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Post by rgs318 on Dec 23, 2018 8:36:43 GMT -5
Massey Rank (12/23):
Rank (Previous) Team (record)
__1 (1) Michigan (12-0)
_48 (66) Providence (10-3)
_95 (85) Rhode Island (5-4)
129 (132) Harvard (5-5)
130 (154) Bucknell (5-5)
135 (143) Stony Brook (11-3)
139 (141) Holy Cross (8-4)
146 (153) Lehigh (7-3)
155 (151) Colgate (8-4)
157 (160) UMass (7-5)
210 (179) Boston University (7-6)
225 (230) Canisius (3-7)
223 (242) American University (6-4)
252 (254) Siena (4-8)
259 (267) Fairleigh Dickinson (5-6)
279 (274) Iona (2-8)
295 (294) Sacred Heart (4-8)
297 (282) Army West Point (5-8)
304 (287) Loyola MD (4-8)
306 (299) Albany (4-9)
308 (292) Navy (3-7)
320 (317) Lafayette (3-8)
Out of 353 D1 colleges
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 23, 2018 10:08:12 GMT -5
Interesting to see Iona ranked below other MAAC schools (such as Canisius and Siena). I believe the Gaels are a more talented team and hope to travel to New Rochelle to see HC play in person on Dec 30.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 23, 2018 10:29:09 GMT -5
Interesting to see Iona ranked so below other MAAC schools (such as Canisius and Siena). I believe the Gaels are a more talented team and hope to travel to New Rochelle to see HC play in person on Dec 30. Yes, surprising - and that ranking looks low. Pomeroy has them at #215, which seems about right. True, they are 2-8 with their only two wins being against bad teams. ;But they have played a generally tough schedule, currently ranked #118 in SOS. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 23, 2018 13:13:23 GMT -5
KenPom has Iona with the #161 offense and #290 defense and the #215 team.
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 23, 2018 17:59:21 GMT -5
Steadily creeping up the rankings!!! I wonder when the last time HC was as high as 139?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 23, 2018 18:11:08 GMT -5
The RW years
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 23, 2018 18:15:08 GMT -5
I saw we were 236 in the beginning of November...Quite a jump!! Well done team!
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Post by bison137 on Dec 23, 2018 18:57:47 GMT -5
Steadily creeping up the rankings!!! I wonder when the last time HC was as high as 139? In 2013-14, HC got as high as #107 in the Pomeroy rankings in early December. Surely were higher than 139 in Massey as well. Then lost five of six - losing to Canisius, Hartford, Michigan, Boston U, and American, all by double figures. Got as low as #187 before rebounding to finish at #158. |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 23, 2018 18:59:09 GMT -5
We have basically taken care of business when we should have. We lost to four pretty good teams. If we can beat Iona on the road, we’ll be in good shape heading into PL play with a good chance to finish the regular season with more than 20 wins and maybe get a non-16 seed when we make it to the Dance.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 24, 2018 8:23:01 GMT -5
Today (12/24) Massey ranks HC at #137. A nice gift for Christmas.
He has Bucknell (5-6) at #142
He ranks Iona (208) at #282.
Loyola MD (4-8) comes in at #304.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 24, 2018 14:23:51 GMT -5
FWIW Sports Reference has us as #101
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Post by bison137 on Dec 24, 2018 14:39:36 GMT -5
FWIW Sports Reference has us as #101 What Sports Reference shows is not a ranking. It merely shows where a school stacks up based solely on W-L pct. A couple of schools in their top ten are Toledo and North Texas, who both have played really bad schedules and have great W-L pcts. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 24, 2018 14:41:40 GMT -5
Thanks, as usual
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 24, 2018 20:58:14 GMT -5
We only have two games left against a team currently ahead of us. Of course these rankings can and will change. Let's hope we only have two more games or less against a team ranked higher than us by Massey.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 24, 2018 23:14:47 GMT -5
We only have two games left against a team currently ahead of us. Of course these rankings can and will change. Let's hope we only have two more games or less against a team ranked higher than us by Massey. The more reliable Pomeroy ranking has Colgate ahead of us as well as Lehigh. (Though I believe that Bucknell is the strongest team to this point) That would mean 4 games vs teams ranked higher. |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 25, 2018 8:22:40 GMT -5
How do you know it is more reliable (since these formulas are relatively arbitrary in all systems)?
I agree about Bucknell being the strongest in the PL at this point. From the complied ranks (30) it seems that most agree with that estimate.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 25, 2018 8:32:13 GMT -5
Isn’t Pomeroy included in Massey’s poll of polls?
If so, management studies have shown that the decisions made by a collective group of individuals is almost always superior to the best individual within that group.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 25, 2018 8:41:14 GMT -5
The most significant ranking for the NCAA tourney is their new NET.
That has Lehigh at 131, Colgate at 136, HC at 155 and Bucknell at 203.
I would be very surprised if that is the final standing.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 25, 2018 9:17:15 GMT -5
Agree. In fact, that’s really the only one that “counts” now.
But my original point remains. IF Pomeroy is included in Massey’s poll, and I don’t have the time to check that, then Massey’s is probably “more correct” or “more accurate.” Note how I put this in quotes because we know on any given day, the ball can drop in or bounce off the rim or take a flukey bounce, a key player sprains an ankle or gets the flu, and why they play the games.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 25, 2018 10:09:47 GMT -5
Isn’t Pomeroy included in Massey’s poll of polls? If so, management studies have shown that the decisions made by a collective group of individuals is almost always superior to the best individual within that group. Pomeroy is included. But this would be the exception that proves the rule - since the studies you cite assume the individuals all are knowledgeable and have an equal amount of information. In this case, Pomeroy does a lot more research and is a lot more credible than most of the rankings in Massey's collective group. A number of them are simply subjective rankings, many times done by people who do little or no research. If you look closely at the rankings, you'll find a few that will make you laugh they are so bad. |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 25, 2018 10:21:26 GMT -5
Isn’t Pomeroy included in Massey’s poll of polls? If so, management studies have shown that the decisions made by a collective group of individuals is almost always superior to the best individual within that group. Yes, it is. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 26, 2018 13:21:51 GMT -5
Things are pretty tight at the top of the Patriot League so far with the top four teams ranked 130-155 in Massey and 143-161 in KenPom. Contrast that with last year (at end of OOC play) in KenPom when Bucknell was heads above the next three: Bucknell #100 (finished #97), Army #160 (finished #264 after an epic collapse), Colgate #192 (finished #202), and Navy #193 (finished # 225).
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2018 7:52:55 GMT -5
Things are pretty tight at the top of the Patriot League so far with the top four teams ranked 130-155 in Massey and 143-161 in KenPom. Contrast that with last year (at end of OOC play) in KenPom when Bucknell was heads above the next three: Bucknell #100 (finished #97), Army #160 (finished #264 after an epic collapse), Colgate #192 (finished #202), and Navy #193 (finished # 225). Not inconsistent with many board predictions that this year would be a real battle for the top spots with no dominant team |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2018 8:05:52 GMT -5
Have seen only Bucknell and HC
Bucknell could threaten to be dominant.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2018 8:07:53 GMT -5
I can remember some great HC/Bucknell matchups under RW. I hope this year's games are as exciting (and also in front of packed houses).
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