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Post by trimster on Nov 6, 2019 8:28:00 GMT -5
I agree with what you say except for the March comment. Based on that, Bill Carmody’s first season was a smashing success and in my view, it was far from it. I will be disappointed if this team doesn’t win half of its OOC games based on what I have seen so far. That being an open practice, the exhibition game and watching last night’s game. I think this team is really going to surprise people and felt that before last night. I really like the frosh group.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 6, 2019 8:32:06 GMT -5
some thoughts from behind the hc bench last night...
- as one might expect, the officiating was absolutely horrible. i would say maryland got literally every call that could go either way, with the exception of one charge that hargis took that was questionable. this obviously landed verbeek in early foul trouble and put maryland in the bonus very early. some of this was due to maryland's superior athleticism, but more was just home cooking. reason i lead with this is i did not think we were slow afoot, slow to rotate, or physically overpowered in leading to most of the fouls. nelson also did a good job of managing lots of players with 2-3 fouls relatively early in the game. i don't think based on last night that we will be a foul prone team, which is the big picture.
- that said, maryland was clearly physically superior and they killed us with offensive rebounds and their wings were able to get to the hole relatively easy. i actually thought we did a surprisingly good job of preventing entry passes to smith, scott, and maryland's other bigs. but then again, turgeon teams fire up 3's like there is no tomorrow even if they have a major mismatch inside or attacking the hole, and last night surely aggravated maryland fans in that respect. when maryland attacked the basket, they generally got there, but we won't face another team with the athleticism of wiggins, morsell, ayala, et al this year.
- the freshmen, especially lowder and pridgen, were absolutely fearless. they played with no signs of intimidation whatsoever. in fact, the whole team did. players like verbeek and hargis, for whom this was essentially there first meaningful action, also showed no fear.
- lowder is incredibly quick, has a great knack for finishing, and kept maryland honest with a number of 3's. he was the best player on the floor last night, including a few sure thing first round nba draft picks on maryland.
- as quick as lowder was, pridgen was tough. really, really impressed with his offensive and defensive game. he sells the shot fake really well around the basket, and had maryland defenders leaping out of position on multiple occasions. he played with the confidence and swagger of a senior. was impressed that his game could translate well against a team like maryland. he will punish teams at our level physically.
- on the other hand, butler continues to struggle against teams with far superior athleticism. he was almost thompson like with the kamikaze drives that got swatted a handful of times. i think he will be a force in the pl and against most other non-conference teams, but he struggles against these types of teams. floyd definitely did, too. rj tended to, as well. just a function of certain players' games. butler did rebound and defend pretty well and i think he will be a force against most of our competition.
- niego really impressed. he did not shy away from contact, did not get into foul trouble despite the quick whistle in favor of everything for the terps, and showed a nice stroke and some effective moves/hooks around the hole.
- hargis also obviously impressed. he was confident going to the hole, knocked down some big shots, and came into the game when verbeek got his second foul (one of the worst calls of the night) with confidence and as if he belonged. he definitely did.
- reilly, while nowhere near the offensive player that lowder is, played under control and showed very good defense last night. i like the fact that we have a backup point guard like this, as he can really fill in and defend. cowan is an excellent point guard, and reilly kept him in front of him.
- verbeek was hurt by the early foul trouble, and hargis played so well that his minutes were limited, but he looked pretty good out there. held position better than i thought he would, converted a few times around the basket against top notch bigs, and had a nice looking stroke from the perimeter on a few that rimmed out.
- not sure what was up with faw's limited minutes, though he definitely left the game with injury after a really hard fall. didn't get much time in the second half. doesn't appear to be a favorite of nelson at the moment, but that could change as he is skilled and had some good games last year.
- as for nelson, i think he managed the game well in a variety of capacities. he knew when to use his timeouts to stop momentum, managed the rotation really well in light of the ridiculous foul discrepancy, and threw a few different looks at maryland. while it's not saying much, he definitely outcoached turgeon. he seems to have inspired a fearless confidence in this group as literally nobody seemed intimidated last night.
that's about it. despite the final score, i was encouraged by this performance. look forward to seeing how we build upon it!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 6, 2019 8:32:25 GMT -5
bbc, I think you came up with a great idea for new team warmup shirts! With the except of Joey Reilly, everyone could wear shirts that would read: Front: THE FULL NELSON Back: FATALLY FLAWED For Joey (and the recruits next year and beyond until the initial group above is gone), they would have these: Front: THE FULL NELSON Back: EXEMPT I laughed. But when your starting 4 & 5 likely combines for under 400 lbs and can’t guard a table, your roster is fatally flawed.
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Post by lou on Nov 6, 2019 8:32:37 GMT -5
GoHC (Bare) says most points in a debut performance in 15 years
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Post by trimster on Nov 6, 2019 8:35:26 GMT -5
“Way too many fouls” hartattack, only listened to the game due to travel but from the radio report the refs’ view of the game was skewed and corroborated by at least one poster who was watching the game though the bias of both is stipulated. But regardless, first game and mostly very inexperienced players against a superior talent team, so really something that was not unexpected. As experience is gained and we play more equal teams and continued great coaching, this will fix itself. The foul shot disparity really jumps out at you. The Cross wasn’t exactly standing back launching threes all night. I know Maryland is bigger and quicker by a wide margin in the paint which led to more fouls but other than a technical foul shot, we had a one player shoot four free throws in the entire game. Think about that for a second.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 6, 2019 8:42:30 GMT -5
bbc, I think you came up with a great idea for new team warmup shirts! With the except of Joey Reilly, everyone could wear shirts that would read: Front: THE FULL NELSON Back: FATALLY FLAWED For Joey (and the recruits next year and beyond until the initial group above is gone), they would have these: Front: THE FULL NELSON Back: EXEMPT I laughed. But when your starting 4 & 5 likely combines for under 400 lbs and can’t guard a table, your roster is fatally flawed. Ok....but let's revisit 12 months from now....
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Post by lou on Nov 6, 2019 8:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 6, 2019 8:47:24 GMT -5
RP jr had 20 in his freshman opener Jack the Shot had fewer than 20 in his debut Ed Suidut (RIP) had 18 in his first game Good research hoops. I think this is a record, and quite impressive given the competition. I think McCaffrey might've had a big first game in Nov 84 against Brown. Anyone have a guide to look that one up? How about Potter or Vicens in late '74? Looks like Bare tried to research it quick and couldn't quick enough before getting the release out. He might confirm it in future game notes. Dan O wrote in the Crusader that Potter and Vicens scored in the teens in their opener. the article about McCaffrey’s first game amazingly did not give the scoring for any HC player, We scored 68. At least that was given.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 6, 2019 8:47:27 GMT -5
regarding the foul discrepancy and potential bias of the reports here, i am also a long-time maryland fan and went to the game with a huge maryland fan.
we both felt that the officiating was horribly one-sided, especially in the first half. worse than usual in games like this.
i think we will shoot more free throws than we did under carmody and i did not get the sense at all that slow rotations, confusion on switches, physical mismatches will lead to foul problems this year.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 6, 2019 8:52:48 GMT -5
GoHC (Bare) says most points in a debut performance in 15 years Great, but is that player a mystery guest ?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 6, 2019 8:54:12 GMT -5
some thoughts from behind the hc bench last night... - as one might expect, the officiating was absolutely horrible. i would say maryland got literally every call that could go either way, with the exception of one charge that hargis took that was questionable. this obviously landed verbeek in early foul trouble and put maryland in the bonus very early. some of this was due to maryland's superior athleticism, but more was just home cooking. reason i lead with this is i did not think we were slow afoot, slow to rotate, or physically overpowered in leading to most of the fouls. nelson also did a good job of managing lots of players with 2-3 fouls relatively early in the game. i don't think based on last night that we will be a foul prone team, which is the big picture. - that said, maryland was clearly physically superior and they killed us with offensive rebounds and their wings were able to get to the hole relatively easy. i actually thought we did a surprisingly good job of preventing entry passes to smith, scott, and maryland's other bigs. but then again, turgeon teams fire up 3's like there is no tomorrow even if they have a major mismatch inside or attacking the hole, and last night surely aggravated maryland fans in that respect. when maryland attacked the basket, they generally got there, but we won't face another team with the athleticism of wiggins, morsell, ayala, et al this year. - the freshmen, especially lowder and pridgen, were absolutely fearless. they played with no signs of intimidation whatsoever. in fact, the whole team did. players like verbeek and hargis, for whom this was essentially there first meaningful action, also showed no fear. - lowder is incredibly quick, has a great knack for finishing, and kept maryland honest with a number of 3's. he was the best player on the floor last night, including a few sure thing first round nba draft picks on maryland. - as quick as lowder was, pridgen was tough. really, really impressed with his offensive and defensive game. he sells the shot fake really well around the basket, and had maryland defenders leaping out of position on multiple occasions. he played with the confidence and swagger of a senior. was impressed that his game could translate well against a team like maryland. he will punish teams at our level physically. - on the other hand, butler continues to struggle against teams with far superior athleticism. he was almost thompson like with the kamikaze drives that got swatted a handful of times. i think he will be a force in the pl and against most other non-conference teams, but he struggles against these types of teams. floyd definitely did, too. rj tended to, as well. just a function of certain players' games. butler did rebound and defend pretty well and i think he will be a force against most of our competition. - niego really impressed. he did not shy away from contact, did not get into foul trouble despite the quick whistle in favor of everything for the terps, and showed a nice stroke and some effective moves/hooks around the hole. - hargis also obviously impressed. he was confident going to the hole, knocked down some big shots, and came into the game when verbeek got his second foul (one of the worst calls of the night) with confidence and as if he belonged. he definitely did. - reilly, while nowhere near the offensive player that lowder is, played under control and showed very good defense last night. i like the fact that we have a backup point guard like this, as he can really fill in and defend. cowan is an excellent point guard, and reilly kept him in front of him. - verbeek was hurt by the early foul trouble, and hargis played so well that his minutes were limited, but he looked pretty good out there. held position better than i thought he would, converted a few times around the basket against top notch bigs, and had a nice looking stroke from the perimeter on a few that rimmed out. - not sure what was up with faw's limited minutes, though he definitely left the game with injury after a really hard fall. didn't get much time in the second half. doesn't appear to be a favorite of nelson at the moment, but that could change as he is skilled and had some good games last year. - as for nelson, i think he managed the game well in a variety of capacities. he knew when to use his timeouts to stop momentum, managed the rotation really well in light of the ridiculous foul discrepancy, and threw a few different looks at maryland. while it's not saying much, he definitely outcoached turgeon. he seems to have inspired a fearless confidence in this group as literally nobody seemed intimidated last night. that's about it. despite the final score, i was encouraged by this performance. look forward to seeing how we build upon it! Excellent anaylsis, but what about Wade?
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Post by trimster on Nov 6, 2019 8:55:28 GMT -5
regarding the foul discrepancy and potential bias of the reports here, i am also a long-time maryland fan and went to the game with a huge maryland fan. we both felt that the officiating was horribly one-sided, especially in the first half. worse than usual in games like this. i think we will shoot more free throws than we did under carmody and i did not get the sense at all that slow rotations, confusion on switches, physical mismatches will lead to foul problems this year. Given what he watching, I thought Coach Nelson maintained his composure extremely well. At one point late in the first half, he chatted with one of the officials at length and appeared to give a tap as they parted ways in front of the HC bench.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 6, 2019 9:00:11 GMT -5
I will say it again, 16 Ws this season.
Amazing that Lowder dropped 24 in his first collegiate game against the Terps.
Cheers.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 6, 2019 9:04:30 GMT -5
some thoughts from behind the hc bench last night... - as one might expect, the officiating was absolutely horrible. i would say maryland got literally every call that could go either way, with the exception of one charge that hargis took that was questionable. this obviously landed verbeek in early foul trouble and put maryland in the bonus very early. some of this was due to maryland's superior athleticism, but more was just home cooking. reason i lead with this is i did not think we were slow afoot, slow to rotate, or physically overpowered in leading to most of the fouls. nelson also did a good job of managing lots of players with 2-3 fouls relatively early in the game. i don't think based on last night that we will be a foul prone team, which is the big picture. - that said, maryland was clearly physically superior and they killed us with offensive rebounds and their wings were able to get to the hole relatively easy. i actually thought we did a surprisingly good job of preventing entry passes to smith, scott, and maryland's other bigs. but then again, turgeon teams fire up 3's like there is no tomorrow even if they have a major mismatch inside or attacking the hole, and last night surely aggravated maryland fans in that respect. when maryland attacked the basket, they generally got there, but we won't face another team with the athleticism of wiggins, morsell, ayala, et al this year. - the freshmen, especially lowder and pridgen, were absolutely fearless. they played with no signs of intimidation whatsoever. in fact, the whole team did. players like verbeek and hargis, for whom this was essentially there first meaningful action, also showed no fear. - lowder is incredibly quick, has a great knack for finishing, and kept maryland honest with a number of 3's. he was the best player on the floor last night, including a few sure thing first round nba draft picks on maryland. - as quick as lowder was, pridgen was tough. really, really impressed with his offensive and defensive game. he sells the shot fake really well around the basket, and had maryland defenders leaping out of position on multiple occasions. he played with the confidence and swagger of a senior. was impressed that his game could translate well against a team like maryland. he will punish teams at our level physically. - on the other hand, butler continues to struggle against teams with far superior athleticism. he was almost thompson like with the kamikaze drives that got swatted a handful of times. i think he will be a force in the pl and against most other non-conference teams, but he struggles against these types of teams. floyd definitely did, too. rj tended to, as well. just a function of certain players' games. butler did rebound and defend pretty well and i think he will be a force against most of our competition. - niego really impressed. he did not shy away from contact, did not get into foul trouble despite the quick whistle in favor of everything for the terps, and showed a nice stroke and some effective moves/hooks around the hole. - hargis also obviously impressed. he was confident going to the hole, knocked down some big shots, and came into the game when verbeek got his second foul (one of the worst calls of the night) with confidence and as if he belonged. he definitely did. - reilly, while nowhere near the offensive player that lowder is, played under control and showed very good defense last night. i like the fact that we have a backup point guard like this, as he can really fill in and defend. cowan is an excellent point guard, and reilly kept him in front of him. - verbeek was hurt by the early foul trouble, and hargis played so well that his minutes were limited, but he looked pretty good out there. held position better than i thought he would, converted a few times around the basket against top notch bigs, and had a nice looking stroke from the perimeter on a few that rimmed out. - not sure what was up with faw's limited minutes, though he definitely left the game with injury after a really hard fall. didn't get much time in the second half. doesn't appear to be a favorite of nelson at the moment, but that could change as he is skilled and had some good games last year. - as for nelson, i think he managed the game well in a variety of capacities. he knew when to use his timeouts to stop momentum, managed the rotation really well in light of the ridiculous foul discrepancy, and threw a few different looks at maryland. while it's not saying much, he definitely outcoached turgeon. he seems to have inspired a fearless confidence in this group as literally nobody seemed intimidated last night. that's about it. despite the final score, i was encouraged by this performance. look forward to seeing how we build upon it! Excellent anaylsis, but what about Wade? thanks. wade was not much of a factor last night, but didn't seem out of place, either. the only area where we were completely outmatched was keep maryland off the offensive glass. but "stix", scott, the mitchell twins, and lindo are all a handful and we won't see a frontcourt like that again all season. we struggled mightily against less competition in recent years, and there were times when pridgen, butler, niego, hargis, and a few others came up with rebounds or loose balls against this super-athletic team that were a pleasant surprise compared to recent years.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 6, 2019 9:05:27 GMT -5
I will say it again, 16 Ws this season. Amazing that Lowder dropped 24 in his first collegiate game against the Terps. Cheers. i expected jalen smith to dominate, but lowder was the best player on the floor last night!
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Post by trimster on Nov 6, 2019 9:05:54 GMT -5
The battles between Reilly and Lowder in practice must be interesting to watch. I have been really surprised by Reilly’s ability to keep his man in front of him on defense. Reminds me of Caleb Green in that regard. It’s possible Drew Lowder is the quickest point guard he faces all year and he gets to do it at every practice. It’s great for both of them.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 6, 2019 9:06:14 GMT -5
I saw only the highlights, but Lowder has the quickest change of direction moves that I have seen from an HC point guard in over 50 years
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 6, 2019 9:07:58 GMT -5
13,633 reported attendance. As we discuss here often, attendance numbers always inflated but assume this will be the largest crowd to see the Crusader basketball team this season . . . . until post-season NCAA tournament. Total aside - still haven't gotten my season tickets yet.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 6, 2019 10:00:34 GMT -5
My reaction to the nice, long video clip of the highlights: Oh my God: Drew Lowder!!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 6, 2019 10:29:57 GMT -5
I saw only the highlights, but Lowder has the quickest change of direction moves that I have seen from an HC point guard in over 50 years Also showed great change of pace on drives - pulled up for the short jumper, quick stop-and-start for floaters, twisting layups left and right, one 360-degree spin from the line to free himself for a basket, and a couple kick-outs for good measure. Very impressive night for the young man.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 6, 2019 10:38:27 GMT -5
You must have seen more of his game than the highlights showed. Terrific player. He and AU’s Nelson should have some battles.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 6, 2019 11:03:40 GMT -5
We obviously shot poorly from 3, but we were 23 for 40, 58%, from two point range. Good, esp considering the 8 shots they blocked.
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Post by matunuck on Nov 6, 2019 11:06:52 GMT -5
Smith, Morsell Carry No. 7 Maryland Past Holy Cross 95-71 By The Associated Press Nov. 5, 2019
COLLEGE PARK, Md. — Chasing a bunch of quick, athletic players around the basketball court can be pretty tiring for a team with a half-dozen guys 6-foot-7 or taller.
Fortunately for Maryland coach Mark Turgeon, if one of his players gets weary, there's always someone to replace him.
Taking advantage of a roster deep with height and talent, No. 7 Maryland launched a season of high hopes by defeating Holy Cross 95-71 Tuesday night.
Despite trailing early, the Terrapins forged ahead by 12 at halftime and won their 43rd consecutive home opener.
"It's hard when we're this big and tall to chase guys around, five guys that can shoot it," Turgeon said. "Our depth finally got them."
Maryland placed four players in double figures, finished with a 47-33 rebounding advantage and scored 64 points in the paint.
Jalen Smith had 16 points and 11 rebounds, Darryl Morsell scored 15, and Anthony Cowan Jr. and Eric Ayala added 12 points apiece.
The Terrapins returned seven players from a squad that went to the Sweet 16 last season and have added a pair of 6-foot-10 twins to the mix. Turgeon took full advantage, giving eight players at least 14 minutes of playing time.
"It's nice, especially when the depth plays well," Turgeon said. "And I think it's just going to get better when the new guys get used to playing and get used to the speed of the college game."
This team has a chance to be Turgeon's best during his nine-year tenure at Maryland, but the Terps will have to prove it on the court.
Perhaps the clearest glimpse of this squad's potential came in the final seconds of the first half. After Smith blocked a layup attempt, Cowan got hold of the loose ball and raced up court. He drove the lane and flipped the ball to Morsell, who capped the sequence with a powerful dunk.
"We played well," said Cowan, a senior guard. "There were definitely some times where we weren't getting enough stops or we weren't doing the little things. But overall, I'm happy how we came out."
Freshman guard Drew Lowder scored 24 for Holy Cross, playing its first game under coach Brett Nelson. The Crusaders took only five foul shots compared to 24 for Maryland.
"We had some moments where we were really good," Nelson said. "I have a young group, so we're learning. We're going to be a lot different in January than we are in November.
"But I've got to give Maryland credit. They've got a heck of a ballclub. With the pieces they have, they've got a good chance to make a deep run in the tournament, for sure."
Holy Cross trailed by just seven before Maryland went on a 16-4 run that made it 68-49. Smith and Ayala each had six points in the surge, and Cowan contributed a pair of free throws and a breakaway layup.
"This year could be a lot of fun if we just stay focused, stay selfless, keep getting better," Turgeon said. "We've got a lot of talent."
Maryland is 6-0 against Holy Cross in a series that began in 1971. The teams last met in 2008.
TOO DEEP
Perhaps one day, Nelson will be able to go nine deep on his roster. Until then, he'll be stuck admiring teams like Maryland.
"They're long, they're athletic. They bring guys off the bench that are just as athletic," Nelson said. "So from a rebounding standpoint, they really got us. And then the turnovers there in the first half led to runouts for them."
BIG PICTURE
Holy Cross: The Crusaders look as though they will benefit from working under Nelson, who spent the previous five years on the staff at Marquette. Holy Cross ran its offense well and hustled back on defense, qualities that should be helpful when conference play begins in the Patriot League.
Maryland: The Terrapins got off to a solid start by using their height, but the outside game needs work. Maryland was 5 for 27 from beyond the arc, missing 11 of 13 in the first half.
UP NEXT
Holy Cross stays on the road, facing New Hampshire on Saturday before playing three straight at home.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 6, 2019 11:34:51 GMT -5
Would a subscriber please post the T&G game article ?
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Post by Ray on Nov 6, 2019 11:43:20 GMT -5
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