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Post by hcpride on Sept 10, 2018 5:33:39 GMT -5
Holy Cross is a "More Selective" Tie-35th in the National LAC category. www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-collegesGoing backward five years I believe we have been T-33rd, T-33rd, 32, 34, 32. Since our competitor/cross applicants institutions are not in this (National LAC) category, relative comparisons are a bit difficult. (FWIW, USN&WR lists BC, Fordham, PC and UMass Amherst as our four overlap schools...I find the applicant overlap section of each school to be interesting.) National Universities Category reveals Notre Dame (18), Georgetown (T-22), BC (T-38), Villanova (T-49), and Fordham (T-70). Some significant changes to USN&WR methodology this year including adding social mobility indicators (a trend amongst recent rankings), eliminating acceptance rate as a factor, and reducing the weight of expert opinions and scores. www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankings
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Post by rf1 on Sept 10, 2018 11:28:52 GMT -5
US N&WR National University Rankings for New England 2 Harvard 3 MIT 3 Yale 12 Dartmouth 14 Brown 27 Tufts 35 Brandeis 38 BC 42 BU 44 Northeastern 59 WPI 63 UConn 66 Clark U 70 Umass-Amherst 96 Vermont 106 New Hampshire 157 Umass-Lowell 157 URI 177 Suffolk 177 Maine 183 Lesley U 191 Umass-Boston 194 Hartford
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 10, 2018 11:35:21 GMT -5
Just got an email from Fairfield that they are now #1 Best Regional University, up from #3 in the USN&WR rankings. Stags, get a football team again and join the PL!
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Post by hc811215 on Sept 10, 2018 12:19:02 GMT -5
New England Liberal Arts College rankings: 1. Williams 2. Amherst 3. Wellesley 5. Bowdoin 5 .Middlebury 11. Smith 18. Colby 18. Wesleyan 22. Bates 30. Mt. Holyoke 35. Holy Cross 46. Connecticut College 46. Trinity 86. Wheaton 95. Bennington 95. College of the Atlantic 95. St. Anselm 116. Marlboro 116. St. Michael's 124 Stonehill 162 Gordon 162 Mass College of Liberal Arts 173-229 (alphabetically) Bard College at Simon's Rock Emmanuel Pine Manor Thomas More U Maine-Machias
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 11, 2018 12:03:09 GMT -5
Our PL brethren
Colgate - T16th National Liberal Arts Colleges Army - T18th NLAC Navy - T22nd NLAC Bucknell - T36th NLAC Lafayette - T36th NLAC
American - T78th National Universities Boston U. - T42nd National U's Lehigh - T53rd National U's Loyola - 5th Regional Universities (north)
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Post by somedaycamesuddenly on Sept 11, 2018 18:23:22 GMT -5
Changes to the formula hurt the PL schools in the national university category. New factors such as social mobility being factored in for outcomes (including pell grants student outcomes now being considered,) and reduction of the weighting of other factors such as "student excellence" (test scores, class rank, acceptance rate) and "expert opinion" (survey's of presidents, deans, and provosts) hurt the PL private schools in the national university category. BC, Northeastern, George Washington, Fordham all saw fairly large drops. The big winners in this were publics with lots of pell grant students such as the UC's, UF, and Georgia. The liberal arts category stayed more stable due to it mostly being private schools without a large amount of pell grant students, mostly.
I'm interested to see how the market responds now to recruitment of pell grant students. I wouldn't be shocked if colleges new about the methodology change with BU increasing it's pell grant population from 14.6 to 18.2 for the class of 2021.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 12, 2018 9:15:01 GMT -5
Changes to the formula hurt the PL schools in the national university category. New factors such as social mobility being factored in for outcomes (including pell grants student outcomes now being considered,) and reduction of the weighting of other factors such as "student excellence" (test scores, class rank, acceptance rate) and "expert opinion" (survey's of presidents, deans, and provosts) hurt the PL private schools in the national university category. BC, Northeastern, George Washington, Fordham all saw fairly large drops. The big winners in this were publics with lots of pell grant students such as the UC's, UF, and Georgia. The liberal arts category stayed more stable due to it mostly being private schools without a large amount of pell grant students, mostly. I'm interested to see how the market responds now to recruitment of pell grant students. I wouldn't be shocked if colleges new about the methodology change with BU increasing it's pell grant population from 14.6 to 18.2 for the class of 2021. I see your point and it seems to me that those "National University" schools which are most generous with financial aid [or have relatively low cost to start with] might stand to gain a bit in the rankings (the assumption being that Pell Grant students also need fairly substantial financial aid to attend [or relatively low cost schools]).
I have heard suggestions that student debt become a factor in these specific rankings - I could see an argument for including it in the student outcomes category.
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