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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 9:02:40 GMT -5
Do we have any updates on Niego’s target for return? He continues to wear his boot so hard to tell. Not having him in the rotation really hurts.
I was wondering if it is early/mid February does the staff try and get the extra year and would he be willing to do so?
just a thought...
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2019 9:04:27 GMT -5
Connor has played in 10 games= no medical redshirt
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 9:15:35 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but If we play 34 or more games I think he would qualify-means we get two games or more in PL Tournament or other post season play??
The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 9:17:49 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong I would rather have him on the floor now because he makes this a much better team, and truly like his upside
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 4, 2019 10:17:52 GMT -5
Connor has played in 10 games= no medical redshirt Untrue. Just can't have played in more than 30% of the games in the season. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2019 10:23:51 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but If we play 34 or more games I think he would qualify-means we get two games or more in PL Tournament or other post season play?? The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school. The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury. The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season. The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater. Does that number include post season ? |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 10:29:08 GMT -5
Great question and I don’t know the answer-
I don’t really like the thought of losing him for the year and would love to see him back next week, but only raised it as a possible opportunity for his future development and could be a plus longer term for the program
Heading over to the Navy game on Sunday and will see what I can learn.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 4, 2019 10:30:30 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but If we play 34 or more games I think he would qualify-means we get two games or more in PL Tournament or other post season play?? The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school. The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury. The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season. The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater. Does that number include post season ? Yes. Even if it didn't Niego has played in ten games, and HC plays 31 regular season games. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 4, 2019 10:43:19 GMT -5
Does that number include post season ? Yes. Even if it didn't Niego has played in ten games, and HC plays 31 regular season games. It matters a lot 10 out of 31 is 32 percent which is greater than ten percent. In a disaster scenario that has HC losing a tourney quarterfinal, 10 out of 32 games is also greater than 30. I hope he gets healthy and played this year rendering the point moot. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 4, 2019 10:49:54 GMT -5
Yes. Even if it didn't Niego has played in ten games, and HC plays 31 regular season games. It matters a lot 10 out of 31 is 32 percent which is greater than ten percent. In a disaster scenario that has HC losing a tourney quarterfinal, 10 out of 32 games is also greater than 30. I hope he gets healthy and played this year rendering the point moot. You're better at math than me. |
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Post by Ray on Jan 4, 2019 10:55:54 GMT -5
The injury isn't expected to be season-ending, right?
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Post by Tom on Jan 4, 2019 11:30:54 GMT -5
It matters a lot 10 out of 31 is 32 percent which is greater than ten percent. In a disaster scenario that has HC losing a tourney quarterfinal, 10 out of 32 games is also greater than 30. I hope he gets healthy and played this year rendering the point moot. You're better at math than me. I'll send credit to Fr MacDonnell SJ I never heard anything official, but Crossports said 6 weeks with a broken toe Let's not forget the lessons of last season when a player was out with a bad foot and pushed himself to come back too early. He made it in for a cameo and realized it was a mistake and was back in a boot a few days later |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 4, 2019 11:59:39 GMT -5
You're better at math than me. I'll send credit to Fr MacDonnell SJ I never heard anything official, but Crossports said 6 weeks with a broken toe Let's not forget the lessons of last season when a player was out with a bad foot and pushed himself to come back too early. He made it in for a cameo and realized it was a mistake and was back in a boot a few days later 1. Was that the late, not-so-great Stevens; or someone else? Or Perkins? Or both? 2. Off Topic: Loved Fr. MacDonnell and every math professor I can remember at HC (McCarthy, Noonan, Honest Mel Tews, D+ Dewey) |
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Post by Tom on Jan 4, 2019 12:44:17 GMT -5
I'll send credit to Fr MacDonnell SJ I never heard anything official, but Crossports said 6 weeks with a broken toe Let's not forget the lessons of last season when a player was out with a bad foot and pushed himself to come back too early. He made it in for a cameo and realized it was a mistake and was back in a boot a few days later 1. Was that the late, not-so-great Stevens; or someone else? Or Perkins? Or both? 2. Off Topic: Loved Fr. MacDonnell and every math professor I can remember at HC (McCarthy, Noonan, Honest Mel Tews, D+ Dewey) Stevens (Jack not Jordan) He started the season in a boot. He was itchy to get in and contribute and thought he could make a difference, especially on the glass. He convinced someone he could play through it and made it into one game (at Bucknell?). Hindsight says it was a bad idea Perkins played against Assumption in the exhibition which doesn't really count and never played a real minute last year |
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Post by lou on Jan 4, 2019 12:50:03 GMT -5
I'll send credit to Fr MacDonnell SJ I never heard anything official, but Crossports said 6 weeks with a broken toe Let's not forget the lessons of last season when a player was out with a bad foot and pushed himself to come back too early. He made it in for a cameo and realized it was a mistake and was back in a boot a few days later 2. Off Topic: Loved Fr. MacDonnell and every math professor I can remember at HC (McCarthy, Noonan, Honest Mel Tews, D+ Dewey) Off Off topic but deserves a mention ... my all time favorite: Vincent O. McBrien |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 4, 2019 12:56:42 GMT -5
One of the things Learned as a coach was that the average healing time for a simple fracture is 6 weeks. I wonder if he is working out in the pool to maintain cardio and wind while on the mend?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 4, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5
Not to make too much of this, but it was good to see Copeland and LeSann each get 6 minutes of playing time. KC had 2 rebounds and a deflection and did not look out of place o defense. LeSann was 1 of 2 hitting a 3 pointer. I hope we are comfortable enough for them to get more time against Navy.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 4, 2019 13:01:07 GMT -5
Where but Crossports would a thread on medical red shirts digress into a discussion about people's favorite math professors? Bet this doesn't even happen on Ivy League boards.  |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 4, 2019 13:49:28 GMT -5
Re: injured players coming back too soon, risking injury, and perhaps jeopardizing red shirt option, isn’t it possible to find out in practice sessions whether the player is ready for prime time?
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Post by bison137 on Jan 4, 2019 13:57:38 GMT -5
Does that number include post season ? Yes. Even if it didn't Niego has played in ten games, and HC plays 31 regular season games. It only includes one postseason game - even if a team ends up playing 8 or ten in the postseason. So the number for the formula for HC would be 32 games. Since they round up, 10 games would be the max to still qualify for a medical hardship waiver - 32 games x 30% = 9.6, rounded up to ten. Of course for that to apply, it has to be a season-ending injury, with appropriate medical documentation. |
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Post by bison137 on Jan 4, 2019 14:00:36 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but If we play 34 or more games I think he would qualify-means we get two games or more in PL Tournament or other post season play?? See my post above. Only one postseason game counts for the formula. |
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Post by bison137 on Jan 4, 2019 14:25:53 GMT -5
Yes. Even if it didn't Niego has played in ten games, and HC plays 31 regular season games. It only includes one postseason game - even if a team ends up playing 8 or ten in the postseason. So the number for the formula for HC would be 32 games. Since they round up, 10 games would be the max to still qualify for a medical hardship waiver - 32 games x 30% = 9.6, rounded up to ten. Of course for that to apply, it has to be a season-ending injury, with appropriate medical documentation. Btw, some may recall Laura Aloisi on the HC team a decade ago. She got injured in December and missed the rest of the season. HC announced she had been granted a medical hardship waiver to give her an extra year of eligibility. The only problem was that HC used an incorrect number of games in the formula by including all four of their postseason games, and the PL approved the waiver without checking. Then someone pointed out to the league that she didn't qualify, and HC had to reverse course. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 4, 2019 15:06:41 GMT -5
Yes. Even if it didn't Niego has played in ten games, and HC plays 31 regular season games. It only includes one postseason game - even if a team ends up playing 8 or ten in the postseason. So the number for the formula for HC would be 32 games. Since they round up, 10 games would be the max to still qualify for a medical hardship waiver - 32 games x 30% = 9.6, rounded up to ten. Of course for that to apply, it has to be a season-ending injury, with appropriate medical documentation. You are normally right on top of rules, but if efg's rule was correctly worded It seems to me when you use phrases like not more than, you don't get to round. You applied it by number of potential games coming up with 9.6 - and obviously there's no such thing as .6 games, but 10 is still more than 30 percent. Is this your read on the rule, or have you seen it put in practice as you cited? |
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Post by bison137 on Jan 4, 2019 17:35:49 GMT -5
It only includes one postseason game - even if a team ends up playing 8 or ten in the postseason. So the number for the formula for HC would be 32 games. Since they round up, 10 games would be the max to still qualify for a medical hardship waiver - 32 games x 30% = 9.6, rounded up to ten. Of course for that to apply, it has to be a season-ending injury, with appropriate medical documentation. You are normally right on top of rules, but if efg's rule was correctly worded It seems to me when you use phrases like not more than, you don't get to round. You applied it by number of potential games coming up with 9.6 - and obviously there's no such thing as .6 games, but 10 is still more than 30 percent. Is this your read on the rule, or have you seen it put in practice as you cited? My posts were 100% correct. Some of the other things that were posted are just general summaries, as opposed to the exact rule. The exact rule specifically says to round up and it specifically says that you are allowed only one postseason game. I have seen the rule applied like this dozens of times. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 4, 2019 18:03:03 GMT -5
I have seen the rule applied like this dozens of times. Thank you |
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