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Post by hchoops on Jul 11, 2018 9:18:20 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 11, 2018 10:04:10 GMT -5
Yeah, but uh,how many of those wins were while he was coaching Holy Cross?
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Post by trimster on Jul 11, 2018 10:14:58 GMT -5
Probably zero. This stuff is nonsense. How about something like get a quality education for free, gain acess to an outstanding alumni network and play Division One basketball.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 11, 2018 10:22:21 GMT -5
Probably zero. This stuff is nonsense. How about something like get a quality education for free, gain acess to an outstanding alumni network and play Division One basketball. I'll bet the coaches are aware of those features and benefits and promote them on every recruiting contact.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Jul 11, 2018 10:36:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but uh,how many of those wins were while he was coaching Holy Cross? Definitely need to start getting substantial wins at HC...
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Post by possum on Jul 11, 2018 12:27:21 GMT -5
Yeah come play for the guy who accomplished the unthinkable leading the program into the first NCAA investigation in school history.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 11, 2018 13:20:53 GMT -5
Uh, while I appreciate your dig at Carmody, it is definitely not the first NCAA investigation at Holy Cross.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 11, 2018 16:17:18 GMT -5
Not to try and take the reigns from the resident Board Sheriff, but how about one thread for all tweets to be aggregated from the twitter account?
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Post by possum on Jul 11, 2018 17:21:51 GMT -5
Sader 70 have been following the basketball program for a long time don't recall any other investigations please elaborate on details.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 11, 2018 17:33:54 GMT -5
Remember what happened with soccer back in 2008? Here is the letter that appeared back then:
NCAA Statement Letter from Holy Cross President Michael C. McFarland, S.J.
December 17th, 2009 by College of the Holy Cross Dear Members of the Holy Cross Community,
I am writing to inform you that late yesterday the NCAA notified Holy Cross that the Division I Committee on Infractions is releasing a report that will be the final disposition of a major infractions case in which Holy Cross self-reported to the NCAA last year and has accepted responsibility for a major violation in its men’s soccer program. The Committee accepted our self-imposed penalties, including the forfeiture of two scholarships, and added the standard minimum sanction of a two-year probation.
Holy Cross has never before been involved in a major NCAA violation case.
We take these violations very seriously. While I am disappointed that these violations occurred, I am satisfied with our swift and comprehensive response. The infractions are centered around a number of impermissible telephone calls made to high school student-athletes during a nearly four-year period (April 2004-June 2008). The phone calls cited and investigated by both the College and the NCAA included contact with students prior to the first permissible calling date, as well as calls exceeding the prescribed limit made during permissible periods. In its findings, the NCAA noted that the violations were not intentional, but determined that our former men’s soccer head coach failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance and that the College failed to monitor telephone calls within the men’s soccer program adequately.
In June of 2008, when we first discovered that violations had taken place, Holy Cross promptly began its own internal investigation and notified the enforcement division of the NCAA. Over the past 18 months, the investigation has continued; and we have cooperated fully with the NCAA, as has our former head men’s soccer coach. We submitted a full report to the NCAA in December 2008 and worked with the NCAA as it conducted its investigation. We ceased all recruiting activities in the men’s soccer program for a substantial period of time and implemented a series of corrective measures designed to ensure full NCAA rules compliance.
Compliance with NCAA policies and regulations is and has always been a priority for the College and our athletics program—administrators and coaches alike. As a result of the investigations, we discovered that our systems for monitoring telephone calls with prospective student athletes needed revision. We have taken full responsibility for the violations and have developed new procedures to ensure that all sports and all coaches have increased compliance training, understand our tracking systems, and are aware of all NCAA rules regarding telephone contact with high school students.
It is important to note that while this is a major infraction primarily because of the number of calls, the NCAA concluded that the contacts with prospective student athletes were not deliberate violations of the rules nor an attempt to obtain a recruiting advantage. Only 2% of the 103 prospects who received impermissible calls attended Holy Cross; and all of these student-athletes had their eligibility restored without conditions placed upon them. In other words, the young men were innocently involved and not penalized by the NCAA. Furthermore, the NCAA concluded that the failure-to-monitor charge was limited to recruiting calls in the men’s soccer program, as other areas of the men’s soccer program were adequately monitored. An audit conducted by the College did not reveal telephone call violations in other sports.
As a result of the two-year probation, we will be under some scrutiny by the NCAA and must adhere to additional reporting requirements. This will not have any impact on our eligibility for post-season competition, future recruiting or any other aspects of our program. We are committed to enforcing the steps now in place to monitor calls and track prospects.
I would like to commend the Holy Cross Athletics Department and other staff for their swift and comprehensive responses upon discovering these problems. We promptly investigated and then reported these violations to the NCAA when they were discovered. Director of Athletics Richard Regan and his staff worked diligently to identify the issues, kept me informed, and worked with the NCAA to take appropriate corrective actions.
It is imperative that we conduct all our affairs, including certainly athletics, according to the highest ethical standards. We regret deeply this serious violation of the rules governing our athletics programs. We are committed to full compliance with both the letter and the spirit of NCAA rules and will work proactively with our community, the NCAA and our partners in intercollegiate athletics to sustain this commitment.
Rev. Michael C. McFarland, S.J. President
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 11, 2018 18:11:27 GMT -5
possum, I never qualified an NCAA investigation as a basketball investigation and neither did you when you said: In addition to the one that RGS reported above, there were others, including football program in the 60's for unsanctioned pre-season practices (in Canada) that did not see the light of day but cost the coach his job and was common knowledge among the football team since they were the ones doing the unsanctioned practice.
Point is, Holy Cross has been investigated and sanctioned in the past but certainly not a feather in Carmody's cap or to excuse him or anyone else.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 11, 2018 18:18:21 GMT -5
Not to try and take the reigns from the resident Board Sheriff, but how about one thread for all tweets to be aggregated from the twitter account? Good idea. I don't think every tweet needs its own thread.
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Post by crusader12 on Jul 24, 2018 9:57:58 GMT -5
I mean, what has really changed under HCBC other than the PLC (which is a large check mark in HCBC's column)? In first three years HCBC win %= 42.86% vs. FHCMB win %= 39.77%. Now adding off the court issues with the team seems like a wash. This year is a big performance year gut check for many of ADNP's hires (MBB, FH, MHockey, WLAX, VBall). HC Athletics needs to start winning again....
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Post by joe on Jul 24, 2018 10:03:46 GMT -5
Whatever this is supposed to be, it’s weird to me.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 24, 2018 18:22:03 GMT -5
Again...another tone-deaf product from the Pine spin-machine.
"Before Coach Carmody came to HC he coached a team that beat Iowa St? Where do I sign???"
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 24, 2018 18:52:04 GMT -5
For those who think NP is responsible for, or signs off on every marketing initiative, tweet, press release, or other athletics communication has zero clue how HC's and every other school in the country athletics dept. is structured.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 24, 2018 19:18:02 GMT -5
So, are you saying Fr. B signs off or just Dan Kim?😂
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Post by lou on Jul 24, 2018 19:23:07 GMT -5
I don't care who signs off or who doesn't sign off, I still like the message, and Carmody has those wins on his resume, so good for him, and good for HC 'cause he's our coach and he knows how to win. Stay tuned...
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 24, 2018 21:14:09 GMT -5
For those who think NP is responsible for, or signs off on every marketing initiative, tweet, press release, or other athletics communication has zero clue how HC's and every other school in the country athletics dept. is structured. Pine hired the social media kids in the athletic office, so — like any boss — it ladders up to him. The incessant tweets by HC athletic twitter accounts make it seem like things are peaches and cream in an attempt to win over 17-year old kids. I get what they’re looking to accomplish and don’t totally disagree with it, but it’s just nauseating for the non-recruit. Has anyone seen what a great refueling station we have full of Gatorade and granola bars???
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Post by sader87 on Jul 25, 2018 6:46:15 GMT -5
Again...another tone-deaf product from the Pine spin-machine. "Before Coach Carmody came to HC he coached a team that beat Iowa St? Where do I sign???" . What’s your point about Iowa State? Sorry if I am misunderstanding but are you suggesting that’s no big deal? Or are you just mocking the HC marketing hype? Iowa State has been relevant in a competitive conference for decades - we have not been for over 40+ years. That picture someone posted of Ronnie Perry sitting near Bird and Magic says it all and depressed the heck out of me.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 25, 2018 7:06:59 GMT -5
I don't care who he beat while coaching in the Big 10...if you're in a league like that and a bad team, you are still beating Power 5 teams a couple times a year and a decent non-leaguer or two to boot. Multiply that by 14 years there.
More relevant are his wins at Princeton. It's more the type of program/athlete that Holy Cross can aspire to. Not easy, because Princeton is Princeton, but achievable.
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Post by sader87 on Jul 25, 2018 7:11:38 GMT -5
I don't care who he beat while coaching in the Big 10...if you're in a league like that and a bad team, you are still beating Power 5 teams a couple times a year and a decent non-leaguer or two to boot. Multiply that by 14 years there. More relevant are his wins at Princeton. It's more the type of program/athlete that Holy Cross can aspire to. Not easy, because Princeton is Princeton, but achievable. . I don’t think we can model ourselves to Princeton or Harvard either. Love my HC but we do not have the name or academic recognition that those schools can offer a player. Maybe 30 years ago to some extent we could but our name recognition has dropped unbelievably over the years.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 25, 2018 7:23:54 GMT -5
Imho, Holy Cross is not going to successfully compete for recruits with the upper half of the Ivy League - Harvard, Yale, Penn, Princeton - in the foreseeable future (yes, I know about RJ . . .). In basketball, each of those four schools has, in recent years, recruited kids who had legitimate, high-major offers. It may be unfair, but student-athletes and their families regard these four as providing the best avenues for future financial success.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 25, 2018 7:24:06 GMT -5
Sader87 meet hc87!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 25, 2018 7:27:23 GMT -5
Actually, the best current model HC can emulate for academic/athletic success is Bucknell.
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