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Post by hcpride on Sept 22, 2019 16:45:28 GMT -5
Turns out #18 Villanova does not just gobble up Patriot League opponents this year. They beat #5 Towson in a wild 52-45 shootout yesterday. Towson's multi-talented Flacco threw for 304 yards and ran for 110 yards but it was not enough to beat Nova.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Sept 22, 2019 17:16:48 GMT -5
The only league the PL is better than now is probably the non-scholly Pioneer. I think HC has the potential (facilities, Chesney enthusiasm etc) to get better but the league as a whole is an absolute dumpstah fire presently. League has to take a hard look at what needs to be done in football. Get a decent OC for crying out loud and score TDS. The head coach is delusional if he doesn’t recognize the complications with play selection and QB play. The D has played pretty good and we were right there with Yale until our inept O did nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 17:44:43 GMT -5
I was denounced as a “name caller” or something several weeks ago when I said some Patriot League programs are approaching D3 quality. As of today, Bucknell and Lafayette would have trouble competing with top Division 3 programs. Just my humble opinion of course and we will never know. That’s how bad it is. Not opinion. Fact. I said on AGS that the PSAC May well be a stronger conference than the PL this year. Hoping 2019 is the low point of PL scholarship football. Whoever wins the league this year would’ve finished 5th or 6th in 2008. That’s how bad it’s gotten. The conference stunk just as bad last year but at least we had a phenomenal Colgate team to carry the flag. The Patriot League scholarship experiment has failed and needs to be completely overhauled. Make the decision to compete or just give everybody participation trophies. Do people really enjoy watching games? I was planning to attend the Syracuse game next week with a high school teammate of mine that was an All American there. Out of respect for him and to salvage my own ego, I cancelled the trip. The product that Chesney is putting out is a complete embarrassment and I can't take another week of watching the team basically take a knee for 4 quarters. We'll be lucky not to lose by 140 points if changes aren't made on the offensive side of the ball. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 22, 2019 17:51:27 GMT -5
We've had a few periods of even greater scoring futility than we've had to start this season, though you'll likely note that the three teams we have faced to date may be tougher opponents than the other trios that suppressed our scoring. Note: I do understand that one of TD's this year was by the defense, not the offense, and that a team's Sagarin ranking may not be the same as its defensive ranking.
2019
7-45 Navy #70
13-10 UNH #162
10-23 Yale #143
HC scoring under 30 points total in three game period.
1996
7-38 Bucknell-- rankings not available
0-28 Fordham
10-20 Lafayette
2000
13-28 Lafayette #193
6-21 Lehigh #77
10-9 Bucknell #148
2010
7-31 Massachusetts #107
6-34 Harvard #152
7-17 Georgetown #217
2011
16-13 Bucknell #179
6-19 Georgetown #159
7-14 Lehigh #106
2012
10-13 Dartmouth #197
3-52 Harvard #153
13-6 Bucknell #231
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Post by efg72 on Sept 22, 2019 17:52:40 GMT -5
Just perhaps the staff is giving the offense what it can handle for now with the available talent. We would all like to see things open up a bit with different sets and options but maybe the offense is in a build process. Offense has much to do with technique and execution. Defense is a bit of that as well, but heart, energy and desire can put the defense well ahead of the offense.
If we don’t develop by the end of the year that tells me
We need better options up front
More speed and quickness
Need to settle on a QB that can move the team
Or
Acknowledge what others suggest
However, I am not even close to throwing out the baby with the bath water when it comes to staff moves.
I watched a number of games in 2011-14 and imho the overall talent and execution of the basic fundamentals today is far superior to our recent past when I saw four to five players on each side of the ball that could play. And no I am not comparing the teams or caliber of talent to the Carter/Duffner era and certainly not to the 60s and 70s
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 22, 2019 18:37:12 GMT -5
Not opinion. Fact. I said on AGS that the PSAC May well be a stronger conference than the PL this year. Hoping 2019 is the low point of PL scholarship football. Whoever wins the league this year would’ve finished 5th or 6th in 2008. That’s how bad it’s gotten. The conference stunk just as bad last year but at least we had a phenomenal Colgate team to carry the flag. The Patriot League scholarship experiment has failed and needs to be completely overhauled. Make the decision to compete or just give everybody participation trophies. Do people really enjoy watching games? I was planning to attend the Syracuse game next week with a high school teammate of mine that was an All American there. Out of respect for him and to salvage my own ego, I cancelled the trip. The product that Chesney is putting out is a complete embarrassment and I can't take another week of watching the team basically take a knee for 4 quarters. We'll be lucky not to lose by 140 points if changes aren't made on the offensive side of the ball. Lose by 140? Please spare me such nonsense. Yes, I enjoy watching HC. That is the team I root for every year and every game. It can be hard to watch at times, but that can be true of any team. The game tis not nearly as hard to watch as some of your tireless complaining posts. You cancelled a trip to see HC/Syracuse and your friend out of respect for your friend? If you expected HC to humiliate Syracuse, I could buy that, But why would he be disrespected in any way by a Syracuse win? Might you stop making such annoying posts for the same reason - respect for everyone else on CROSSPORTS? I thank you advance. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 19:04:54 GMT -5
The Patriot League scholarship experiment has failed and needs to be completely overhauled. Make the decision to compete or just give everybody participation trophies. Do people really enjoy watching games? I was planning to attend the Syracuse game next week with a high school teammate of mine that was an All American there. Out of respect for him and to salvage my own ego, I cancelled the trip. The product that Chesney is putting out is a complete embarrassment and I can't take another week of watching the team basically take a knee for 4 quarters. We'll be lucky not to lose by 140 points if changes aren't made on the offensive side of the ball. Lose by 140? Please spare me such nonsense. Yes, I enjoy watching HC. That is the team I root for every year and every game. It can be hard to watch at times, but that can be true of any team. The game tis not nearly as hard to watch as some of your tireless complaining posts. You cancelled a trip to see HC/Syracuse and your friend out of respect for your friend? If you expected HC to humiliate Syracuse, I could buy that, But why would he be disrespected in any way by a Syracuse win? Might you stop making such annoying posts for the same reason - respect for everyone else on CROSSPORTS? I thank you advance. What was the point of scheduling these schools if there was no forward thinking in building a product that competes? $32 million dollar facilities? For what? We have a staff full of former Assumption coaches that have no business being at this level. We have invested $32 million into a frame with no engine and a driver (Patriot League) with no vision. |
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Post by purplepig on Sept 22, 2019 19:09:39 GMT -5
Despite all the problems throughout the Patriot League, right now Holy Cross is the favorite for the title.
Maybe this is just a down time with a lot of new coaches for nstalling their systems and getting their guys.
I would take Chesney over the other new ones. I include Garrett (third year) and Gilmore (new at Lehigh) among them.
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Post by purplepig on Sept 22, 2019 19:10:52 GMT -5
Despite all the problems throughout the Patriot League, right now Holy Cross is the favorite for the title.
Maybe this is just a down time with a lot of new coaches for nstalling their systems and getting their guys.
I would take Chesney over the other new ones. I include Garrett (third year) and Gilmore (new at Lehigh) among them.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 22, 2019 19:18:44 GMT -5
Not opinion. Fact. I said on AGS that the PSAC May well be a stronger conference than the PL this year. Hoping 2019 is the low point of PL scholarship football. Whoever wins the league this year would’ve finished 5th or 6th in 2008. That’s how bad it’s gotten. The conference stunk just as bad last year but at least we had a phenomenal Colgate team to carry the flag. The Patriot League scholarship experiment has failed and needs to be completely overhauled. Make the decision to compete or just give everybody participation trophies. Do people really enjoy watching games? I was planning to attend the Syracuse game next week with a high school teammate of mine that was an All American there. Out of respect for him and to salvage my own ego, I cancelled the trip. The product that Chesney is putting out is a complete embarrassment and I can't take another week of watching the team basically take a knee for 4 quarters. We'll be lucky not to lose by 140 points if changes aren't made on the offensive side of the ball. The kids will play hard and the outcome will be what it will be these young men and coaching staff will step on and off the field next Saturday with a great sense of pride and commitment to the school and community. the talent on our side can’t compare to what we had in the distant past, and in 68-71- 73 we lost, although in 73 it was 5-3, and the strength, speed and talent at Syracuse remains close to the past. with that said and the outcome pretty much decided I am not sure how the past three weeks would have changed my plans unless I had a work/family commitment. I am way out of line here and apologize, but we all played with or against friends that were more talented in high school and college, and yes some of them were recognized as HS and College All-Americans. Perhaps your decision to salvage your own ego is part of the issue—relax and enjoy each game, it is fine to be frustrated and disappointed with the product (and yes we all sense various levels of both), but remember it is a game played by young men and life sprints byswiftly so once the final whistle blows we all need to let it go -well maybe not right away but certainly before the next game. Hope to see you at a game |
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 23, 2019 10:21:16 GMT -5
Yale and Princeton (and maybe Dartmouth and Harvard) can compete with many FBS teams, I have no doubt - these criticisms are way out of bounds and you are exposing your lack of knowledge on how a football program with (on average) 15 schollies per year in the PL, The word is 'slowly'. Chesney is 3 games into year 2 with maybe the most difficult ooc schedule in all of the FCS this year. Be a real fan and support the process or just go away.
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Post by joe on Sept 23, 2019 10:59:11 GMT -5
Lose by 140? Please spare me such nonsense. Yes, I enjoy watching HC. That is the team I root for every year and every game. It can be hard to watch at times, but that can be true of any team. The game tis not nearly as hard to watch as some of your tireless complaining posts. You cancelled a trip to see HC/Syracuse and your friend out of respect for your friend? If you expected HC to humiliate Syracuse, I could buy that, But why would he be disrespected in any way by a Syracuse win? Might you stop making such annoying posts for the same reason - respect for everyone else on CROSSPORTS? I thank you advance. What was the point of scheduling these schools if there was no forward thinking in building a product that competes? $32 million dollar facilities? For what? We have a staff full of former Assumption coaches that have no business being at this level. We have invested $32 million into a frame with no engine and a driver (Patriot League) with no vision. $97M
Give the offense this season to improve. You can't go by last year because we have another new QB this year and a very ambitious schedule. What didn't work at Navy, UNH, and Yale may very well work, and work well, in the PL.
I just want to see one play with our QB under center, Oliver lined up as a FB in a 3 point stance, and Cozier as the up-back in an I-formation. Oliver kicks out the end and Cozier has a chance to run to daylight. Or have Oliver cut the end inside and toss to Cozier and break to the outside. Please. Just Once. Show me that football as I remember it still has a place, at least in short yardage situations.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 23, 2019 13:35:16 GMT -5
I'll agree to that play but with a bigger guy. Cozier in tight situations is, imho, the same as our last two basketball coaches using midget guard tandems more often than not.
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Post by joe on Sept 23, 2019 13:47:06 GMT -5
Sure, but Cozier runs bigger than his size, and I don't think it would matter much if you had a guy like Oliver or someone of his consistency leading the way.
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Post by gks on Sept 23, 2019 13:56:30 GMT -5
What was the point of scheduling these schools if there was no forward thinking in building a product that competes? $32 million dollar facilities? For what? We have a staff full of former Assumption coaches that have no business being at this level. We have invested $32 million into a frame with no engine and a driver (Patriot League) with no vision. $97M
Give the offense this season to improve. You can't go by last year because we have another new QB this year and a very ambitious schedule. What didn't work at Navy, UNH, and Yale may very well work, and work well, in the PL.
I just want to see one play with our QB under center, Oliver lined up as a FB in a 3 point stance, and Cozier as the up-back in an I-formation. Oliver kicks out the end and Cozier has a chance to run to daylight. Or have Oliver cut the end inside and toss to Cozier and break to the outside. Please. Just Once. Show me that football as I remember it still has a place, at least in short yardage situations.
I see this offense all the time...New England Patriots! I agree though. Need more of it in college. Tired of shotgun, 4 wides, etc. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 23, 2019 14:07:31 GMT -5
Despite all the problems throughout the Patriot League, right now Holy Cross is the favorite for the title. Maybe this is just a down time with a lot of new coaches for nstalling their systems and getting their guys. I would take Chesney over the other new ones. I include Garrett (third year) and Gilmore (new at Lehigh) among them. League has been down for quite some time now. PL lucky that it has had at least ONE TEAM most years to carry the torch. Colgate for the past few years. Fordham for a 3 or 4 year stretch before that. Lehigh had some great squads early in the decade. From 1998-2010 it seems like the league more often had at least 2-3 teams that could compete with strong FCS competition. Not so as of late. Last year, the second and third best teams in the PL behind the Colgate machine were Holy Cross and Georgetown. Hoyas were 2 blocked 4th quarter punt return TDs in season finale away from finishing second at 4-2. Let thank sink in. |
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 23, 2019 14:28:16 GMT -5
So if Georgetown had not lost to HC, they would have won. Isn't that true in every game that is played? Let that sink in.  If Holy Cross had not been upset at home by Bucknell, Georgetown would not even get a mention as the third place team. I hope the Hoyas sent a thank you to the Bison for their third place finish. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 14:44:06 GMT -5
So if Georgetown had not lost to HC, they would have won. Isn't that true in every game that is played? Let that sink in. If Holy Cross had not been upset at home by Bicknell, Georgetown would not even get a mention as the third place team. I hope the Hoyas sent a thank you to the Bison for their third place finish. The PL is 4-20 this year. 4-20. Let that sink in. If Georgetown is in the top 3 with their level of support of football, what does that say about the league? If anything, Georgetown is the closest to being an intramural sport. I grew up in DC and my high school had better facilities than GU. |
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 23, 2019 16:24:33 GMT -5
Facilities typically do not score a single point. Their field is poor, so what?
I have read several times the PL record (actually the record of teams in the PL, not of the league). Does posting it over and over make it somehow a stronger argument?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 17:11:13 GMT -5
Facilities typically do not score a single point. Their field is poor, so what? I have read several times the PL record (actually the record of teams in the PL, not of the league). Does posting it over and over make it somehow a stronger argument? The point that is being made is that Georgetown doesn't support football (financially or any way you want to look at it). If Georgetown is competing for the Patriot League title, it means there is something wrong with how the Patriot League is being run. You think money and a unified commitment to creating a winning program doesn't have an impact on building a successful culture? |
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Post by trimster on Sept 24, 2019 8:29:03 GMT -5
We did look competitive in games against UNH and Yale. Not so much against Navy but that is to be expected. I am looking forward to the four game stretch vs Brown, Bucknell, Harvard and Colgate. That stretch will tell us a lot about where the rebuilding is in year two of the Coach Chesney era. I am not looking forward to the final four games since those will involve as they were last year, four of the weaker teams in D1 football.
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Post by lou on Sept 24, 2019 8:39:50 GMT -5
Better pay attention to the "weaker" teams. Last year we lost to one by 3, and beat two others by a total of 4 points
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 24, 2019 8:53:13 GMT -5
We don't need to pay attention. If the coaches and players pay attention all will be well.
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Post by rickii on Sept 26, 2019 14:06:01 GMT -5
Anyway...…….
Navy @ Memphis tonight on ESPN.
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