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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 12, 2019 15:33:59 GMT -5
No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 12, 2019 15:35:30 GMT -5
Patton would be arrested or totally relieved of his duties if he slapped a soldier today. Battle of the Bulge would have been even more difficult....
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Post by Tom on Nov 12, 2019 16:16:49 GMT -5
I find this all very confusing.
On one hand, bad language is becoming more and more standard in society today. There are words now common on TV and PG-rated movies that were never used in media years ago. I remember when the original fake news anchor referred to his co-anchor as an ignorant slut. When I was a kid that was totally shocking that word could be used on TV - even late night. Now I'm guessing it gets past the Crossports censor.
On the other hand, coaches who used saltier language than most of society are supposed to trend in the opposite direction and clean up their acts.
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I get the concept of using profanity to grab the attention of the players. It let's them know you're serious. When over used it loses its effectiveness. The shock value is gone. Same things go when a 20 year old kid drops more F-bombs than the coach
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Post by breezy on Nov 12, 2019 17:38:48 GMT -5
This gives me a chance to tell you about my uncle (and godfather) who served in World War II. He served as the head of an ammunition squad supporting an artillery unit during the Battle of the Bulge. Many years later, at the initiative of some friends and with the help of his commanding officer who wrote a strong letter of recommendation, he was awarded the Bronze Star.
He liked to tell a story about General Patton. At the end of the war in Europe, General Patton was inspecting the troops in my uncle's unit. Patton would stand in front of each man in formation, look at their uniform insignia to see what that person had done during the war, and generally say something like "Well done!" or "Good work!" Then he came upon a man who had just arrived as a replacement in the unit; he had no insignia on his uniform. Patton looked at him and said: "What the f*** did you do?"
My uncle died in 2015, one month after his 100th birthday. His wife, my aunt (and godmother), is still with us, living alone (with her son close by as needed), and mentally still fully with it.
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Post by joe on Nov 12, 2019 17:45:54 GMT -5
Every coach in America is going to yell and swear at the players. That is not going to change. If a kid can’t handle it then he can always transfer but not sure we’re you’ll go that it doesn’t happen especially in football or basketball. I’m sure even the great coaches as Coach K are known for their fiery language. Did you ever meet Dan Allen?
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Post by gks on Nov 12, 2019 17:54:29 GMT -5
If you can't handle being yelled at you shouldn't be a scholarship athlete.
Gilmore is who he is...I would have no problem having my kid play for him. He demands a lot and he gives a lot. Two traits that there is nothing wrong with.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 12, 2019 18:23:40 GMT -5
Every coach in America is going to yell and swear at the players. That is not going to change. If a kid can’t handle it then he can always transfer but not sure we’re you’ll go that it doesn’t happen especially in football or basketball. I’m sure even the great coaches as Coach K are known for their fiery language. Did you ever meet Dan Allen? You never messed up as much I did apparently. I love Coach A, and he was mild mannered compared to most, but he could fire a few. He just did it one on one.
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Post by joe on Nov 12, 2019 18:50:28 GMT -5
Did you ever meet Dan Allen? You never messed up as much I did apparently. I love Coach A, and he was mild mannered compared to most, but he could fire a few. He just did it one on one. Yeah, but the whole yelling and screaming thing wasn’t his shtick. In our present culture I can see why an old school approach might present an issue.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 12, 2019 18:56:12 GMT -5
Absolutely absurd that this thread has reached 2 pages. Nearly as absurd that it was even started.
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Post by rickii on Nov 12, 2019 19:05:00 GMT -5
Every coach in America is going to yell and swear at the players. That is not going to change. If a kid can’t handle it then he can always transfer but not sure we’re you’ll go that it doesn’t happen especially in football or basketball. I’m sure even the great coaches as Coach K are known for their fiery language. Oh yes....just before every tip-off, Kazooski blesses himself.
And then proceeds to drop more f-bombs at the refs than can be counted !!
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Post by unhfan on Nov 12, 2019 19:17:54 GMT -5
Every coach in America is going to yell and swear at the players. That is not going to change. If a kid can’t handle it then he can always transfer but not sure we’re you’ll go that it doesn’t happen especially in football or basketball. I’m sure even the great coaches as Coach K are known for their fiery language. Oh yes....just before every tip-off, Kazooski blesses himself.
And then proceeds to drop more f-bombs at the refs than can be counted !!
But I hear he goes to confession regularly 😁
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 12, 2019 19:48:02 GMT -5
ok, I didn't want to start a firestorm - agree enough has been said about something we really don't have first hand knowledge about (where have I heard that expression on tv recently?) - let's cool it
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 12, 2019 19:49:33 GMT -5
Absolutely absurd that this thread has reached 2 pages. Nearly as absurd that it was even started. All stemming from one post on the Lehigh board.
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 12, 2019 20:37:43 GMT -5
1- if you object to a posting then DON'T READ IT!
2- concerning comments on gen. patton, etc:
soldiers at war are killed, blown up, maimed, etc college football players presumbably are not so treated.
when col. teddy roosevelt and the rough riders charged up san juan hill in the spanish-american war were they called for off sides? unsportsman like shooting?
GET A GRIP HERE!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 21:34:02 GMT -5
Some great leaders have seen the use of profanity as crucial to success--George S. Patton, of course, being the prime example. Her's the first two paragraphs from the "Modern War Institute at West Point" article on the subject. At the bottom of the post is a link if you'd like to read the full piece. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. liked to give it to them double dirty. When he wanted his men to remember something of importance, he laced it with plenty of profanity. As he put it, “You can’t run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn’t fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag.” Probably his best known speech, which he delivered with small variations on numerous occasions, was laced with expletives. This speech has become part of American culture, due in great part to George C. Scott’s Oscar-earning portrayal of the general in the 1970 movie, Patton. “The Speech” as Patton’s officers liked to call it, was full of “blood and guts” as well as plenty of cussing for effect. Patton was as much an actor as he was a fine general. He purposely cultivated what he called his “war face.” He was aware that his men were watching him constantly, and he strived to lead by his words as much as he did by his actions. Some officers found his use of obscenities in the speech disappointing, viewing it as unprofessional conduct. Patton’s onetime subordinate and later superior, Gen. Omar Bradley, was critical of his use of vulgar words and phrases. mwi.usma.edu/dropping-bombs-patton-profanity-character/Great post
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 21:36:09 GMT -5
Every coach in America is going to yell and swear at the players. That is not going to change. If a kid can’t handle it then he can always transfer but not sure we’re you’ll go that it doesn’t happen especially in football or basketball. I’m sure even the great coaches as Coach K are known for their fiery language. Did you ever meet Dan Allen? Did you ever meet Vince Sinagra? hahaha.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 13, 2019 0:07:46 GMT -5
If LU was playing better football, their fans might be more willing to tolerate the other things. However on Saturday, I've never seen a team that looked less prepared, particularly their OL. They lost 20-10, but the margin could have been much greater. Bucknell was driving late in the first half before a very ill-advised pass led to an INT and a LU score right at the end of the half. Then LU scored on a late fourth quarter drive, which was sustained by several questionable penalties. And finally Bucknell opted not to try to score while inside the LU 10 late in the game.
What had to be infuriating for their fans is that Bucknell blitzed on every play, and LU was totally confused - never picking up everyone. There were seven sacks (five by blitzers) and about another dozen QB hits (mostly by blitzers). Due to the way the NCAA tracks rushing yards, LU ended up with -6 yards rushing. They also converted 2 of 15 third down plays.
If they lose to Lafayette, there may be a mutiny.
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Post by td128 on Nov 13, 2019 8:34:01 GMT -5
With all due respect to those commenting on this, I welcome sharing that my views on this thread range from comical to pathetic to classless.
Obviously everybody is entitled to their opinions but I might guess that many posting here were not at the post-game reception on the field at Goodman Stadium after HC knocked off Lehigh. You would have witnessed dozens of Crusaders (many of whom drove 5-6 hours) who played for CTG embrace him and have numerous group photos taken with him. I commented on how special this scene was. The show of strong mutual respect was admirable by all involved.
Perhaps you also missed the fact that after that gathering, where did TG then head to? By invitation to attend the HC Parents post-game tailgate and further embrace those current Crusaders who played for him and more photo ops many of which I have seen. Lots of smiles and bear hugs.
TG may have some shortcomings -- as we all do -- but to take shots at an individual who bled Purple in the fashion that he did and give more airtime to situations at his current school that we likely have no specifics on . . . .well . . . wow . . . comical, pathetic, classless.
More than a small handful of current and former HC staff have told me that TG was one of the most well liked and respected individuals on campus.
I acknowledge that TG could wear people out given his manic intensity but there have been dozens of parents (including some current parents) who have told me that TG "delivered exactly what he told us when sitting in our living room or in his office."
I welcome sharing the following comment shared with me from a Crusader who played for TG: "I came to Holy Cross an overconfident if not downright cocky 18 year old. Four years later TG had made me a man."
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 13, 2019 9:09:16 GMT -5
Great post td128. I echo those same sentiments to the people who take shots at Chesney and his coaches on a weekly basis....comical, pathetic, classless. Well said.
Glimore had his time here. Many positives along those 14 years. Let's give this next group that same support.
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Post by joe on Nov 13, 2019 10:59:05 GMT -5
Every football coach since time immemorial had had his own style. Likewise, every player responds differently to different coaches. Some players perform best with someone in their grill, while for other players this can be a distraction. At the end of the day everyone chooses how to behave and accepts the consequences, good or bad. On the other hand, you also need to know what you're getting into and then either deal with it or walk away. Not everyone is a universal fit.
I agree let's move on. I hope Tom Gilmore does great at Lehigh except for 1 Saturday per year.
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 13, 2019 11:41:11 GMT -5
Oh yes....just before every tip-off, Kazooski blesses himself.
And then proceeds to drop more f-bombs at the refs than can be counted !!
But I hear he goes to confession regularly 😁 so much for the value of confession???
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 13, 2019 11:46:21 GMT -5
Some great leaders have seen the use of profanity as crucial to success--George S. Patton, of course, being the prime example. Her's the first two paragraphs from the "Modern War Institute at West Point" article on the subject. At the bottom of the post is a link if you'd like to read the full piece. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. liked to give it to them double dirty. When he wanted his men to remember something of importance, he laced it with plenty of profanity. As he put it, “You can’t run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn’t fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag.” Probably his best known speech, which he delivered with small variations on numerous occasions, was laced with expletives. This speech has become part of American culture, due in great part to George C. Scott’s Oscar-earning portrayal of the general in the 1970 movie, Patton. “The Speech” as Patton’s officers liked to call it, was full of “blood and guts” as well as plenty of cussing for effect. Patton was as much an actor as he was a fine general. He purposely cultivated what he called his “war face.” He was aware that his men were watching him constantly, and he strived to lead by his words as much as he did by his actions. Some officers found his use of obscenities in the speech disappointing, viewing it as unprofessional conduct. Patton’s onetime subordinate and later superior, Gen. Omar Bradley, was critical of his use of vulgar words and phrases. mwi.usma.edu/dropping-bombs-patton-profanity-character/" Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. liked to give it to them double dirty. When he wanted his men to remember something of importance, he laced it with plenty of profanity." maybe he was just trying to cover up for his well known squeaky little speaking voice?
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Post by unhfan on Nov 13, 2019 16:41:43 GMT -5
But I hear he goes to confession regularly 😁 so much for the value of confession??? [br That I guess could be said about many that use confession.
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 16, 2019 10:58:39 GMT -5
Do you think Nick Saban or Bill Bellichick don't absolutely tear into their players when it's appropriate?
Why don't we let this thread die or leave it to the Lehigh thread to pick up given it's not really relevant here anyway?
This seems to be the topic that won't end on this board...We get it, some people don't like CTG coaching style..
Keep in mind Gilmore coached at Lehigh before coming to HC, so I would assume they were aware of his coaching style before making the hire...
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2019 11:00:58 GMT -5
This country could use more Tom Gilmore’s.
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