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Post by hchoops on Sept 29, 2019 17:59:13 GMT -5
Bucknell is far more puzzling than Lafayette, which has had a losing tradition in all sports, major and minor for quite a few years
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Post by lehighowl on Sept 29, 2019 19:58:35 GMT -5
I’m also genuinely interested in why. Who we need are Villanova, Richmond, and Bill and Mary. but that is a pipe dream on a ship that has already sailed and sunk. The Patriot League needs Lehigh, Lafayette and Holy Cross to turn into real football programs again. Colgate and Fordham get a pass for going through a downturn after great runs this decade. As has been discussed before there is no appetite at UR, W&M or VU for Patriot League membership. Increased strength must come from within! Lehigh had a really good team in 2016 but it sadly ended with a huge thud against UNH in the playoffs. Shafnisky (PL Offensive POY) had to miss the game with mono and Lehigh's OC had basically checked out to Elon. Lehigh entered that game as the favorite and a legit darkhorse to advance. They beat 7-3 Penn 49-28 and 8-2 Princeton 42-28. Given all they had returning on offense they entered 2017 ranked #17 but the defense completely fell apart. Still, won the league and went to the playoffs. This decade Lehigh has three 10+ win seasons, 2 big time playoff wins (UNI and Towson), a Top 5 finish in 2011, Payton Award Runner-up (Chris Lum), a 9 win season, an 8 win season and a 6-5 team in 2015 that was a failed first and goal at the Colgate 10 away from winning the league. When it's all said and done their resume will better than Colgate's and Fordham's for the 2010's. The issue at Lehigh was Coen's unfortunate health situation which started to compromise the coaching staff in '17 and '18. The whole thing fell apart last season. The other problem was hiring Tom Gilmore imo. I just don't think his ceiling is that high as a head coach. I think he'll get Lehigh back to pretty good but I don't see any 9-10 win seasons on the horizon. Everyone must get better. Colgate is once against back in the tank. Hunt's OOC record (12-28) is a atrocious. Yet for whatever season they continue to schedule WAY over their head.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 29, 2019 20:08:27 GMT -5
I give Colgate the slight edge for "team of the decade". The Lehigh squads from 2010-2012 and 2016 were impressive indeed. We almost had you guys in Fitton in 2012, that was a great game and tough loss for us. Shame that 10-1 left the Mountaineers at home that year with no postseason.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 29, 2019 20:19:15 GMT -5
Yes, Colgate is 0-5 (as a few of us predicted) but that was a very tough OOC slate. Yesterday they started their 3rd stringer QB as the injury bug has hit the QB position...if things stay that way they’ve got PL problems....but if they get healthy... Number 1 guy is expected back this week
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Post by HC92 on Sept 29, 2019 21:02:16 GMT -5
Just sharing facts. It’s still a win for your team. I just thought Lehigh made a great point and thought the story of your commissioner calling UNH tied into it. Have to call BS here in addition to SG (sour grapes). What would be the reason for the PL commissioner allegedly calling the UNH President to apologize for a call in an OOC football game at HC? Is the PL commissioner responsible for the refs at an OOC game at HC? Pretty sure we’re all in the same officiating alliance and the same guys are just as likely to be at a PL game one week as a CAA game the next.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 30, 2019 10:13:54 GMT -5
Also, what was the incorrect call that was made? Was Joe Lang out of bounds in the back of the endzone when he recovered the fumble?
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 30, 2019 17:08:25 GMT -5
I looked for that. I saw no reason for any apology. Since nothing changes...so what!
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Post by unhfan on Sept 30, 2019 18:53:06 GMT -5
Just sharing facts. It’s still a win for your team. I just thought Lehigh made a great point and thought the story of your commissioner calling UNH tied into it. Have to call BS here in addition to SG (sour grapes). What would be the reason for the PL commissioner allegedly calling the UNH President to apologize for a call in an OOC football game at HC? Is the PL commissioner responsible for the refs at an OOC game at HC? Pretty sure we’re all in the same officiating alliance and the same guys are just as likely to be at a PL game one week as a CAA game the next. My dear sir you may call whatever you would like. I was just stating the facts it’s completely up to you whether you accept them or not. No matter what you think it won’t change the result which should make you happy my good sir. Refs blow calls every game and on that Saturday it benefited you. Next week who knows. Thanks for your feedback it’s much appreciated!
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 30, 2019 19:09:52 GMT -5
Thank goodness they did not blow the call on the UNH fumble. You can believe whatever you like to make yourself feel better. As you stated, it won't change the result.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 30, 2019 21:05:38 GMT -5
Based on what I've seen I give a slight edge to Fordham. They very easily could be 3-2. Georgetown and Holy Cross are probably 2A and 2B at this point. The Hoyas are legitimately "decent" i think. They have a real shot to win 8-9 games which is something no one else in the league can say imo. Holy Cross has to get their offense going. It's year 2 and there's been very little progress. Not trying to throw shade on HC's win over UNH but if the two were to play again I'd take UNH. I took HC four weeks ago given the circumstances surrounding the UNH program at that time. Since then Santos has had time to get comfortable in his head coaching role and their QB play has improved. Lehigh, Colgate, Lafayette and Bucknell are all varying degrees of awful. An argument can me made that Colgate is actually the worse of the lot. Colgate has lost 6 straight games and all of them have been lopsided. At least Lehigh (1 pt loss to St. Francis/win today) and Lafayette (played solid Monmouth and Penn tough) have shown some fight at times. Bucknell is just lost in the abyss.... Lehigh, You make a great point about UNH. Throw in the fact that the PL commissioner called our AD to apologize for the td call in the end zone and maybe if they called it a safety we still win that game. It’s a funny game but credit to the PL commissioner for doing that it doesn’t change anything but a classy move. The PL Commish called me too and apologized for the sunburn I got in the stands.☺️ Only kidding of course, but was news of that apology published somewhere? I could imagine the PL Comissioner calling the UNH AD to thank him (or her) for playing a PL team or to discuss shared interests about Mid major D-1 athletics and saying something like "I'm sorry Coach Santos' first game had to end in such a heart breaking loss," or something gracious like that. But why should the PL apologize to UNH for the officials following the rules in a rare game situation that even fooled some of the players?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 30, 2019 22:45:22 GMT -5
Maybe UNH can post the exact same kind of win over Albany and then all three teams will be even on winning/losing last second heartbreakers
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Post by hcpride on Oct 1, 2019 8:49:40 GMT -5
We're coming up on game 5 and because of our wacky scheduling it is still unclear (IMHO) if we are better or worse than last year. Tossing out the two FBS beatdowns, we essentially switched results from last year to this v UNH and Yale. Our QB does not seem to be a net upgrade over Wade and our hoped-for running attack and overall offensive scheme have not done much. Given that, it seems logical that our games v Colgate (home), Fordham (away) , and Georgetown (home) will again be nail-biters.
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Post by unhfan on Oct 1, 2019 22:03:50 GMT -5
Thank goodness they did not blow the call on the UNH fumble. You can believe whatever you like to make yourself feel better. As you stated, it won't change the result. 😂
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Post by unhfan on Oct 1, 2019 22:06:47 GMT -5
Lehigh, You make a great point about UNH. Throw in the fact that the PL commissioner called our AD to apologize for the td call in the end zone and maybe if they called it a safety we still win that game. It’s a funny game but credit to the PL commissioner for doing that it doesn’t change anything but a classy move. The PL Commish called me too and apologized for the sunburn I got in the stands.☺️ Only kidding of course, but was news of that apology published somewhere? I could imagine the PL Comissioner calling the UNH AD to thank him (or her) for playing a PL team or to discuss shared interests about Mid major D-1 athletics and saying something like "I'm sorry Coach Santos' first game had to end in such a heart breaking loss," or something gracious like that. But why should the PL apologize to UNH for the officials following the rules in a rare game situation that even fooled some of the players? Because when the Holy Cross player gained control of the ball he was out of bounds. It should have been a safety.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 1, 2019 22:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 23:15:20 GMT -5
We're coming up on game 5 and because of our wacky scheduling it is still unclear (IMHO) if we are better or worse than last year. Tossing out the two FBS beatdowns, we essentially switched results from last year to this v UNH and Yale. Our QB does not seem to be a net upgrade over Wade and our hoped-for running attack and overall offensive scheme have not done much. Given that, it seems logical that our games v Colgate (home), Fordham (away) , and Georgetown (home) will again be nail-biters. Has anyone actually seen any game tape on Bucknell? Do they have more weapons than last year? Do we only have a slight advantage in the "tale of the tape"? Looking at stats, Bucknell doesn't run option any longer? They are RPO/Air Raid as well?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 2, 2019 7:13:20 GMT -5
Because when the Holy Cross player gained control of the ball he was out of bounds. It should have been a safety. I saw that possibility. I looked back at the play several times and I believe the officials made the correct call. However, I certainly am not without some purple bias. Good luck to UNH the rest of the way!
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Post by hc87 on Oct 2, 2019 10:13:15 GMT -5
My hunch is it's going to be one of those years with a 3 or 4 way tie with it coming down to like the 5th tiebreakahhh.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 2, 2019 15:05:42 GMT -5
The team must be salivating to finally play a team they have the potential (but not are guaranteed) to dominate while the coaching staff tries to tamp down overconfidence. We'll see if the OC's schemes can work against PL competition. The QB can't be expected to be as quick as Fran Tarkington or Doug Flutie but if he still looks slow to execute plays I'll be disappointed. After four games I expect him and the offense to look in command of the game plan, timing is sharp, assignments are executed correctly and plays actually work against a true low FCS opponent.
We shouldn't be out-manned but we could be facing a coaching staff with more D-1 experience than ours. With talent at least at a parity, I am expecting the offensive play selection to actually be effective against these specific Bucknell players and Bucknell defensive game plan with adjustments made as needed if it doesn't work in the first half.
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Post by joe on Oct 3, 2019 5:45:10 GMT -5
The one thing that’s for certain is that if we lose this game there will be no second chances at a PL title. Bucknell is not going to be in the discussion at the end of the season.
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Post by Xmassader on Oct 3, 2019 8:06:43 GMT -5
Joe While I agree that a loss to Bucknell would certainly not enhance the likelihood that we would go 5-0 on the rest of the PL schedule, if we did so, we’d probably have a good chance to win the PL title since we would have the tie breaker with every team other than Bucknell and it’s unlikely that the Bison would have fewer than 2 PL losses in their other 5 PL games. But, as td128 says, “Let’s win” and we won’t have to contemplate the possibilities.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 3, 2019 13:38:49 GMT -5
My hunch is it's going to be one of those years with a 3 or 4 way tie with it coming down to like the 5th tiebreakahhh. What are the tie breakers for the PL Pick 'em? ☺️
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 3, 2019 14:10:48 GMT -5
Last time HC won the PL, our only conference loss was to Bucknell. Maybe it would be good luck to lose on Saturday.
Just kidding -- this is a game we should win even if offense struggles to an extent. Would be happy with a 20-3 type of win.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 3, 2019 14:41:16 GMT -5
My hunch is it's going to be one of those years with a 3 or 4 way tie with it coming down to like the 5th tiebreakahhh. What are the tie breakers for the PL Pick 'em? ☺️ Whomevah sends me the best six-pack In all seriousness, a good question....possibly the closest score in the first PL playoff game?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 3, 2019 14:56:05 GMT -5
I'd put the fair odds (no takeout) as follows for the championship
Holy Cross= 8-5 Fordham= 5-2 Georgetown= 7-2 Colgate= 20-1 Lafayette= 25-1 Lehigh= 40-1 Bucknell= 50-1
So, if we were running this on a pari-mutuel basis, Georgetown, now paying about 14-1, would be a huge overlay.
My selection is Holy Cross based on performance season to date with the expectation that this team will improve significantly over the balance of the season.
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