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Post by cfrivals on Dec 27, 2018 9:42:21 GMT -5
Bucknell looked pretty impressive against UNLV and I think they are the team to beat. HC should finish in top four, but will need more than 6 players to knock off Bucky
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2018 10:01:18 GMT -5
Well HC has seven regular players now and two more injured. Where did you get the number 6?
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Post by possum on Dec 27, 2018 10:08:46 GMT -5
RGS who are the 9 players you are referring to, with Niego healthy I see 7 players that Carmody has confidence in any others might come in for a cameo appearance but are certainly not part of the regular rotation.
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 27, 2018 10:20:13 GMT -5
Starting five and Benzen. Team will miss Niego hopefully he is back by feb. Not counting on le San and Ziggy but really disappointed in Copeland and lack of any development on two Frosh.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 27, 2018 10:22:10 GMT -5
Bucknell looked pretty impressive against UNLV and I think they are the team to beat. HC should finish in top four, but will need more than 6 players to knock off Bucky Bucknell was unconscious shooting 3s against UNLV; if they do that in any game, they will be tough to beat. HC will be tough to beat also - that's why they play the game!
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2018 10:22:27 GMT -5
Grandison Butler Green Floyd Faw Benzan LeSann Niego (toe) Copeland (back)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 27, 2018 10:25:22 GMT -5
RGS who are the 9 players you are referring to, with Niego healthy I see 7 players that Carmody has confidence in any others might come in for a cameo appearance but are certainly not part of the regular rotation. We all know the seven. I guess the hope is that one or two of the following would become solid contributors: (1) Ziggy has been injured-a contributor in the past, we should be able to count on him IF he returns to health; (2) Kyle Copeland--before the season started, Coach said some good things about him and many of us thought he'd see more play. IF he's healthy the extra practices might now have him ready to play more minutes (3) Clayton LeSann-- no health issues that I know of-has had his two big games. Can he develop some consistency (4) Marlon Hargis--- who knows---the real wild card
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Post by sader81 on Dec 27, 2018 10:29:25 GMT -5
What we need is a couple blow out wins where the coach can rotate in the top 10 players to see what they can do in a game situation. Haven't had that luxury. . . . yet!
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Post by possum on Dec 27, 2018 10:58:04 GMT -5
Agree with KY assessment 7 identified contributors with one of them on the shelf for the foreseeable future, all others are huge question marks at this point. With Niego out it would seem that at least one of these players needs to step up as I don't think that the big 4 all playing 37+ minutes as they did in the Siena game is a recipe for success. It seems to me that development of the bench should occur in the OOC schedule, when while winning is still important its not as vital as the conference games. Tough to rely on untested players in conference play.
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2018 12:13:59 GMT -5
Agree with KY assessment 7 identified contributors with one of them on the shelf for the foreseeable future, all others are huge question marks at this point. With Niego out it would seem that at least one of these players needs to step up as I don't think that the big 4 all playing 37+ minutes as they did in the Siena game is a recipe for success. It seems to me that development of the bench should occur in the OOC schedule, when while winning is still important its not as vital as the conference games. Tough to rely on untested players in conference play. Not only is 37minutes a game an issue, but those back of the bench guys need to be pushing the starters in practice to make them better
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2018 12:45:19 GMT -5
I have not seen a practice, but I hear that is exactly what happens with players 6 through 10 pushing the starting 5 (and then switching to play with the starters at times). Of course, injuries will complicate that but I can remember HCBC speaking about that early on...how the second team does challenge the starters in practice. This has shifted recently, but for the season, here are the average minutes (with JF lower because of his 6 min against URI) - rounded to the nearest full minute: Grandison 35 min Butler 34 min Green 37 min Floyd 28 min Faw 23 min Benzan 25 min Niego 13 min Copeland 6 min LeSann 5 min
Tom and Possum,
I may have misunderstood but on the season, Green is the only one at 37 minutes, so it is not an issue for everyone. In the Siena game, four did hit 37 min (and above) but that was clearly the exception. We need Niego back ASAP and for Copeland to get back to full strength. Starting the PL at Loyola and Navy will show just how good/bad team depth is at this point.
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2018 13:21:57 GMT -5
I Tom and Possum, I may have misunderstood but on the season, Green is the only one at 37 minutes, so it is not an issue for everyone. In the Siena game, four did hit 37 min (and above) but that was clearly the exception. We need Niego back ASAP and for Copeland to get back to full strength. Starting the PL at Loyola and Navy will show just how good/bad team depth is at this point. I threw out the 37 minute number as the same arbitrary number above. My concern is still the same. I'm not as worried about guys getting gassed at the end of the game (it hasn't been happening) as I am worried that the starters being truly pushed in practice by guys that seemingly can't practice themselves into more game minutes. As luck would have it, I can multi-task and enjoy the moment and 8-4 OOC and still be concerned about prospects for March. I've rooted for the Patriots in the 21st and 20th centuries, so I can see both ends of the spectrum
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2018 13:32:12 GMT -5
I Tom and Possum, I may have misunderstood but on the season, Green is the only one at 37 minutes, so it is not an issue for everyone. In the Siena game, four did hit 37 min (and above) but that was clearly the exception. We need Niego back ASAP and for Copeland to get back to full strength. Starting the PL at Loyola and Navy will show just how good/bad team depth is at this point. I threw out the 37 minute number as the same arbitrary number above. My concern is still the same. I'm not as worried about guys getting gassed at the end of the game (it hasn't been happening) as I am worried that the starters being truly pushed in practice by guys that seemingly can't practice themselves into more game minutes. Just. Because the coach thinks that those subs do not deserve significant game time does not necessarily mean that they are not pushing the starters in practice. I have coached many teams where the subs even outplay the starters but still do not merit game time.
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Post by cmo on Dec 27, 2018 13:38:20 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, why would subs outplaying starters not merit more burn during games? Not ready for pressure situations?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 27, 2018 13:39:15 GMT -5
“I have coached many teams where the subs even outplay the starters but still do not merit”
Can you clarify? The subs are better but you don’t start them?
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Post by possum on Dec 27, 2018 13:46:08 GMT -5
RGS I was only referencing 37 minutes for big 4 in Siena game not season average,that being said without Niego 3 of 4 also played 37+ minutes against Canisius with Floyd lower due to foul trouble. I think this will probably be the case going forward until Niego returns.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 27, 2018 13:48:39 GMT -5
I have not seen a practice, but I hear that is exactly what happens with players 6 through 10 pushing the starting 5 (and then switching to play with the starters at times). Of course, injuries will complicate that but I can remember HCBC speaking about that early on...how the second team does challenge the starters in practice. This has shifted recently, but for the season, here are the average minutes (with JF lower because of his 6 min against URI) - rounded to the nearest full minute: Grandison 35 min Butler 34 min Green 37 min Floyd 28 min Faw 23 min Benzan 25 min Niego 13 min Copeland 6 min LeSann 5 min Tom and Possum, I may have misunderstood but on the season, Green is the only one at 37 minutes, so it is not an issue for everyone. In the Siena game, four did hit 37 min (and above) but that was clearly the exception. We need Niego back ASAP and for Copeland to get back to full strength. Starting the PL at Loyola and Navy will show just how good/bad team depth is at this point. Fwiw, the HC starters this year are playing 80.8% of total minutes, per Pomeroy. That is the 5th most of the 351 D1 teams. Of PL teams, American's starters play the second most minutes, i.e. 73.8% of total minutes. Brennan traditionally has his starters play big minutes.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2018 14:46:20 GMT -5
“I have coached many teams where the subs even outplay the starters but still do not merit” Can you clarify? The subs are better but you don’t start them? Sure It did not happen every day, but frequently as the season progressed, the more motivated subs would win the scrimmage vs the starters, who had earned their roles, in both games and practices, since the start of the season or their careers, and would not lose their starting jobs by being defeated in a few practice scrimmages.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 27, 2018 15:32:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. I guess I took your first post that the subs were consistently playing better than the starters, not short term. That the subs had well established they were more accomplished overall. Thought you might have responded that the subs might be outplaying the starters but for the specific upcoming opponents' skillsets the starters would still better than the subs against that opponent.
With your clarification, it makes a lot of sense.
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