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Post by hchoops on Sept 17, 2018 17:30:28 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 17, 2018 18:01:17 GMT -5
You have to find your way to a map, and click on it. The larger map, which seems to work poorly. admissions.holycross.edu/portal/fall_travelThis is for Greater San Francisco. admissions.holycross.edu/portal/fall_travel?l=37.90022163295331,-122.64865733226317 Which omits a visit to St. Ignatius Prep in San Francisco. Perhaps HC is not welcome? Four schools in the entire state of Georgia, two of which are in Alpharetta. But HC blankets TN And if you go to a high school in FL that's not in Dade or Broward counties, plum out of luck. I would not be so critical except that HC, very atypically, states that an interview is very important for admission, on a par with GPA. |
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 17, 2018 18:05:47 GMT -5
Thanks. It looks as though the top schools in Northern NJ are all on the list.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 18, 2018 7:51:25 GMT -5
Thanks. It looks as though the top schools in Northern NJ are all on the list. Ann and her staff follow a well-trodden path, and one which the re-accreditation committee criticized HC for pursuing. I will say I criticized the Northern California scheduling last year, in that there were no schools in Marin County that were visited. Marin is one of the richest counties in the U.S., and if you are looking for full pays,.... This year HC admissions has visits scheduled to some of the key private schools in Marin. Link below is to a BC admissions page. Scroll down and you'll find that BC assigns states or parts of states to individual admissions staffers. Prospective students are encouraged to contact the admissions staffer who covers their state. I concede that HC's staff is not as large as BC's, but I think most people would rather interact with a person rather than admissions@___________ www.bc.edu/bc-web/admission/visit/contact-admission.html______________________________________ An interview with BC's new director of admissions, in which he emphasizes improving yield. bcheights.com/2018/09/02/new-undergraduate-admissions-director-talks-yield-and-diversity/ |
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 18, 2018 9:21:00 GMT -5
Not that "well trod" in North Jersey. Some of those schools have not seen HC on campus "recruiting" for some time. HC was Ok with just being represented at a few college nights. These scheduled visits (advertised in advance) are a better job. I am not sure that going to the best known schools in the region with a known high level of students is necessarily something to criticize. We are only recently starting to get some students again from these schools after a drought for some years (Bergen Catholic for one example).
In looking at the list again, I see that Ridgewood (a top academically-focused public school) is there, but not Old Tappan or Wayne Hills (both are sold academic programs with top level athletic teams). I guess there are a few places HC could improve.
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Post by alum on Sept 18, 2018 12:37:24 GMT -5
We have discussed this topic before. On 10/22/16, I posted this about the scheduled visits for that year:
So I looked at the Connecticut high schools that Admissions is visiting with some interest. Here is the list:
Simsbury HS visit
Glastonbury HS visit
Edwin O. Smith High School Visit
South Windsor High School
Avon High School visit
Tolland High School Visit
Convent of the Sacred Heart (Greenwich)
Notre Dame HS (CT)
Greenwich Academy
Greenwich High School Visit
St. Bernard School (CT)
Brunswick School Visit
Hopkins School (CT)
Loomis Chaffee College Night
Greenwich High School College Fair
Miss Porter's College Fair
Laurelton Hall
Suffield Academy visit
Marianapolis Prep (CT)
100 Black Men of Stamford (BMOS) College Fair (CT)
This list tells me that the college is out looking for full pay students and trying to increase applications from prep schools (maybe that's the same thing.) I am nevertheless perplexed that most of the Catholic high schools are left out. For example, there is noEast Catholic, Northwest Catholic, Xavier, or Fairfield Prep. It is not hard to visit these schools. Add two days of one counselor's time and those four schools could be covered. I am in favor of expanding the base, but there is no reason to ignore traditional sources of students.
I have set out this year's schedule below. There are about three times as many schools with visits scheduled. It is substantially larger and includes the traditional sources of HC kids--all or almost all of the Catholic high schools, the public high schools in the more affluent Hartford suburbs and Fairfield County, and a few private schools. The investment of admissions time and money ( a little gas money and a few meals and maybe a night or two in a hotel) to visit these schools is minimal. I am glad AM has her staff making more of an effort although I am perplexed how a Jesuit high school (Fairfield Prep) is not on the list. I also wonder if the new USNWR formula (which increases high school guidance counselor weight on the reputation section) factored into the decision to go to more schools.
This year (66)
Trumbull High School Visit (CT)
Fairfield Warde High School Visit (CT)
Fairfield Ludlowe High School (CT)
Norwalk High School Visit (CT)
Suffield Academy Visit
Darien High School Visit (CT)
Weston High School (CT)
Williams School Visit (CT)
Stonington High School Visit (CT)
Lyme-Old Lyme High School Visit (CT)
Old Saybrook High School Visit (CT)
Mercy High School Visit (CT)
Brien McMahon High School Visit (CT)
Saint Luke's School Visit (CT)
New Canaan High School Visit (CT)
Daniel Hand High School Visit (CT)
Hamden Hall Country Day School Visit (CT)
Notre Dame High School Visit (CT)
Achievement First Amistad High School Visit (CT)
Hall High School Visit (CT)
Avon High School Visit (CT)
Simsbury High School (CT)
Conard High School Visit (CT)
Kingswood-Oxford School Visit (CT)
East Catholic High School Visit (CT)
Notre Dame Catholic High School Visit (CT)
Greens Farms Academy Visit (CT)
Holy Cross High School Visit (CT)
Westminster School Visit
Saint Paul Catholic High School Visit (CT)
Ellington High School Parent Program
Cheshire Academy Visit (CT)
Guilford High School Visit (CT)
Amity Regioal High School Visit (CT)
Sacred Heart Academy Visit (CT)
Cheshire High School Visit (CT)
East Lyme HS College Fair (CT)
Ridgefield High School Visit (CT)
Joel Barlow High School Visit (CT)
Glastonbury HS Visit
Gunnery School Visit
Wooster School Visit (CT)
Immaculate High School Visit (CT)
Newtown High School Visit (CT)
Hotchkiss School Fair
Joseph A Foran High School Visit (CT)
Lauralton Hall Visit (CT)
Jonathan Law High School Visit (CT)
Farmington HS Visit
Northwest Catholic High School Visit (CT)
Avon Old Farms Visit
Marianapolis Preparatory School Visit (CT)
Westover School Visit
Ethel Walker School Visit
Kent School Visit
Greenwich Academy and Brunswick School
Cheshire Academy Panel (CT)
Sacred Heart Greenwich
Mercy High School Parent Program (CT)
E. O. Smith High School
Northwest Catholic Parent Panel (CT)
Canton High School (CT)
Staples High School
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 18, 2018 14:23:02 GMT -5
I don't understand how the state of Michigan can be completely ignored - not one h.s. on the list. No wonder the % of students from the midwest is somewhere around 7%. That's too low for a school considered a 'national' liberal arts college
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 18, 2018 15:00:45 GMT -5
I represented HC at a Louisville college fair for many years and that generated increased awareness for HC and applications as well. At least one student who chose to attend HC later told me she did so because of her interactions with me at the fair. The cost to HC was something like $200 for the booth space and the shipping costs for the support materials. Perhaps HC Admissions should become more proactive in enlisting the help of alumni in cities which the professional staff can't reach due to costs or time constraints
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 18, 2018 15:39:42 GMT -5
As has been discussed before, almost now to the point of ad nauseum, HC admissions was (is?) not sending information packets to high school students who scored well on the PSAT, and inviting them to consider HC when they applied to college. (To do so would require HC admissions to concede that standardized test scores can be important.) But I think these information packets are the most effective way to distribute info about the HC 'brand',
I have told this tale before, but when my niece and nephew were in junior year of high school, HC was the only PL school (including the service academies) that did not send an information packet. When a great number of colleges/universities are inviting you to apply, and HC can't be bothered to even send an invitation, the high school student, aware of HC, is going to mentally cross HC off his/her list. And if HC is invisible to a high school student, it will remain so.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 18, 2018 15:39:56 GMT -5
I like the sound of that. Face to face contacts with someone connected to a school can be a powerful influence to a possible applicant.
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Post by Xmassader on Sept 19, 2018 23:07:21 GMT -5
Apropos of purplehaze’s comment, there are 13-14 Catholic HS in Metro Detroit (6 all boys [2 Jesuit], 3 all girls and the rest co-ed) that an HC admissions counselor could cover in 2-3 days. Walter Reynolds of U-D Jesuit is a current freshman on the HC football team and Josh Dobbs of Warren De La Salle has announced a verbal commitment.
With a minimal effort, HC Admissions could increase the number of Michigan kids (athletes, non-athletes and full pays) applying to and selecting HC, resulting in an increase in that Midwest 7% that purple haze noted.
Oakland County ( including most of the suburbs north of Detroit), like Marin County near SF, is one of the top 5-10 counties in the country in per capita income. Plenty of opportunities for HC to attract full pay students, particularly those who participate in non-revenue sports in HS but are not attracting college scholarship attention and want to continue participating in their chosen sport in college.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 20, 2018 11:49:33 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Sept 20, 2018 11:51:58 GMT -5
I wonder what your other reason was ?
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Post by matunuck on Sept 20, 2018 11:56:26 GMT -5
We need a change of guard in admissions. Obvious to me for quite a while --
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 20, 2018 14:14:12 GMT -5
I wonder what your other reason was ? Loyola Prep. Gonzaga (not the university) is frequently paired with Loyola. Stone Ridge (Sacred Heart), and Visitation (Sisters of the Visitation) are the featured schools. |
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Post by matunuck on Sept 20, 2018 14:25:55 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for HC to update its admissions profile information. They are so slow, slow, slow, slow in updating content.
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Post by matunuck on Sept 20, 2018 14:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 20, 2018 15:03:50 GMT -5
Apropos of purplehaze’s comment, there are 13-14 Catholic HS in Metro Detroit (6 all boys [2 Jesuit], 3 all girls and the rest co-ed) that an HC admissions counselor could cover in 2-3 days. Walter Reynolds of U-D Jesuit is a current freshman on the HC football team and Josh Dobbs of Warren De La Salle has announced a verbal commitment. With a minimal effort, HC Admissions could increase the number of Michigan kids (athletes, non-athletes and full pays) applying to and selecting HC, resulting in an increase in that Midwest 7% that purple haze noted. Oakland County ( including most of the suburbs north of Detroit), like Marin County near SF, is one of the top 5-10 counties in the country in per capita income. Plenty of opportunities for HC to attract full pay students, particularly those who participate in non-revenue sports in HS but are not attracting college scholarship attention and want to continue participating in their chosen sport in college. I wonder if recruiting athletes from high schools where HC may not have had a lot of applicants may pay off with (1) increased awareness of HC, (2) incremental applications from non-athletes from those schools/cities, and (3) additional recruited athletes from those schools/cities. I am positioning these potential benefits as ancillary, i.e. not the prime reason to target a certain player from a certain school. I'll offer the state of Missouri as an example--let's look at the HC football roster. 2011-- no athletes from Missouri high schools on the roster 2012- no athletes from Missouri high schools on the roster 2013-- Lucas Nikolaisen (DeSmet Jesuit HS in St Louis) and Andrew Rhodes (St Louis Priory School) enroll. Nikolaisen on roster 4 years, Rhodes for 3. 2014-- Alim Muhummad (Mary Institute & CODASCO in St Louis) and Jayke Simsheuser (Rockhurst Jesuit HS in KC, MO) enroll. Muhummad and Simsheuser both on roster for four years. 2015-- Damian Baker (Christian Bros-St Louis) and Ian Brown (Blue Springs HS--KC MO Metro) and Mark Gorman (Chaminade HS in St Louis) enroll. Baker on roster four years, Brown 2, Gorman 1. 2016- Max Daurelle (Christian Bros-STL), Joe Mattingly (St Louis U Jesuit HS), Ahmad Tyler (Rockhurst Jesuit-KC) enroll. Daurelle & Mattingly on roster for their third year. Tyler on roster for 2. I wonder if admissions is tracking applications and enrollments from St Louis and Kansas City, particularly from the high schools above??? One fun one to check would be to see if we get any interest from Bishop Gorman HS in Las Vegas due to Derek Ng's play---still early in the season but I'll bet we hear a lot more from him in the next 3 &1/2 years. |
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Post by hc87 on Sept 20, 2018 15:22:29 GMT -5
Lot of GTown Prep talk this week....tip-toeing carefully through the politics minefield....it's come up with people I went to HC with in the mid-80s this week as Kavanaugh would have been a GTown Prep classmate of a fair amount of guys (Mark Shriver being one) at HC back then.
I think I've read here that our #'s are way down in the DMV area...not that way in the 80s it seemed. GTown Prep, Archbishop Carroll, Gonzaga etc all seemed to be well represented then. We should do a bettah job in that region.
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Post by breezy on Sept 20, 2018 15:48:41 GMT -5
Apropos of purplehaze’s comment, there are 13-14 Catholic HS in Metro Detroit (6 all boys [2 Jesuit], 3 all girls and the rest co-ed) that an HC admissions counselor could cover in 2-3 days. Walter Reynolds of U-D Jesuit is a current freshman on the HC football team and Josh Dobbs of Warren De La Salle has announced a verbal commitment. With a minimal effort, HC Admissions could increase the number of Michigan kids (athletes, non-athletes and full pays) applying to and selecting HC, resulting in an increase in that Midwest 7% that purple haze noted. Oakland County ( including most of the suburbs north of Detroit), like Marin County near SF, is one of the top 5-10 counties in the country in per capita income. Plenty of opportunities for HC to attract full pay students, particularly those who participate in non-revenue sports in HS but are not attracting college scholarship attention and want to continue participating in their chosen sport in college. I wonder if recruiting athletes from high schools where HC may not have had a lot of applicants may pay off with (1) increased awareness of HC, (2) incremental applications from non-athletes from those schools/cities, and (3) additional recruited athletes from those schools/cities. I am positioning these potential benefits as ancillary, i.e. not the prime reason to target a certain player from a certain school. I'll offer the state of Missouri as an example--let's look at the HC football roster. 2011-- no athletes from Missouri high schools on the roster 2012- no athletes from Missouri high schools on the roster 2013-- Lucas Nikolaisen (DeSmet Jesuit HS in St Louis) and Andrew Rhodes (St Louis Priory School) enroll. Nikolaisen on roster 4 years, Rhodes for 3. 2014-- Alim Muhummad (Mary Institute & CODASCO in St Louis) and Jayke Simsheuser (Rockhurst Jesuit HS in KC, MO) enroll. Muhummad and Simsheuser both on roster for four years. 2015-- Damian Baker (Christian Bros-St Louis) and Ian Brown (Blue Springs HS--KC MO Metro) and Mark Gorman (Chaminade HS in St Louis) enroll. Baker on roster four years, Brown 2, Gorman 1. 2016- Max Daurelle (Christian Bros-STL), Joe Mattingly (St Louis U Jesuit HS), Ahmad Tyler (Rockhurst Jesuit-KC) enroll. Daurelle & Mattingly on roster for their third year. Tyler on roster for 2. I wonder if admissions is tracking applications and enrollments from St Louis and Kansas City, particularly from the high schools above??? One fun one to check would be to see if we get any interest from Bishop Gorman HS in Las Vegas due to Derek Ng's play---still early in the season but I'll bet we hear a lot more from him in the next 3 &1/2 years. Just to add some clarification. Ian Brown had injury problems which, as I understand it, required that he retire from football. I have no idea if he remained as a student; if so, he would be graduating next May. Ahmad Tyler was on the roster for four years and I believe that he graduated earlier this year. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2018 14:47:32 GMT -5
Lot of GTown Prep talk this week....tip-toeing carefully through the politics minefield....it's come up with people I went to HC with in the mid-80s this week as Kavanaugh would have been a GTown Prep classmate of a fair amount of guys (Mark Shriver being one) at HC back then. I think I've read here that our #'s are way down in the DMV area...not that way in the 80s it seemed. GTown Prep, Archbishop Carroll, Gonzaga etc all seemed to be well represented then. We should do a bettah job in that region. I read a post that extolled the enrollment of between 12-20 (I can't remember the exact number) Prep graduates in the class of '07 enrolling in the IL, plus Duke, Northwestern, etc. Without data from other recent classes, e.g., 2017, its hard to say whether the sparse IL enrollment (six) of the class of 2018 represents a trend or is an outlier. Several other comments on the 2018 class matriculation list. 1.) That they put names with schools for the entire class was simply astounding.. 2.) The dearth of students going to LACs; I think there were was one to a NESCAC school. 3.) Nobody chose to attend AU or GW. 4.) A question of whether the most selective colleges/universities are becoming ever more geographically diverse, and the prep school pipeline of days past is yielding less. _______________ A letter today from the President of Georgetown [Loyola*] Prep. www.gprep.org/about/news/~post/a-letter-from-fr-van-dyke-to-the-prep-community-20180921* Loyola was the name of the school attended by an alumnus author who wrote a very thinly disguised autobiography that did neither the school nor his friends any favors. |
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Post by hc87 on Sept 21, 2018 17:17:22 GMT -5
I didn't know GTown Prep was a boarding school....pp, any idea how their overall #'s have been? Catholic HSs have been hurting pretty much everywhere, even schools like BC High are having trouble with #'s these days.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2018 18:25:12 GMT -5
I didn't know GTown Prep was a boarding school....pp, any idea how their overall #'s have been? Catholic HSs have been hurting pretty much everywhere, even schools like BC High are having trouble with #'s these days. IH, it is not primarily a boarding school. Hazarding a guess, the boarding aspect may have started to accommodate students whose families were posted on assignment overseas. I expect it now has a sizeable contingent of Chinese students. I think its numbers are holding up, supported by the demographic growth in wealth. However, for families living in Georgetown (next to the university), Georgetown Prep would be quite a hike these days, given traffic. And there is Gonzaga College High School, within easy walking distance of the U.S. Capitol. Matriculation statistics, four year totals by college, would indicate Gonzaga is on a par with Georgetown Prep, if not slightly ahead, with respect to acceptances at highly competitive schools. www.gonzaga.org/page/student-life/college-counseling/college-matriculationsThe number of Gonzaga graduates matriculating at the University of Virginia suggests to me a significant number of Gonzaga students are Virginia residents. The academic gold standard for boys in metropolitan DC is probably St. Albans and Sidwell Friends, both of which are relatively near Georgetown University. |
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