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Post by bigfan on Jun 13, 2018 13:30:42 GMT -5
Time to notify AD Pine that the schedule needs to be upgraded. No more UNH, Sacred Heart, Maine etc.
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Post by Tom on Jun 13, 2018 13:31:48 GMT -5
You get what you've earned. HC competes in an irrelevant conference and is mediocre to boot. 97 million bucks into the LAC and you can't even get a decent hot dog at a basketball game, are still sitting on bleachers, and not enjoying a video board. Give me a break. Day to day students seem to be almost always on vacation during poorly scheduled home games and are totally apathetic when they do come (except football team). Home games are all against crappy opponents except maybe Harvard. 1-2k? We're lucky to get the crowds we get. If we want crowds, the DCU should be HC's home court within the BE basketball conference. Period. Anything else is a non-starter. Low major D1 is worse than high level D3 as far as I'm concerned. I take it you haven't been to a high level D-III game in a while
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2018 13:45:22 GMT -5
Time to notify AD Pine that the schedule needs to be upgraded. No more UNH, Sacred Heart, Maine etc. It is my understanding that in Men's Basketball, the head coach is responsible for scheduling, not the AD. From what I have been told, Pine IS in charge of football scheduling.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2018 13:56:05 GMT -5
You get what you've earned. HC competes in an irrelevant conference and is mediocre to boot. 97 million bucks into the LAC and you can't even get a decent hot dog at a basketball game, are still sitting on bleachers, and not enjoying a video board. Give me a break. Day to day students seem to be almost always on vacation during poorly scheduled home games and are totally apathetic when they do come (except football team). Home games are all against crappy opponents except maybe Harvard. 1-2k? We're lucky to get the crowds we get. If we want crowds, the DCU should be HC's home court within the BE basketball conference. Period. Anything else is a non-starter. Low major D1 is worse than high level D3 as far as I'm concerned. This is the biggest problem. The flash mob bookstore is nice but even DECENT concessions would be a big upgrade. I'm sure we're not the only ones tired of having to choose between a boiled hot dog, "nachos" consisting of just tortilla chips and cheese, and of course the mushy microwave pizza. We don't need Shake Shack or Wahlburger's but at least somewhere where you can order a steak & cheese, burger, sausage, REAL hot dog or maybe nachos that could potentially include all or some of the following: salsa, ground beef, jalapenos. As of now the best bet for food is to get to campus early and pay to eat in Kimball. Crossroads never open before weekend games, only after. Since the NCAA doesn't hamstring us from selling beer at campus athletic sites, can we look into this? Would the cost of obtaining a Massachusetts liquor license for the Hart Center footprint be worth it in profit (while I work in the alcohol industry in NY, I am not much versed in the obstacles of obtaining a license in MA or what the associated costs would be)?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 13, 2018 14:19:25 GMT -5
Time to notify AD Pine that the schedule needs to be upgraded. No more UNH, Sacred Heart, Maine etc. How about you "notify" him yourself on your thoughts: npine@holycross.edu
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 13, 2018 17:34:44 GMT -5
That 2nd floor corner overlooking the front entrance is just dying to be put to good use (at least I thought it open and empty the last time I noticed). Get that guy Jay and his chili and burgers stand.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 13, 2018 17:37:52 GMT -5
Hmmmmm.....for the sweet tooth types, wondering if a new local donut shop might be interested in selling some wares up there. Hint: there's a Crossports/HC connection here. Hope he won't be mad. www.facebook.com/roccodoughnutco/
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 13, 2018 18:30:21 GMT -5
FWIW HC dining is the monkey wrench in getting better concessions at the Hart, not the athletic dept. The athletic dept actually wants to do a number of things, but is hamstrung by Dining, for the moment.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 13, 2018 18:44:14 GMT -5
Hmmmmm.....for the sweet tooth types, wondering if a new local donut shop might be interested in selling some wares up there. Hint: there's a Crossports/HC connection here. Hope he won't be mad. www.facebook.com/roccodoughnutco/The doughnut was invented in New England (in Maine to be specific) and I believe that New England still has the second highest per capita consumption of doughnuts in the world. Rocco's might do well indeed
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Post by joe on Jun 14, 2018 7:02:32 GMT -5
If you're looking to attract millenials to a college basketball game, doughnuts ain't getting it done. Maybe for the 65+ crowd who actually still eat them. Sure, maybe a great cup of hot or iced coffee from Green Mountain or even a DD kiosk in the front lobby would be nice for all age groups, but good luck with that. It's an entirely different demographic these days, and it takes something very interesting to pull these kids off of their devices. These are minor details in a grand picture, but when you constantly come up with excuses for not getting even these little details right, it gives the impression that "no one is minding the shop." Even as far as the choice of swag and the manner in which it is sold smells of JV - too much uncomfortable ill-fitting athletic work-out gear. My interest is waning, and may have waned completely if the Carmody tenure ends up being a flop. We're just not good at closing the deal at HC. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. If I was financially independent, I'd volunteer as an unpaid intern to the athletic department and literally get in people's ears from 9-5 about this crap. Letters and emails have been sent ad nauseum.
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Post by trimster on Jun 14, 2018 8:04:00 GMT -5
To a point. As others have pointed out, times have changed, the arena the school has chosen to compete in has changed, options for our time and interests have exploded, etc.
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Post by joe on Jun 14, 2018 8:06:45 GMT -5
Build a winning program and they will come!
I'm starting to doubt even this basic philosophy. I think winning in the PL will lead to a bump in attendance, but frankly once the thrill wears off, I'm not sure it is sustainable without a conference upgrade and vigorous re-engagement of the Worcester community. We don't have enough students to reliably fill the Hart Center, if they are on whom we are relying.
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Post by lou on Jun 14, 2018 8:10:33 GMT -5
FWIW HC dining is the monkey wrench in getting better concessions at the Hart, not the athletic dept. The athletic dept actually wants to do a number of things, but is hamstrung by Dining, for the moment. Can you elaborate? Pine reports to the President so he must have a lot of influence. Why does "Dining" not do a better job at games?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 14, 2018 8:53:31 GMT -5
FWIW HC dining is the monkey wrench in getting better concessions at the Hart, not the athletic dept. The athletic dept actually wants to do a number of things, but is hamstrung by Dining, for the moment. Can you elaborate? Pine reports to the President so he must have a lot of influence. Why does "Dining" not do a better job at games? HC has a number of campus-wide contracts and relations with vendors that cannot, or will not be broken. There are outside vendors who want in at the Hart, but are boxed out by current arrangements. This may change.
Similar situation is with the bookstore, which sells mostly tired and outdated swag compared to the athletics storefront. This is why you see very little (if any) Adidas swag in the bookstore: they don't want to disrupt comfortable relationships with their current vendors.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 14, 2018 9:01:25 GMT -5
I was agreeing with you up to this point. Bookstore, if they really selling only tired and outdated stuff, would still be selling things with the Crusader logo. You know, for old guys like me.
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Post by joe on Jun 14, 2018 10:27:59 GMT -5
Ill fitting crap. 20 years ago you could buy a size 8 beautiful fitted wool baseball hat and a V-neck cotton sweatshirt with an embroidered HC that actually fit like a college sweatshirt should fit, loose and comfy. I lost the hat but my wife and kids still wear my old stuff to this day.
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Post by Tom on Jun 14, 2018 10:32:52 GMT -5
FWIW HC dining is the monkey wrench in getting better concessions at the Hart, not the athletic dept. The athletic dept actually wants to do a number of things, but is hamstrung by Dining, for the moment. There is an outside guy doing burgers and such in the open end at football games. It's a monkey wrench but a workable one
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 14, 2018 10:46:03 GMT -5
FWIW HC dining is the monkey wrench in getting better concessions at the Hart, not the athletic dept. The athletic dept actually wants to do a number of things, but is hamstrung by Dining, for the moment. There is an outside guy doing burgers and such in the open end at football games. It's a monkey wrench but a workable one That's Creedon & Co., who owns the Bravehearts, and also is a partner of Crusader Sports Properties (athletic programs sponsor). They are the vendor (I'm near certain) for all the concessions in and around Fitton.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 14, 2018 11:43:23 GMT -5
Sell beer, per game attendance will increase 100%
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Post by joe on Jun 14, 2018 12:58:45 GMT -5
Sell beer, per game attendance will increase 100% I actually tend to agree with this as well. It needs to be an event. Worcester folks like a coupe of cold ones like any salty, blue collar city. The Hart Center could be a fun, easy, and affordable place for good folks to unwind after a workday or workweek and cheer on our team with some long and desperately needed exurberence. This could be a solid, high-yield first step in re-energizing our hibernating fan base and attracting a new one.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 14, 2018 13:03:06 GMT -5
Well, for sure, there might be a 200% increase in attendance by the current students. Maybe not so much with families with little kids. And did I ever tell you about taking my then young son to the Syracuse Carrier "demi-dome" when the Crusaders played the Orangemen and the place reeked of beer, much of which was spilled by drunken fans and flowed "downstream" from the higher tiers down the concrete rows and under our feet. A little sticky when the game was over. Ahh, if we could only bring that kind of atmosphere to Fitton and Hart!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 14, 2018 14:59:19 GMT -5
Selling beer at HC sporting events is an extremely bad idea for a number of reasons, the least is the increased liability that HC would incur if alcohol was being sold to the general public at the games. If you think having RSIG security enforcement is a problem, wait until you see them pulling people out of the stands that are three sheets to the wind. As Sader 1970 noted, being in an atmosphere with drunk fans is not an enjoyable experience, and certainly not family friendly.
Having a beer or two while tailgating is fine, however if a person cannot attend a game and enjoy the events on the field or the court for a couple of hours without a drink in their hands, they have a problem and should be be in counseling and attending friends of Bill W meetings.
Providing full disclosure, I was raised in a family that owned a bar and a restaurant in a major city, so I am not adverse to someone having a drink.
Personally I prefer to have all my faculties in tack to enjoy the game, and be able to recap in full detail outstanding plays on the field. Also DWI is costly as well as leading to a life altering event.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 14, 2018 15:41:52 GMT -5
Selling beer at HC sporting events is an extremely bad idea for a number of reasons, the least is the increased liability that HC would incur if alcohol was being sold to the general public at the games. If you think having RSIG security enforcement is a problem, wait until you see them pulling people out of the stands that are three sheets to the wind. As Sader 1970 noted, being in an atmosphere with drunk fans is not an enjoyable experience, and certainly not family friendly. Having a beer or two while tailgating is fine, however if a person cannot attend a game and enjoy the events on the field or the court for a couple of hours without a drink in their hands, they have a problem and should be be in counseling and attending friends of Bill W meetings. Providing full disclosure, I was raised in a family that owned a bar and a restaurant in a major city, so I am not adverse to someone having a drink. Personally I prefer to have all my faculties in tack to enjoy the game, and be able to recap in full detail outstanding plays on the field. Also DWI is costly as well as leading to a life altering event. I really don’t care about this, but is selling beer during the first half of a basketball game really going to lead to chaos? It would be nice to enjoy a couple beers and watch the game. I’ve attended games at the DCU where beer was sold and I’ve never seen a problem.
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 14, 2018 16:03:25 GMT -5
FWIW HC dining is the monkey wrench in getting better concessions at the Hart, not the athletic dept. The athletic dept actually wants to do a number of things, but is hamstrung by Dining, for the moment. There is an outside guy doing burgers and such in the open end at football games. It's a monkey wrench but a workable one That guy is Uncle Jay's father! Uncle Jay was the guy in the corner at the HART with clam chowdah, pulled pork, burgers and such...and hJay's Dad's name is Guy!!!!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 14, 2018 17:15:51 GMT -5
There is one simple way to increase attendance at the basketball games for at least one game a year: resurrect the Bud Light Daredevils. Guaranteed to attract an extra 400-500 people!
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