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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2018 8:00:10 GMT -5
I don't care about competing for recruits. We've beaten Harvard, I think, 4 years in a row with 2 different coaches so it is what happens on the court that counts. We generally don't play Penn or Princeton so who cares?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 25, 2018 8:13:17 GMT -5
I don't care about competing for recruits. We've beaten Harvard, I think, 4 years in a row with 2 different coaches so it is what happens on the court that counts. We generally don't play Penn or Princeton so who cares? As our overall winning percentage over the last four years (.438) would indicate, beating up on a Tommy Amaker-coached team is not an indicator for having a good basketball team. If we are going to actually turn the program around, we need better recruiting and better coaching.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2018 8:22:01 GMT -5
BBC, my response was directed at the specific point that we cannot compete for recruits with those 4 Ivies. My point is that while the quality of the players may count for a lot, coaching can more than make up for slight differentials. Your referencing Amaker actually makes my point. He may have had "better" players but they couldn't beat us.
So, I am a results-oriented person. I don't care if the other team has NBA, NHL, NFL quality players as long as we win on the court, ice or field.
FWIW, I do think we have started, and will continue, to get better players and hopefully our coaching will get even better too. I suspect football is where we will see an immediate impact. I think the jury is still out on Carmody.
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Post by Ray on Jul 25, 2018 8:42:01 GMT -5
The incessant tweets by HC athletic twitter accounts make it seem like things are peaches and cream in an attempt to win over 17-year old kids. I get what they’re looking to accomplish and don’t totally disagree with it, but it’s just nauseating for the non-recruit.
But that's kind of the point, isn't it? We aren't the target audience for this stuff. And whether or not we view it skeptically, if it resonates with the aforementioned 17-year old (and I don't think we're in any position to judge that), then what's the problem here?
This is just a bunch of people doing their jobs. Nothing to see here.
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Post by rickii on Jul 25, 2018 9:03:08 GMT -5
Spot on Ray....
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 25, 2018 9:14:45 GMT -5
On the note of what program to model HC on, Bucknell has the inside track on one of the top incoming senior athletes in NJ - A.J. Wingfleld. He plays at Ramapo High School. He is QB for their football team and a tremendous baseball player (3rd base) as well. I wonder if we may have to face him in the future?
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Post by bison137 on Jul 25, 2018 9:22:22 GMT -5
On the note of what program to model HC on, Bucknell has the inside track on one of the top incoming senior athletes in NJ - A.J. Wingfleld. He plays at Ramapo High School. He is QB for their football team and a tremendous baseball player (3rd base) as well. I wonder if we may have to face him in the future? Wingfield is a great athlete, but at 5-11 he hasn't drawn a lot of serious D1 interest. As of last week I don't think he had a D1 offer although Bucknell had shown some interest. However the Bison just got a commitment from a good Virginia QB, and they normally only bring in one scholarship QB a year. So I think it's unlikely he will end up at Bucknell, unless it is as a walk-on.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 25, 2018 9:23:53 GMT -5
As a junior he had 1040 yards rushing (19 TDs) and 1600 yards passing (12 TD passes). Not bad. His senior year may get him some top offers. If BU already has a committed QB he must be something! Might he be coming for baseball? What is your situation with baseball scholarships? (He also has a GPA that is one of the top 10 in his class. He stopped playing hoops to work on speed and weights in the winter.)
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Post by timholycross on Jul 25, 2018 9:59:04 GMT -5
Imho, Holy Cross is not going to successfully compete for recruits with the upper half of the Ivy League - Harvard, Yale, Penn, Princeton - in the foreseeable future (yes, I know about RJ . . .). In basketball, each of those four schools has, in recent years, recruited kids who had legitimate, high-major offers. It may be unfair, but student-athletes and their families regard these four as providing the best avenues for future financial success. Last I saw the Patriot League was #27 in power ranking, the Ivy League was #24. Not out of reach, none of the bottom half of the conferences is.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 25, 2018 10:07:50 GMT -5
Pine hired the social media kids in the athletic office, so — like any boss — it ladders up to him. The incessant tweets by HC athletic twitter accounts make it seem like things are peaches and cream . . . In trying to figure out where the assistants might be going to observe prospective recruits, e.g., I periodically check their twitter feeds - these have been productive resources for this kind of info and other interesting insights that they (especially Owens) have had during past recruiting cycles. To a man, they have, for weeks, been almost exclusively parroting (re-tweeting) every basketball item that comes from the HC twitter account. Virtually nothing else.
It does seem that, for whatever reason, they are trying as a group to be extra careful toeing a party line.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 25, 2018 13:26:04 GMT -5
As a junior he had 1040 yards rushing (19 TDs) and 1600 yards passing (12 TD passes). Not bad. His senior year may get him some top offers. If BU already has a committed QB he must be something! Might he be coming for baseball? What is your situation with baseball scholarships? (He also has a GPA that is one of the top 10 in his class. He stopped playing hoops to work on speed and weights in the winter.)) Bucknell doesn't have any baseball scholarships. As for football, as good as Wingfield is as a HS player, remember that right now he has zero D1 scholarship offers - and he never had a Bucknell offer. The three schools he mentions as having interest in him as of last week are Gettysburg, Muhlenberg, and Bucknell. We will have to wait and see how good the rising senior QB who has already committed to Bucknell is. He had a recent offer from Virginia, which he got immediately after attending their camp, which can't be a bad sign. But as a junior, his HS team was very run-oriented, featuring one of the best RB's in the country, so he didn't get to throw it much.
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Post by trimster on Jul 25, 2018 16:06:50 GMT -5
Imho, Holy Cross is not going to successfully compete for recruits with the upper half of the Ivy League - Harvard, Yale, Penn, Princeton - in the foreseeable future (yes, I know about RJ . . .). In basketball, each of those four schools has, in recent years, recruited kids who had legitimate, high-major offers. It may be unfair, but student-athletes and their families regard these four as providing the best avenues for future financial success. I don't think HC has been able to compete for hoops recruits for some time now against HYP&P. Not sure about football but I believe the list of men's hoop recruits we have lost to those 4 schools, particularly from the New England prep league ranks, is quite long. We are fishing from a small pond when it comes to recruiting and it becomes all the more difficult when you have those four in the mix. I can only imagine how difficult it must have been when HC didn't have athletic scholarships to offer for a number of years.
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Post by sader87 on Jul 25, 2018 17:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by hc87 on Jul 26, 2018 15:31:09 GMT -5
. What’s your point about Iowa State? Sorry if I am misunderstanding but are you suggesting that’s no big deal? Or are you just mocking the HC marketing hype? Iowa State has been relevant in a competitive conference for decades - we have not been for over 40+ years. That picture someone posted of Ronnie Perry sitting near Bird and Magic says it all and depressed the heck out of me. I posted here not to impugn the Cyclones or Freddie Hoiberg....just picked them randomly to make a funny. Methinks we share many of the same thoughts as well as being in the same graduation class.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 26, 2018 16:00:54 GMT -5
. What’s your point about Iowa State? Sorry if I am misunderstanding but are you suggesting that’s no big deal? Or are you just mocking the HC marketing hype? Iowa State has been relevant in a competitive conference for decades - we have not been for over 40+ years. That picture someone posted of Ronnie Perry sitting near Bird and Magic says it all and depressed the heck out of me. I posted here not to impugn the Cyclones or Freddie Hoiberg....just picked them randomly to make a funny. Methinks we share many of the same thoughts as well as being in the same graduation class. Couldn't impugn Freddie Hoiberg, since he wasn't the Iowa State coach when Carmody beat them. Iowa State, btw, was 4-12 in the B12 that year.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 26, 2018 16:15:23 GMT -5
Freddy wishes he had stayed in Ames. He is not the mayor of Chicago.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 26, 2018 16:30:42 GMT -5
I posted here not to impugn the Cyclones or Freddie Hoiberg....just picked them randomly to make a funny. Methinks we share many of the same thoughts as well as being in the same graduation class. Couldn't impugn Freddie Hoiberg, since he wasn't the Iowa State coach when Carmody beat them. Iowa State, btw, was 4-12 in the B12 that year. Amazed that you have the time, and interest to look up such random info.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 26, 2018 16:40:11 GMT -5
Couldn't impugn Freddie Hoiberg, since he wasn't the Iowa State coach when Carmody beat them. Iowa State, btw, was 4-12 in the B12 that year. Amazed that you have the time, and interest to look up such random info. It nevah ceases to amaze me what bison137 knows. I thought I was bad with arcane sports knowledge/trivia...bison137 is my daddy
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 26, 2018 16:50:32 GMT -5
That wasn't "known". It was looked up.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2018 17:14:37 GMT -5
Supposedly, Einstein said "never memorize anything you can look up." Or was that Yogi Berra?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 26, 2018 17:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 26, 2018 17:18:50 GMT -5
Both!
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2018 17:52:59 GMT -5
I still think Einstein stole it from Yogi.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 26, 2018 17:55:35 GMT -5
And Yogi stole it from "the old professor," Casey Stengel who was famous for saying: " you could look it up."
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Post by timholycross on Jul 27, 2018 9:44:05 GMT -5
And Yogi stole it from "the old professor," Casey Stengel who was famous for saying: " you could look it up." No question most people attribute that one to the "Ol Perfesser" not Yogi. I could read about the wit and wisdom of both men all day. Cannot believe I'm so old (66) now that Casey's remark "I'll never make the mistake of being 70 again" is close at hand...and as I see age issues of many varieties creeping into my everyday life; I fully understand what he meant.
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