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Post by lou on Mar 17, 2019 19:40:53 GMT -5
Does the women’s game have the men’s new NET ranking ? No
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Post by timholycross on Mar 17, 2019 20:24:56 GMT -5
The depth of both Harvard and Yale is really something. How long before the Ivy becomes a multi bid league? We all know why there are 20 or close to 20 on each of those benches, don't we? Another way of gaming the system. They (and the Patriot League) can stick the Academic Index where the sun don't shine.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 17, 2019 20:27:53 GMT -5
So if Dartmouth or Cornell do not make the four team tournament but are the hosts, the fans attending will have a long drive over the bridge and through the woods to Grandmother's house. Penn hosted in 2017 and 2018. Yale hosted this year. The others will all host once between 2020 and 2025 2020 - Harvard 2021 - Princeton 2022 - Brown 2023 - Cornell 2024 - Dartmouth 2025 - Columbia Not sure why this is better than letting the top seed host. I guess the Ivy thinks it’s big enough that fans of the top 4 teams will travel to a neutral site for a weekend. Will be interesting to see what happens in the Cornell and Dartmouth years. TV doesn't reveal everything, but from what you can see on the tube there is no venue in the Patriot League worse than Brown.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 17, 2019 20:43:46 GMT -5
The function room (similar to the Bud Ryan Room) at the Brown gym does have a wet bar, IIRC.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 17, 2019 21:05:59 GMT -5
Penn hosted in 2017 and 2018. Yale hosted this year. The others will all host once between 2020 and 2025 2020 - Harvard 2021 - Princeton 2022 - Brown 2023 - Cornell 2024 - Dartmouth 2025 - Columbia Not sure why this is better than letting the top seed host. I guess the Ivy thinks it’s big enough that fans of the top 4 teams will travel to a neutral site for a weekend. Will be interesting to see what happens in the Cornell and Dartmouth years. TV doesn't reveal everything, but from what you can see on the tube there is no venue in the Patriot League worse than Brown. I have been to Brown. Definitely a middle school gym. Wonder if they will host the Ivy tourney at a Providence gym other than their own.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 17, 2019 22:36:25 GMT -5
Does the women’s game have the men’s new NET ranking ? No, it's the traditional RPI - which is why I cited Bucknell's #37 ranking. I am fairly sure that is the best mark any PL team has had, men or women. Will be interesting to see how it affects their seed. The women's bracket is very different, however, in that geography plays a significant role and also because the top four seeds in each of the four regions host four-team pods on the first weekend.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 18, 2019 13:48:49 GMT -5
To clarify, I'm speaking to multi NCAA bids. I think Harvard talent wise is comparable to a a 6-7th place high major imho. It listed 4 current Harvard players as being in ESPN's Top 100 the year they came in (they're juniors now). Granted one of them is Towns and he didn't play, but don't you get the feeling Amaker is not a guy who "could beat yoursn with hisn and hisn with yoursn"?
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 18, 2019 14:50:35 GMT -5
Yessin! Indeed.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 18, 2019 15:57:23 GMT -5
To clarify, I'm speaking to multi NCAA bids. I think Harvard talent wise is comparable to a a 6-7th place high major imho. It listed 4 current Harvard players as being in ESPN's Top 100 the year they came in (they're juniors now). Granted one of them is Towns and he didn't play, but don't you get the feeling Amaker is not a guy who "could beat yoursn with hisn and hisn with yoursn"? Agree, Lefty 😀
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Post by timholycross on Mar 18, 2019 22:58:50 GMT -5
Imagine you're Harvard and you get an NIT bid and play on the road at a worse place than Lavietes?
They're going to Georgetown, as in McDonough Hall Georgetown, not their usual DC arena digs.
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Post by trimster on Mar 19, 2019 6:45:40 GMT -5
Imagine you're Harvard and you get an NIT bid and play on the road at a worse place than Lavietes? They're going to Georgetown, as in McDonough Hall Georgetown, not their usual DC arena digs. Imagine you are Holy Cross and you have already put your basketballs away for the season.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 19, 2019 7:44:02 GMT -5
/\ It'd be nice if we were good enough to have those sorts of concerns (conference final or NIT/NCAA locations).
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Post by hchoops on Mar 19, 2019 9:07:36 GMT -5
I see that Cornell and Brown are in the CBI and CIT tourneys. 4 Ivies in the post season. Princeton and possibly Penn must have turned them down Wonder if Lehigh and /or AU were invited ?
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Post by Tom on Mar 19, 2019 9:20:51 GMT -5
I see that Cornell and Brown are in the CBI and CIT tourneys. 4 Ivies in the post season. Princeton and possibly Penn must have turned them down Wonder if Lehigh and /or AU were invited ? I assume Bucknell would get invited somewhere first
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 19, 2019 9:29:04 GMT -5
Maybe they did and chose not pay-to-play.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 19, 2019 9:29:36 GMT -5
I see that Cornell and Brown are in the CBI and CIT tourneys. 4 Ivies in the post season. Princeton and possibly Penn must have turned them down Wonder if Lehigh and /or AU were invited ?
I would not read too much (such as not being invited) into who is not in the fields for these tournaments based off who is participating. Just look at the CBI for instance, Five of its 16 teams did not even have winning records. CSUN had a record of 13-20. Howard had a winning record of 17-16 but an NET ranking of #306. The fields for these tournaments are not necessarily the best teams that don't go to the NCAA or NIT. In many cases, it is who was willing to pay the participation fee.
2019 CBI Field Teams/Record/NET Rank WVU 14-20 #106 CSUN 13-20 #273 Coastal Carolina 15-16 #163 Longwood 15-17 #291 Depaul 15-15 #102 Grand Canyon 20-13 #96 Howard 17-16 #306 South Florida 19-13 #99 Stony Brook 24-8 #156 Utah Valley 24-9 #90 Central Michigan 23-11 #113 Southern Miss 20-12 #91 Cal Baptist 16-14 #165 Loyola Marymount 20-11 #142 Brown 19-11 #145 UAB 20-14 #133
D1 games only
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Post by res on Mar 19, 2019 18:06:43 GMT -5
Clarence Armstrong in the middle of a controversial call early in the second half of the Ivy Championship. Getting a lot of screen time. Funny in light of today's news. In a 2017 game, Phil Martelli got tossed by telling Clarence Armstrong he was the worst official he had ever seen.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 19, 2019 19:49:20 GMT -5
I would not read too much (such as not being invited) into who is not in the fields for these tournaments based off who is participating. Just look at the CBI for instance, Five of its 16 teams did not even have winning records. CSUN had a record of 13-20. Howard had a winning record of 17-16 but an NET ranking of #306. Howard is coached, as most know, by former Willard assistant Kevin Nickelberry This was the Bison's first winning season in 17 years, and just the second since the 1991-92 team (with Milan Brown playing the point) that went to the NCAA Tournament. They had lost 20+ in 19 of the last 24 years.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 20, 2019 7:33:11 GMT -5
Maybe they did and chose not pay-to-play. Yes, Bucknell was invited and chose not to play. Fwiw, Nathan Davis said: "Players come to Bucknell to pay in the NCAA or NIT, not these other tournaments." I am not a big fan of pay-to-play, but I think the upperclassmen on a team should get a say in the decision - assuming some alums are willing to write the check.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 20, 2019 8:32:00 GMT -5
Holy Cross is loaded with underclassmen. I'm neutral on whether they should have paid to play because I'm not writing any big checks, and I am sensitive to CBC family health situation. But if they did decide to play it would have been a nice accommodation to have the three assistant coaches do the coaching to get experience to help their careers and give the head coach a break. If HC could get three games in, each assistant could have one game as acting head coach. It is a small accomplishment, but would look good on a resume.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 20, 2019 10:18:31 GMT -5
The NIT had two games back-to-back that demonstrate the ups and downs of this type of tournament.
The NC State/Hofstra game was played before a full or nearly full house at NC State's old digs, Reynolds Coliseum, recently remodeled. Enthusiastic crowd, well-played game.
Then, the PC/Arkansas game at the Dunk was a real snoozefest. Not sure what the attendance was as they never showed the upper reaches of The Dunk. The sonambulent (because PC gave their fans no reason to cheer) crowd no question would have fit in Alumni Hall unless its current configuration took out a lot of seats.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 20, 2019 18:21:06 GMT -5
The NIT had two games back-to-back that demonstrate the ups and downs of this type of tournament. The NC State/Hofstra game was played before a full or nearly full house at NC State's old digs, Reynolds Coliseum, recently remodeled. Enthusiastic crowd, well-played game. Then, the PC/Arkansas game at the Dunk was a real snoozefest. Not sure what the attendance was as they never showed the upper reaches of The Dunk. The sonambulent (because PC gave their fans no reason to cheer) crowd no question would have fit in Alumni Hall unless its current configuration took out a lot of seats.
Attendance at the 12,400 seat Dunkin Donuts Center last night for the NIT game was 3,057. This despite the fact that Providence College discounted the prices of tickets to just two tiers of $10 and $15. I was bombarded with emails trying to sell me tickets. The crowd last night was less than a third of the Friars seasonal average (which dropped by almost 400 after this game). A late 9pm start didn't help matters. It is just a tough prospect when you have less than 48 hours to sell tickets starting from a base of zero as there are no pre purchased season tickets included. This even applies to the New England school that for the last several years has led the region in average attendance.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 21, 2019 10:49:14 GMT -5
Speaking of the Ivies, the league is doing well so far in the lesser tournaments. Harvard beat Georgetown on the road in the NIT at the Hoyas tiny on campus gym. Brown beat UAB in the CBI in Providence to record some firsts in program history - first post season victory and first 20 wins season ever. Only blemish this far has been that Cornell fell at Robert Morris in the CIT. Yale is yet to play in the NCAA.
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