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Post by longsuffering on Jul 27, 2019 23:28:14 GMT -5
Re: Holy Cross losing $$$ on athletics, how much did HC earn in profit on plays or other open-to-the-public events? Well, there was that one musical optioned to Broadway for 2.5 mil.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 28, 2019 15:54:40 GMT -5
As this board is well aware, UConn was part of the projected Big East lineup that was to have included Boston College, Georgetown, Holy Cross, Rutgers, St. John's, and Syracuse. A story from that time indicated that UConn has been voted in by the other athletic directors but the school had not confirmed it. With the announcement pending at the spring ECAC meetings that week, Dave Gavitt needed an answer--was UConn in or out?
It turns out the school's acting president, Edward Gant, was out of town and inaccessible by phone. Down to the wire, athletic director John Toner called Gavitt and said UConn was in. The president never made the call. The new president took office July 1 and accepted it as such.
Obviously, Ron Perry never got to make such a call at HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2019 22:24:17 GMT -5
Was their any hint of interest in HC when the new Catholic non-FBS Big East formed?
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Post by HC92 on Jul 28, 2019 22:29:41 GMT -5
Was their any hint of interest in HC when the new Catholic non-FBS Big East formed? Not outside of Crossports.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2019 22:36:32 GMT -5
I love Crossports. It's always sunny in Philadelphia, and always a sunny outlook for HC on Crossports.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 30, 2019 18:11:25 GMT -5
Was their any hint of interest in HC when the new Catholic non-FBS Big East formed? Once it became clear Notre Dame wasnt staying around, they basically flipped a coin between us and Butler.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 30, 2019 18:55:33 GMT -5
Mystery solved. Butler did it.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 1, 2019 19:36:59 GMT -5
Was their any hint of interest in HC when the new Catholic non-FBS Big East formed? Once it became clear Notre Dame wasnt staying around, they basically flipped a coin between us and Butler. Of course that didn't happen. In 2013, Butler was coming off back to back Final Fours, had 27 wins in 2012-13 and was averaging 7,500 a game in a 9,000 seat field house with the best young coach in America, Brad Stevens. HC was in year three of the Milan Brown era, with a 12-18 record and average attendance of around 1,500 a game. The Butler story is illustrative in another way. Had Butler stayed in the Horizon league, there was about as much chance getting of a Big East invite as Detroit. But they moved up to the A-10 and got noticed. Same too for Xavier, which migrated out of the obscurity of the Horizon for success in the A-10 and then the Big East. If Holy Cross was ever serious about an upward move from basketball (and to be fair, the College leadership probably isn't), it would have sought an upward move for its program years ago so that it would have at least been in the conversation during nearly two decades of realignment upheaval. Instead, it's content in the Patriot, where the expectations are kept low.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2019 6:43:31 GMT -5
Was their any hint of interest in HC when the new Catholic non-FBS Big East formed? I was told that Fr. B approached Jack DiGioia (his former boss) about HC joining, and DiGioia supposedly replied 'there was little interest by the other member schools in having HC join.' This was at a time that DiGioia was chasing Richmond, before settling on Butler. HC's problem was that HC had played very few or no games against most of the NBE schools. Providence being the exception. There was no historic relationship, and HC offered very little, other than being another mouth to feed. Might have been different in HC was located in Chestnut Hill.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 2, 2019 7:03:21 GMT -5
If you mean no or few games vs most of the original NBE recently, you are correct. If you mean ever, you may be statistically correct with the “most”. But I think that “no historic relationship” is a bit off with three. We Have played St. John’s(33 games): G’town (20 games) and Seton Hall.(24) i believe that is far more than Butler, Marquette, Creighton, DePaul or Xavier had.played.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 2, 2019 7:38:34 GMT -5
Was their any hint of interest in HC when the new Catholic non-FBS Big East formed? I was told that Fr. B approached Jack DiGioia (his former boss) about HC joining, and DiGioia supposedly replied 'there was little interest by the other member schools in having HC join.' This was at a time that DiGioia was chasing Richmond, before settling on Butler. HC's problem was that HC had played very few or no games against most of the NBE schools. Providence being the exception. There was no historic relationship, and HC offered very little, other than being another mouth to feed. Might have been different in HC was located in Chestnut Hill. My hot coffee did a little jump when I read "other than another mouth to feed."☺️. You've been blessed with the three "F's" of public speaking: Facts, Figures and Funny.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 2, 2019 7:41:58 GMT -5
If you mean no games vs most of the original NBE recently, you are correct. If you mean ever, you may be statistically correct with the “most”. But I think that “no historic relationship” is a bit off with three. We Have played St. John’s(33 games): G’town (20 games) and Seton Hall.(24) i believe that is far more than Butler, Marquette, Creighton, DePaul or Xavier had.played. He means in this century, I believe. But the century is young and we have a new young head coach.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 2, 2019 7:46:27 GMT -5
If you mean no games vs most of the original NBE recently, you are correct. If you mean ever, you may be statistically correct with the “most”. But I think that “no historic relationship” is a bit off with three. We Have played St. John’s(33 games): G’town (20 games) and Seton Hall.(24) i believe that is far more than Butler, Marquette, Creighton, DePaul or Xavier had.played. He means in this century, I believe. Usually the word “historic” goes beyond 19 years, or to be exact 13.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 2, 2019 7:54:35 GMT -5
He means in this century, I believe. Usually the word “historic” goes beyond 19 years, or to be exact 13. True, I also liked your line "Where are you getting your misinformation?". Can't wait to use that in my next friendly disagreement.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2019 8:18:15 GMT -5
Creighton 2x, last in 1956 DePaul 2x, last in 1953 Georgetown 20x, last in 1980 Marquette 4x, last in 2003 Providence 69x, last in 2019 St. John's 23x, last in 2012 Seton Hall 24x, last in 1987 Villanova 3x, last in 1968 Xavier 3x, last in 1981
Six games against Providence in the last 27 years.
Rivalries against Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova began in the 1920s.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 2, 2019 8:25:21 GMT -5
Creighton 2x, last in 1956 DePaul 2x, last in 1953 Georgetown 20x, last in 1980 Marquette 4x, last in 2003 Providence 69x, last in 2019 St. John's 23x, last in 2012 Seton Hall 24x, last in 1987 Villanova 3x, last in 1968 Xavier 3x, last in 1981 Six games against Providence in the last 27 years. Rivalries against Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova began in the 1920s. You used the word “historic”, not I.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2019 8:45:14 GMT -5
Those who matriculated under the Ratio Studiorum sometimes take refuge in the QED for usage.
"Origin [of historic] Early 17th century (in the sense ‘relating to or in accordance with history’): via Latin from Greek historikos"
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Post by rf1 on Aug 2, 2019 9:24:43 GMT -5
Creighton 2x, last in 1956 DePaul 2x, last in 1953 Georgetown 20x, last in 1980 Marquette 4x, last in 2003 Providence 69x, last in 2019 St. John's 23x, last in 2012 Seton Hall 24x, last in 1987 Villanova 3x, last in 1968 Xavier 3x, last in 1981 Six games against Providence in the last 27 years. Rivalries against Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova began in the 1920s.
That is not many games and really not much common history when all the schools are considered. Even non Catholic state school URI has played all but three (Georgetown/Marquette/Seton hall) of these teams equally or more than Holy Cross. The Crusaders have played the above in 150 games while URI has met them 213 times.
URI HISTORY
TEAMS | GAMES | LAST Creighton | 2 | 2017 Depaul | 6 | 2006 Georgetown | 5 | 1963 Marquette | 1 | 1979 Providence | 130 | 2018 St. John's | 31 | 1980 Seton Hall | 9 | 2017 Villanova | 7 | 2008 Xavier | 22 | 2013
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Post by JRGNYR on Aug 2, 2019 11:45:10 GMT -5
Was their any hint of interest in HC when the new Catholic non-FBS Big East formed? I was told that Fr. B approached Jack DiGioia (his former boss) about HC joining, and DiGioia supposedly replied 'there was little interest by the other member schools in having HC join.' This was at a time that DiGioia was chasing Richmond, before settling on Butler. HC's problem was that HC had played very few or no games against most of the NBE schools. Providence being the exception. There was no historic relationship, and HC offered very little, other than being another mouth to feed. Might have been different in HC was located in Chestnut Hill. If this is true, it likely happened so he could say "Well, I asked and they said 'no'."
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 2, 2019 12:53:20 GMT -5
I was told that Fr. B approached Jack DiGioia (his former boss) about HC joining, and DiGioia supposedly replied 'there was little interest by the other member schools in having HC join.' This was at a time that DiGioia was chasing Richmond, before settling on Butler. HC's problem was that HC had played very few or no games against most of the NBE schools. Providence being the exception. There was no historic relationship, and HC offered very little, other than being another mouth to feed. Might have been different in HC was located in Chestnut Hill. If this is true, it likely happened so he could say "Well, I asked and they said 'no'." It is true. I have been in several meeting when the question was asked, and Fr. B mentioned his conversation with Jack DeGioia,regarding HC when the new Big East was formed.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2019 14:38:23 GMT -5
IIRC, HC did a study of the cost of NBE membership, and found that it would be expensive. Among the reasons:
1.) Again IIRC, the NBE was mandating that schools play in a venue that sat at least 6,000. For HC, this meant renting the DCU.
2.) Travel costs for non-revenue NBE conference sports.
Other factors. NBE conference sports were fewer in number than in the PL, so either HC would drop sports or find another conference(s) to affiliate with for those sports. The participation model is important for HC.
At the time that the NBE was forming, funding for much of the Luth had been secured but not booked, and the Luth emphasizes support of HC's field sports.
With regard to funding for Luth, in conversations with several of TPTB at GU , they said that Fr. B, then on his way to Worcester, was further ahead with obtaining money for what would be Luth than GU was in securing funding for what became the Thompson basketball practice facility, which, if memory serves, cost $65 million.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 2, 2019 16:16:02 GMT -5
Creighton 2x, last in 1956 DePaul 2x, last in 1953 Georgetown 20x, last in 1980 Marquette 4x, last in 2003 Providence 69x, last in 2019 St. John's 23x, last in 2012 Seton Hall 24x, last in 1987 Villanova 3x, last in 1968 Xavier 3x, last in 1981 Six games against Providence in the last 27 years. Rivalries against Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova began in the 1920s. Six games against PC in 27 years is low for how far the two schools are apart. You would think Cooley would be up for a game at the DCU Center on a weekend and HC would want that too as PC hoops fans will travel.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 2, 2019 19:49:12 GMT -5
I think when HC declined the big east invitation way back when there was an assumption most if not all the rivalries with BC, PC and UConn would continue ad infinitum, with st johns, Seton Hall and Georgetown being longshots in that regard (Syracuse and HC had terminated its series in 1974). Only BC remained by the turn of the century and it's gone now too.
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Post by res on Aug 2, 2019 20:13:47 GMT -5
Six games against PC in 27 years is low for how far the two schools are apart. You would think Cooley would be up for a game at the DCU Center on a weekend and HC would want that too as PC hoops fans will travel. Why would Cooley be up for a game at the DCU when he can buy HC, I assume, at the Dunk?
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 2, 2019 20:48:49 GMT -5
Six games against PC in 27 years is low for how far the two schools are apart. You would think Cooley would be up for a game at the DCU Center on a weekend and HC would want that too as PC hoops fans will travel. Why would Cooley be up for a game at the DCU when he can buy HC, I assume, at the Dunk? Cooley played a game at Brown...
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