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Post by hcpride on Nov 18, 2018 16:10:47 GMT -5
Patriot League Champion Colgate nabbed an 8 seed, a first round bye, and will host the winner of James Madison v Delaware in round two. Maine, FWIW, was the CAA champion, 7 seed, and one of a record six CAA teams in the FCS playoffs. Attachments:
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Post by timholycross on Nov 18, 2018 18:05:35 GMT -5
6 teams from the CAA.
Maine won that league and gets a home game. On December 1. In Orono, Maine. Bundle Up Black Bear Fans!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 18, 2018 18:17:00 GMT -5
From my days in the frozen north (not Maine), the Maine fans won't have to bundle up, they're used to it. It's the opponent's fans that'll have to dress in layers - long johns, cuddle duds for the ladies, parkas, insulated boots, scarves, hats, ski masks, hand and foot warmers, etc., etc.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 18, 2018 18:53:39 GMT -5
6 teams from the CAA. Maine won that league and gets a home game. On December 1. In Orono, Maine. Bundle Up Black Bear Fans! Tremendous season for Maine. Should be some home-weather advantage since they'll be playing the winner of East Tennessee State v Jacksonville State.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 18, 2018 19:59:01 GMT -5
Good luck to Colgate, I have a feeling they will wind up hosting JMU in Hamilton. While 8-3 is a little below the mark for the Dukes given their back-to-back national championship appearances, they have the horses to play with anyone in the field, let alone the Patriot League rep.
I REALLY would like to see Colgate-NDSU in Fargo in a couple of weeks.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 18, 2018 22:32:58 GMT -5
Colgate played very well at AWP yday, their total offense was only 25 years less than AWP, playing with the backup qb. Does anyone know what's wrong with Breneman as he's not played the last two weeks ?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2018 7:10:42 GMT -5
The jury is still very much out, IMHO, on how good Colgate really is. The signature win in their 9-1 season was a 10-3 defeat of UNH...who finished the season at 4-7. None of their wins, in fact, were over teams who finished up .500 or better.
The playoffs give Colgate an opportunity to showcase their ability - by finally taking on [and beating] some pretty good FCS teams. Defeating either Delaware or JMU (in Hamilton) and advancing a round or two beyond means they are a very good FCS team.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 19, 2018 10:31:35 GMT -5
I think JMU will be the toughest matchup for Colgate because of their athletes at the skill positions on offense. No one they played this year can spread the field like them.
The Army game -- note Army is a Top 30 team -- proves that Colgate will be able to handle NDSU and/or UD from a physical standpoint. Both these teams run tighter sets.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 19, 2018 10:40:48 GMT -5
Colgate held Army to their lowest rushing yardage all year, including a game vs. Oklahoma. Colgate is better than we are giving them credit.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 19, 2018 11:01:11 GMT -5
Colgate is a very good football team.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2018 11:29:56 GMT -5
I don't know if a 'very good' team beats reeling UNH by just 7 and Holy Cross by just 7. Again, they beat nobody at .500 or better so it is not easy to tell.
It is true they only lost to West Point by 14 (but note that Lafayette lost to West Point a week earlier by 18).
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 19, 2018 11:36:11 GMT -5
JMU 42 Colgate 10
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 19, 2018 11:45:53 GMT -5
The Army-Lafayette game was not as close as the score dictated. Army was leading Colgate by a mere 7 points before scoring with 2 min left.
I dont see anyone putting up 42 points against Colgate but I do believe JMU's offense could present matchup issues that the Raiders havent seen yet this year.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 19, 2018 11:53:23 GMT -5
UNH beat JMU. None of the teams in the CAA are unbeatable.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 19, 2018 11:57:15 GMT -5
UNH beat JMU. None of the teams in the CAA are unbeatable. CAA was a meat grinder this year. A pretty good Rhode Island team finished 7th. 10th place Villanova beat bowl-bound Temple. 11th place Richmond beat Fordham 52-7.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2018 12:33:51 GMT -5
Sadly, that sort of score against Fordham does not say much this year.
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Post by gks on Nov 19, 2018 12:35:38 GMT -5
Colgate and Maine both hosting on 12/1. Brrrrr! Could be two games with awesome elements.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 19, 2018 17:37:56 GMT -5
Just something about 6 CAA teams seems a bit much....the bracket (24 teams) is about twice as large as it should be imo....one of many issues I have with the FCS playoff format.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 19, 2018 23:09:36 GMT -5
Just something about 6 CAA teams seems a bit much....the bracket (24 teams) is about twice as large as it should be imo....one of many issues I have with the FCS playoff format. Definitely agree with you on the bloated bracket. The NCAA rule is that for any given tournament the number of at-large bids must be equal to or greater to the number of automatic bids. Currently, 10 out of the 13 FCS conferences accept the auto-bid and send their conference champ -- MEAC, SWAC and Ivy do not. Therefore, the field could easily be pared down to 20 teams. I have never seen dumpster diving by the selection committee to the extent we saw this year.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 20, 2018 1:25:10 GMT -5
The FCS playoffs are low-rent....we should nevah get involved in them imo
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2018 5:34:37 GMT -5
I understand your point. That was what folks thought (especially Father Brooks, IIRC) many years back. It kept an outstanding HC team from gaining national recognition when they had a real chance to win it all. Should we win the PL, I hope that HC does take advantage of the opportunity the next time around.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2018 5:36:45 GMT -5
In 1983 the HC campus was pretty jacked about participating - given our roster and coach (and record) it looked like we had a legitimate shot at the championship. That team played a tough schedule (this was pre-Patriot BTW) and was unbeaten v I-AA competition. We lost - but nobody regretted our participation.
Colgate has a chance to make some noise - not saying they are anywhere near as loaded as our '83 team was - and a chance to finally see how they stack up v very good FCS competition (including the better CAA teams). They seem eager to play.
When the PL champ is not very good at all (last year, for example, when 5-6 Lehigh backed in via auto-bid and was predictably crushed first round) the tournament might seem like a waste of time for a few folks viewing it from a PL perspective. I sat with the Lehigh crowd and they were happy their team was in it.
If we are ever again good enough to qualify (by winning the PL championship), I'd love to see us in there.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2018 5:41:22 GMT -5
In 1983 the HC campus was pretty jacked about participating - given our roster and coach (and record) it looked like we had a legitimate shot at the championship. That team played a tough schedule (this was pre-Patriot BTW) and was unbeaten v I-AA competition. Colgate has a chance to make some noise - not saying they are anywhere near as loaded as our '83 team was - and a chance to finally see how they stack up v very good FCS competition (including the better CAA teams). They seem eager to play. When the PL champ is not very good at all (last year, for example, when 5-6 Lehigh backed in via auto-bid and was predictably crushed first round) the tournament might seem like a waste of time from a PL perspective. That last point is an important one. Last year was very strange in the way Lehigh got its auto-bid. That is clearly not what typically happens and Colgate can represent the PL quite well, IMHO. I watched Delaware vs Villanova and they have some really talented players, so we'll see. If 9-1 Colgate gets run out of town (as some CAA fans think will happen) then that shows just how weak the PL Is.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2018 5:53:37 GMT -5
In 1983 the HC campus was pretty jacked about participating - given our roster and coach (and record) it looked like we had a legitimate shot at the championship. That team played a tough schedule (this was pre-Patriot BTW) and was unbeaten v I-AA competition. Colgate has a chance to make some noise - not saying they are anywhere near as loaded as our '83 team was - and a chance to finally see how they stack up v very good FCS competition (including the better CAA teams). They seem eager to play. When the PL champ is not very good at all (last year, for example, when 5-6 Lehigh backed in via auto-bid and was predictably crushed first round) the tournament might seem like a waste of time from a PL perspective. That last point is an important one. Last year was very strange in the way Lehigh got its auto-bid. That is clearly not what typically happens and Colgate can represent the PL quite well, IMHO. I watched Delaware vs Villanova and they have some really talented players, so we'll see. If 9-1 Colgate gets run out of town (as some CAA fans think will happen) then that shows just how weak the PL Is. I agree. Colgate this year is a very good PL representative. The best I can recall over the last several years. Last year I (and just about anyone else who bothered) predicted a one-sided debacle in favor of fleet-footed SBU in the opening round v Lehigh and it certainly worked out that way (59-29 and it could have been worse) . It was understood the PL was pretty weak before and after that game. I wouldn't make that same prediction for a strong Colgate squad up in Hamilton in early December. Delaware could very well beat JMU this year (JMU has lost two CAA games and squeaked by in another). I do think JMU (if the weather is half decent) would be the tougher matchup for Colgate.
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Post by gks on Nov 20, 2018 7:53:39 GMT -5
Just something about 6 CAA teams seems a bit much....the bracket (24 teams) is about twice as large as it should be imo....one of many issues I have with the FCS playoff format. Eight would be a good number. Then again NCAA makes all of their tournaments too large.
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