game was in 1960, which is at this point equivalent to HCs game in 1946, I'd say); if the SWC still existed they would be at the rock bottom of it.
There are plenty of opponents and/or destinations considerably better than Rice on a number of levels.
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