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Post by bison137 on Dec 8, 2019 21:40:35 GMT -5
Gibbons didn’t make anything like what Carmody made and neither did Gilmore or Chesney. The men’s basketball coach has always been the 300 pound gorilla when it comes to coaches salaries. RW was the highest paid employee at HC. But Gibbons was making close to $200k in base salary - FAR more than the other women's coaches in the PL. Most are lucky to get $100k base. Carmody's base was $373K in 2017.- which is a lot more than most PL men's coaches - and I imagine Nelson isn't getting a lot less.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2019 22:02:56 GMT -5
And Gibbons was coaching what, 30 years? And was successful about until 5-7 years.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 8, 2019 22:18:10 GMT -5
In other words Gibbons and Carmody were paid far more than the successful effective coaches in the league. I like the Chesney model the best. Proven winner and turn around specialist at two previous schools, yet still affordable and still a step up. Coach Nelson offers great potential but not the proven head coach results Coach Chesney arrived with. Not that you can hold that against him. I'm sure he could have secured a head coaching position at a D3 or D-2 school a few years ago if he chose to pursue that.
If the Chesney era continues to be successful, perhaps that previous coaching path will be sought after when HC needs to hire head coaches.
I'm rooting for both ADMB and MBB coach BN and think both are fine gentlemen. But the only league championship Holy Cross has won in four years has been won by a team led by a coach who moved up from a D-2 school and not down from a Power Conference School.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 8, 2019 22:33:34 GMT -5
And Gibbons was coaching what, 30 years? And was successful about until 5-7 years. True - but he was paid close to double what other PL women's coaches were making - some of whom were better coaches than him. And a lot more than his peers in other conferences. Fwiw, his teams were under .500 in both PL play and OOC play for his last ten years of coaching combined.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 8, 2019 22:49:49 GMT -5
And Gibbons was coaching what, 30 years? And was successful about until 5-7 years. True - but he was paid close to double what other PL women's coaches were making - some of whom were better coaches than him. And a lot more than his peers in other conferences. Fwiw, his teams were under .500 in both PL play and OOC play for his last ten years of coaching combined. HC WBB was 18-13 last year IIRC. Does he get any credit for that, or were they under .500 when he stopped coaching? But yes, the last decade was a slow, painful decline into mediocrity.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2019 7:31:46 GMT -5
I probably missed the whole point. I mis-thought we were talking about the disparity of salaries of women coaches - a gender topic.
Just trying to show it wasn’t the gender of the coach that was the determinative factor but the sport and any sport, even football, at least at HC, ALL coaches got paid less than the men’s basketball coach.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 9, 2019 8:36:49 GMT -5
True - but he was paid close to double what other PL women's coaches were making - some of whom were better coaches than him. And a lot more than his peers in other conferences. Fwiw, his teams were under .500 in both PL play and OOC play for his last ten years of coaching combined. HC WBB was 18-13 last year IIRC. Does he get any credit for that, or were they under .500 when he stopped coaching? But yes, the last decade was a slow, painful decline into mediocrity. Fwiw, they were 11-9 overall under Gibbons, mostly due to an 8-3 record against a very weak OOC schedule. Team was 3-6 in PL games with him coaching, followed by 6-3 after he left. The previous two years they were 13-23 in PL regular season games and 0-2 in PL tournament games.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 9, 2019 8:48:36 GMT -5
Anyone interested in talking about the game?
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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 9:48:44 GMT -5
Sure, watched it this morning & I thought that with a very short bench, they played very well and nearly pulled it out. Swords clearly struggled, but I venture a guess that she well might have been under the weather, particularly as she only played 20 mins. Hopefully what every ails Ezemma & Faulkner is short term, if not, they are in big trouble as the season progresses. Not going to win many games if your bench consists of 2 frosh, one just coming back from an injury & Murphy still recovering from ACL surgery.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2019 9:52:54 GMT -5
Has the flu bug hit Holy Cross by any chance?
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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 9:57:37 GMT -5
That was also my initial thought, at least with Swords
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 9, 2019 11:08:45 GMT -5
interesting stat from the game - we were 14 of 32 from 3, and only 10 of 35 on 2 pt attempts
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2019 11:12:14 GMT -5
Anyone interested in talking about the game? I was watching Bills-Chiefs until I remembered HC was playing. I tuned in mid third quarter. I thought HC was stumped by 6'5" UMass center Donnelly and will have to practice going around a quality center, not right at her as Donnelly had ten dunks the last I remember the announcer saying.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2019 11:14:43 GMT -5
interesting stat from the game - we were 14 of 32 from 3, and only 10 of 35 on 2 pt attempts UMass is tall underneath.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 9, 2019 11:28:23 GMT -5
Look at MS's line in the boxscore.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 11:32:51 GMT -5
And?
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Post by sarasota on Dec 9, 2019 13:47:16 GMT -5
it speaks for itself
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Post by Ray on Dec 9, 2019 14:15:34 GMT -5
This seems kind of personal, sota.
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Post by lou on Dec 9, 2019 14:58:58 GMT -5
We have two MS's and one SM
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Post by timholycross on Dec 9, 2019 15:06:20 GMT -5
Soda, before you rejoined us, Swords was playing well. Big part of beating BC. All I can say. And she played well last year IIRC. So, give her some time. No one to replace her with anyway, Murphy cannot play many minutes. Demski, to be charitable, is making slow progress health wise, cannot contribute.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 15:25:17 GMT -5
Soda, before you rejoined us, Swords was playing well. Big part of beating BC. All I can say. And she played well last year IIRC. So, give her some time. No one to replace her with anyway, Murphy cannot play many minutes. Demski, to be charitable, is making slow progress health wise, cannot contribute. Demski tore an ACL right before this season started,, I believe the same leg as she tore in the beginning of her senior year in HS. She is out for the season
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Post by sarasota on Dec 9, 2019 15:36:03 GMT -5
Ray- I regret that it comes across as personal, but it's unavoidable. Full scholarship athletes are paid $280,000. (over four years) to play a game, a game that the public must pay to watch in person or via some streaming services. Such players and their coaches are fair game. I regret that they are young college students but other facts remain.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 9, 2019 15:42:10 GMT -5
Soda, before you rejoined us, Swords was playing well. Big part of beating BC. All I can say. And she played well last year IIRC. So, give her some time. No one to replace her with anyway, Murphy cannot play many minutes. Demski, to be charitable, is making slow progress health wise, cannot contribute. Swords is averaging 12 ppg, 8 rpg, and shooting 54%. Also very few turnovers. Numbers are all improved thus far over her junior year. That sounds pretty good, unless one only focuses on a sub-par game.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 15:43:25 GMT -5
So, in the wonderful world you live in, player can't have a bad game? Or better yet, get criticized for a bad game even though ill?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2019 16:01:29 GMT -5
Not sure where Sarasota is coming from other than one of the players had a sub-par game. IMO, that's a fair assessment and didn't see him assassinating anyone's character. In fact, technically, he didn't even name the player though we could guess.
I do take issue about them being "paid" $280K as that is not exactly correct and being on scholarship isn't our license to make unfair criticisms (his isn't, in my opinion, but there is very likely a solid explanation for the "off" game).
But, "the public must pay to watch in person or via some streaming services," no one is forcing Sarasota to pay to watch this team play in person or streaming. If he doesn't like what he is seeing, just don't watch.
And if memory serves, Sarasota in the past has proudly said he does not making any donations to Holy Cross. If that is correct and he doesn't come up to Worcester or go to any away games, he's not paying anything. I will stand corrected on this last part if I am wrong.
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