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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 31, 2019 20:18:45 GMT -5
This a weird obsession / thing you have going for Tim Cluess. Maybe he had too much success on LI when he was coaching high school hoops out there? Bad apples come and go from every program. Lest we forget that four members of the HC basketball team were bounced from the program in consecutive seasons. I’m not sure tbat one kid being an idiot at Iona all of a sudden makes Cluess such a bad guy. It wasn’t long ago at Fordham, when Tom Pecora was the coach, that he took a transfer from Bridgeport U who was arrested for possession of a weapon — nypost.com/2012/10/16/former-city-star-samuell-in-jail-for-possession-of-a-weapon/
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 31, 2019 23:49:15 GMT -5
The University of San Francisco might offer hope to Fordham. They languished for a while but have won 20 or more games the last three seasons. They have an older gym, but they have a great location like Fordham to balance that in the recruiting wars. You have to think some recruits would choose SF or NYC over Detroit, St. Louis or Amherst.
Stay the course in the A-10. That league membership is another recruiting advantage to balance the gym. How could you improve by moving to a lower league and taking yourself out of competition for some better players?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 1, 2019 7:14:40 GMT -5
The University of San Francisco might offer hope to Fordham. They languished for a while but have won 20 or more games the last three seasons. They have an older gym, but they have a great location like Fordham to balance that in the recruiting wars. You have to think some recruits would choose SF or NYC over Detroit, St. Louis or Amherst. Stay the course in the A-10. That league membership is another recruiting advantage to balance the gym. How could you improve by moving to a lower league and taking yourself out of competition for some better players? So, you don't think that 20+ years of absolute embarrassment don't prove that the A10 is a horrible fit for Fordham? What do you see changing in the future to change Fordham's fortunes?
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Apr 10, 2019 13:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 10, 2019 13:23:37 GMT -5
Nick Honor, who is apparently Fordham’s best player, is transferring. Things not getting better at Rose Hill.
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Post by cfrivals on Apr 10, 2019 14:31:50 GMT -5
Why are we worried about Fordham? We have a ton of problems with the good Ole HC.
Let’s not talk conference failure, have you checked our last 12 years?
Questionable recruiting? 4 players dismissed in 2 years, scholarships given to too many non D1 caliber players
We have just as much if not more problems with our BB programs than Fordham!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 10, 2019 14:40:28 GMT -5
Nick Honor, who is apparently Fordham’s best player, is transferring. Things not getting better at Rose Hill. They need to decide whether to take the Red Pill (hire Pitino) or the Blue Pill (join the PL).
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Apr 10, 2019 15:09:48 GMT -5
Post by bigfan on Apr 10, 2019 15:09:48 GMT -5
Fordham should stay in the A-10, why drop down to the Patriot League. If you think they can't recruit in the A-10 imagine who they would recruit in the PL.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 10, 2019 15:23:57 GMT -5
Fordham should stay in the A-10, why drop down to the Patriot League. If you think they can't recruit in the A-10 imagine who they would recruit in the PL. Then maybe they should move up instead---Big 10 or ACC??
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Fordham
Apr 10, 2019 16:32:03 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 10, 2019 16:32:03 GMT -5
The University of San Francisco might offer hope to Fordham. They languished for a while but have won 20 or more games the last three seasons. They have an older gym, but they have a great location like Fordham to balance that in the recruiting wars. You have to think some recruits would choose SF or NYC over Detroit, St. Louis or Amherst. Stay the course in the A-10. That league membership is another recruiting advantage to balance the gym. How could you improve by moving to a lower league and taking yourself out of competition for some better players? So, you don't think that 20+ years of absolute embarrassment don't prove that the A10 is a horrible fit for Fordham? What do you see changing in the future to change Fordham's fortunes? How can you be sure that Fordham's lack of success for the past 20 years was due to the A10 and not by making four lousy coaching hires? It's the same thing at Holy Cross. It wouldn't matter if we were in the PL, A10, Big East, or ACC -- if we hired the same three duds who were selected in the last three coaching searches, we would not be successful. I don't follow how Fordham's failure to hire good coaches (the last three have not had another head coaching job after leaving Fordham, so that should tell you everything you need to know about them) would be solved by them being in the PL versus the A10. San Francisco is a great example. There lack of success was not due to being in the WCC, but rather a bunch of poor coaching decisions. They finally made a good coaching hire when they brought in Kyle Smith, and have since won 20+ games three years in a row.
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Apr 10, 2019 16:53:44 GMT -5
Post by rf1 on Apr 10, 2019 16:53:44 GMT -5
Nick Honor, who is apparently Fordham’s best player, is transferring. Things not getting better at Rose Hill.
They never seem to ever get a break. Honer was by far their best player. It really has to be hard for anyone to be a fan of Fordham hoops. Seems hopeless.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 11, 2019 5:46:13 GMT -5
I've always wondered if Fordham would have stayed in the PL for hoops if the league had scholarships in basketball from the get go (like they should have!!). And, if Fairfield might have followed suit and joined (and kept football).
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Fordham
Apr 11, 2019 7:36:17 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2019 7:36:17 GMT -5
Would you take Fordham and Fairfield over Loyola and BU?
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Post by hchoops on Apr 11, 2019 7:46:48 GMT -5
In a heartbeat
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Fordham
Apr 15, 2019 18:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 15, 2019 18:13:04 GMT -5
I've always wondered if Fordham would have stayed in the PL for hoops if the league had scholarships in basketball from the get go (like they should have!!). And, if Fairfield might have followed suit and joined (and kept football). How did the end up getting invited to the A-10? That's quite a jump from a NON-SCHOLARSHIP Patriot League.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 15, 2019 18:26:17 GMT -5
The answer is in the first 2 letters of your screen name
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Apr 15, 2019 19:50:43 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Apr 15, 2019 19:50:43 GMT -5
I had forgotten FU had to play a game after winning the PL in 1991...it wasn't considered an NCAA play-in game then. The 6 lowest ranked conferences had to participate in them. Fordham lost to SF PA and then went to the NIT. Was this the only year that was done?
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Apr 15, 2019 20:29:11 GMT -5
Post by CHC8485 on Apr 15, 2019 20:29:11 GMT -5
Had to do with the time the conference existed.
Believe the criteria for an autobid in basketball today is at least 6 teams playing together for 8 years. Believe in the early 90s it was only 2 years.
You may recall that the old Big East was rumored to be breaking up for a number of years before it actually happened. I believe it was a 5 year rule at that time and only 5 of the original members (PC, SHU, SJU, Nova, & G’town) did not sponsor FBS football. If they left the football schools before they had 5 years with other “basketball” schools they would have lost the autobid. So they held their noses and hung with the football schools until they had 5 years with enough “basketball only” schools to create a new conference. As soon as they did, they broke away.
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Apr 16, 2019 7:27:51 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2019 7:27:51 GMT -5
I had forgotten FU had to play a game after winning the PL in 1991...it wasn't considered an NCAA play-in game then. The 6 lowest ranked conferences had to participate in them. Fordham lost to SF PA and then went to the NIT. Was this the only year that was done? My recollection has nothing to do being a lower ranked conferences. I thought it was about being a "new" conference. 1991 was the first year of Patriot League basketball and as such the league didn't have an automatic bid.
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Apr 16, 2019 7:31:28 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2019 7:31:28 GMT -5
I've always wondered if Fordham would have stayed in the PL for hoops if the league had scholarships in basketball from the get go (like they should have!!). And, if Fairfield might have followed suit and joined (and kept football). How did the end up getting invited to the A-10? That's quite a jump from a NON-SCHOLARSHIP Patriot League. Kind of non-scholarship. Their first year in the A-10, I assume they still had seniors on scholarship as did HC. I don't know how long it took from invitation to actually playing, but it was definitely during a transition period
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Apr 16, 2019 8:56:10 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Apr 16, 2019 8:56:10 GMT -5
HC's last season with basketball scholarships was 1992-3 (Powell, Mashburn, Breslin, Walker, Farkas were seniors).
Fordham's last year in the PL was 1994-5. Unless they were under a different set of parameters (entirely possible), the Rams' basketball scholarships were long gone.
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Apr 16, 2019 11:16:00 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2019 11:16:00 GMT -5
HC's last season with basketball scholarships was 1992-3 (Powell, Mashburn, Breslin, Walker, Farkas were seniors). Fordham's last year in the PL was 1994-5. Unless they were under a different set of parameters (entirely possible), the Rams' basketball scholarships were long gone. My bad memory. I thought they bolted after their 1992 win
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Apr 16, 2019 16:47:39 GMT -5
Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 16, 2019 16:47:39 GMT -5
I'm almost certain Fordham was the last to give up the schollies, having them at least one year longer than HC, maybe more.
Got my old Street & Smith's mag out from 95-96, the Rams first year in the A-10. Names like Rob Baxter (scrappy guard, if I recall), David Mascia (who transferred in from LSU, I think), John Henry, Billy Lovett (St Anthony's kid). Maybe their senior class was schollie (?).That was a real transition year for the A-10 -in addition to Fordham, LaSalle, Dayton, Xavier and Virginia Tech came in, while Rutgers and West Virginia left for the Big East.
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Apr 16, 2019 16:59:45 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Apr 16, 2019 16:59:45 GMT -5
Dave Mascia was one of Long Island’s (Lynbrook) all time high scorers, over 2000 points, among whom is a guy named Jim Brown. Mascia did begin at LSU with S. O’Neill. Mascia’s brother, Dan, played for St. John’s.
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Apr 16, 2019 17:05:32 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Apr 16, 2019 17:05:32 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Apr 16, 2019 18:45:36 GMT -5
Dave Mascia was one of Long Island’s (Lynbrook) all time high scorers, over 2000 points, among whom is a guy named Jim Brown. Mascia did begin at LSU with S. O’Neill. Mascia’s brother, Dan, played for St. John’s. What future baseball Hall of Famer broke Jim Brown's Long Island career scoring record in hs hoops.
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