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Jan 13, 2019 9:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Jan 13, 2019 9:23:25 GMT -5
Not sure if I’ve ever started a thread on the hoops board, but I just want to see what others feel about the entirely new dimension we’ve seen in JF’s game - slashing, spinning, athletic, undefendable, NBA-caliber drives to the basket where he either scores, gets fouled, or both. Ladies and gentleman, if this can be fully harnessed, effectively immediately HC basketball will not only win out in the PL, but crush the PL, and have a chance to progress in the post-season. There is no player in this league who can defend him. There’s only a few months left to cash in on JF’s dominant presence and, as dominant as he has already been, I will go out on a limb to say his gifts have not yet been fully exploited. Will be very tough to offfset his loss next season with the available roster.
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Jan 13, 2019 9:34:38 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jan 13, 2019 9:34:38 GMT -5
Definitely one of my favorite HC players in a long time. If he could take and make that open foul line jumper a few times a game, he’d be completely unstoppable. He’s pretty close as it is.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 9:36:25 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Jan 13, 2019 9:36:25 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you said, Joe. Of course, HC won't have this roster, every player will have developed for an additional year (starting with the improving lay of Matt Fat). Yes, it is tough to place a player of JF's abilities, but look where he was a year ago. When I saw him in Belfast, I could see an obvious difference and a big improvement and that improvement has continued. Is he the only player who develops in a year? Also, with at least two talented (and tall) guards coming in, the "current" roster won't have to do it alone. That is why the best time to speculate about talent is one year at a time.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 13, 2019 9:36:44 GMT -5
I think a lot depends on the guys in the stripes. In the last 2 games he made it to the half with 0 fouls. Huge factor imho.
He just continues to amaze. It's gotten to where some of the opposing players seem totally spooked when they get near him.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 9:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jan 13, 2019 9:48:08 GMT -5
I think a lot depends on the guys in the stripes. In the last 2 games he made it to the half with 0 fouls. Huge factor imho. He just continues to amaze. It's gotten to where some of the opposing players seem totally spooked when they get near him. Hopefully Carmody is preaching restraint early in the game. Definitely makes him even scarier when he doesn’t have foul trouble.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 9:48:40 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 13, 2019 9:48:40 GMT -5
Good thread, Joe.
He may well go down as one of the dominant players in the PL history. He would be that much better if he could be more consistent at the free throw line. I got pretty excited with his multiple consecutive FTs in the 1st half of the Lehigh game.
His best “show” yesterday was the 360 degree spinning lay-up even better than his tomahawk dunks.
Does he have NBA talent?
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 9:55:29 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 13, 2019 9:55:29 GMT -5
Let's focus on this season, and worry about next season down the road.
This being said, I do believe that Floyd definitely has NBA skills and will get long looks from teams.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 13, 2019 10:09:24 GMT -5
I agree about NBA looks. After all, in the NBA rules are often just "suggestions" and a fan favorite gets things called less frequently. That might be just perfect for him. It would be great to see him and Malcom in the NBA.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 10:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 13, 2019 10:12:29 GMT -5
Good thread, Joe. He may well go down as one of the dominant players in the PL history. He would be that much better if he could be more consistent at the free throw line. I got pretty excited with his multiple consecutive FTs in the 1st half of the Lehigh game. His best “show” yesterday was the 360 degree spinning lay-up even better than his tomahawk dunks. Does he have NBA talent? I'd have to guess that the most dominant, with no one even close in second place, would be Adonal Foyle.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 10:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Jan 13, 2019 10:13:24 GMT -5
Bucknell has a bunch of big guys. Jehyve will face a big test tomorrow. As NAD said fouls are his biggest challenge. Lehigh positioned a defender waiting for the spin move. It worked, he fouled. But yesterday was fun! Lafayette had no chance against him. He's improving every night
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 10:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Jan 13, 2019 10:24:02 GMT -5
Good thread, Joe. He may well go down as one of the dominant players in the PL history. He would be that much better if he could be more consistent at the free throw line. I got pretty excited with his multiple consecutive FTs in the 1st half of the Lehigh game. His best “show” yesterday was the 360 degree spinning lay-up even better than his tomahawk dunks. Does he have NBA talent? Unless he grows about 3” in the next few months, I suspect he is a long shot to make the NBA. Perhaps he can make a living playing hoops elsewhere than the NBA. My guess is he is about 6’ 6” and at that size, I don’t see how a game totally centered on the paint is going to cut it in the NBA.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 13, 2019 10:47:07 GMT -5
Oh, BTW, JF went up pre-game to have a farewell talk and hug to outgoing AD, Nate Pine. Body language was that they have a close relationship . . . . unless Jehvye was just saying goodbye on behalf of the team (he went solo).
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 10:52:27 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Jan 13, 2019 10:52:27 GMT -5
That's my same concern (inside only game) though I do believe if he is not his listed 6'8", it is very close to that, not the 6'6" you state though I was one of the one's that joked with his haircut, he could be 3" shorter. I think the elongator was a Milan Brown device that he took with him when he left. Both Caleb and Pat B are their listed heights from what I've seen. The days of our really short (and "stretched") guards seems over (AT and JB). One possible exception is Austin who might be stretched an inch or two on the programs from reality.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 11:18:39 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Jan 13, 2019 11:18:39 GMT -5
As I've written before, Jameel Warney ('16) of Stony Brook (officially measured at 6'7" pre draft...although listed as 6'8" in college) ) is a great comparator for NBA possibilities. Tremendous physical and athletic similarities. Also a physical mismatch in his league (AE - similar league at the top end to PL).
Paint-scorer-only in college (better scorer than JF, did have a decent off-hand and a little jumper inside the foul line once in a while).
Last 3-4 years has played NBA developmental league, Europe, and a few 10-day NBA pro contracts.
This is how he played as a senior in college: (AE finals and a couple of other games v good competition):
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 11:23:18 GMT -5
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Post by classof83 on Jan 13, 2019 11:23:18 GMT -5
I thought the best JF play yesterday was the reverse lay-up he put in with his right hand.
At this point in his career at HC , if he could feel more comfortable with his right hand, it would open up his game for the rest of the season.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 11:24:10 GMT -5
Post by classof83 on Jan 13, 2019 11:24:10 GMT -5
I thought the best JF play yesterday was the reverse lay-up he put in with his right hand.
At this point in his career at HC , if he could feel more comfortable with his right hand, it would open up his game for the rest of the season.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 11:35:31 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Jan 13, 2019 11:35:31 GMT -5
NBA might be a stretch for Jehyve. But he certainly could follow Torey's journey for a terrific pro career. But first let's beat Bucknell tomorrow.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 11:36:51 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 13, 2019 11:36:51 GMT -5
As I've written before, Jameel Warney ('16) of Stony Brook (officially measured at 6'7" pre draft...although listed as 6'8" in college) ) is a great comparator for NBA possibilities. Tremendous physical and athletic similarities. Also a physical mismatch in his league (AE - similar league at the top end to PL). Paint-scorer-only in college (better scorer than JF, did have a decent off-hand and a little jumper inside the foul line once in a while). Last 3-4 years has played NBA developmental league, Europe, and a few 10-day NBA pro contracts. This is how he played as a senior in college: (AE finals and a couple of other games v good competition): That's one impressive ballplayer, both in the highlight video and in his stats: scored 2,000+ points, big rebounder, committed very few fouls, .594 from the floor and .589 from the line.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 11:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jan 13, 2019 11:53:42 GMT -5
Floyd hopefully can continue his terrific play, but neither Lehigh nor Lafayette defended him effectively. As was mentioned, Bucknell and others who wee these last two game tapes, will be physical with him on defense and offense, trying to draw fouls and doubling him in the low post. In the high and side posts, They also may pressure him on his left hand to both cut down his fine passing and stop him from his first left hand dribble, making him dribble initially with his right hand. It will be harder to get him the frequent scoring opportunities he has received the last two games.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 12:17:45 GMT -5
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Post by Crosser on Jan 13, 2019 12:17:45 GMT -5
JF made one nice drive to the hoop yesterday from the foul line - all right handed! It surprised me a little.
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Jan 13, 2019 12:18:23 GMT -5
Post by possum on Jan 13, 2019 12:18:23 GMT -5
I love JF and think he has a great chance to be PL POY but that being said his game does not translate to the next level. He has no shot from more than three feet from the basket, is not a dominant rebounder and while a great in the paint and off the ball defender I'm not sure he could defend NBA caliber players on the perimeter. I think at this point of his development the chances that he develops any type of face up jump shot is remote. I can't think of one NBA player his size that has no perimeter game. The only NBA player I can even think of who succeeded with JF's offensive skill set was Rodman who was a dominant rebounder and could defend against any player in the league.
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Jan 13, 2019 12:58:55 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 13, 2019 12:58:55 GMT -5
Yesterday was only the third game this year in which Floyd had more field goal attempts than Butler. Insanity.
He has turned into an outstanding player, and will be sorely missed next year and beyond.
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JF
Jan 13, 2019 13:23:48 GMT -5
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Post by notjuanjones on Jan 13, 2019 13:23:48 GMT -5
I love JF and think he has a great chance to be PL POY but that being said his game does not translate to the next level. He has no shot from more than three feet from the basket, is not a dominant rebounder and while a great in the paint and off the ball defender I'm not sure he could defend NBA caliber players on the perimeter. I think at this point of his development the chances that he develops any type of face up jump shot is remote. I can't think of one NBA player his size that has no perimeter game. The only NBA player I can even think of who succeeded with JF's offensive skill set was Rodman who was a dominant rebounder and could defend against any player in the league. JF will definitely play professionally for several years. Will it be in the NBA? I'd say not likely. And that's not any kind of criticism of the young man. The NBA is for the absolute best players in the world, and while JF is a really good mid-major college player, I don't think he has NBA-level skills, with one exception-I do think he's an elite level shot-blocker. The NBA's evolution to a league that is almost exclusively about shooting threes has meant its big men have to either a) become adept at shooting threes themselves, something we haven't seen JF do, or b) be an exceptional rim protector and runner, like Houston's Clint Capela, who sprints every possession down the middle of the floor to catch lobs from James Harden and Chris Paul. But: Capela is also seven feet tall, and JF is not. We'll have to see how effective JF would be playing against grown men who are much older/stronger than he is. Again, I think he'll get paid to hoop for a long time. It just won't be domestically.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 13, 2019 14:39:40 GMT -5
Yesterday was only the third game this year in which Floyd had more field goal attempts than Butler. Insanity. He has turned into an outstanding player, and will be sorely missed next year and beyond. Austin Butler had two horrendous shooting games --versus Providence and Michigan, two pretty good teams-- that I'm afraid color so many posters opinions about his play. Note that JF went 4-11 in those two games. Other than those two games (which I acknowledge must be taken into account in assessing his year-long performance) Austin, while playing hurt in many games, is shooting .547 on twos and .426 on threes. I think most coaches would be happy to have their players with such percentages take a lot of shots. I agree that we should go to JF over and over, but let's not suggest that AB is not a good option when it comes to scoring.
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Jan 13, 2019 14:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 13, 2019 14:55:08 GMT -5
Yesterday was only the third game this year in which Floyd had more field goal attempts than Butler. Insanity. He has turned into an outstanding player, and will be sorely missed next year and beyond. Austin Butler had two horrendous shooting games --versus Providence and Michigan, two pretty good teams-- that I'm afraid color so many posters opinions about his play. Note that JF went 4-11 in those two games. Other than those two games (which I acknowledge must be taken into account in assessing his year-long performance) Austin, while playing hurt in many games, is shooting .547 on twos and .426 on threes. I think most coaches would be happy to have their players with such percentages take a lot of shots. I agree that we should go to JF over and over, but let's not suggest that AB is not a good option when it comes to scoring. He also has more turnovers than assists. He and Faw are the only two regulars on the team who have that stat line. Everyone else has an A:TO ratio of at least 2:1. The biggest issue is that the offense does not flow well when it’s going through him because he’s looking to shoot first, drive second, pass third. He’s our 4th or 5th best offensive player, and therefore should not be getting the 2nd most shots.
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