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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 22, 2019 13:43:13 GMT -5
This roster is obviously awful. One of the worst ever seen at HC. But, I don’t really care about how much talent or lack thereof there is in this program.
We just gave up 89 points to Sacred Heart at home.
Nelson shoulders some or the blame.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 13:44:06 GMT -5
Silver linings . . . Butler (17 and 17) with an outstanding game, and played hard all the time. Pridgen with 23 and 8, Wade showing glimpses.
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Post by hcnation on Dec 22, 2019 13:45:40 GMT -5
Butler 17 points, 17 rebounds How did he do when the game was on the line? |
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Post by classof83 on Dec 22, 2019 13:46:01 GMT -5
ACTP, you seem to have the inside scoop.
Where was Lowder? Is he hurt again?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 13:46:51 GMT -5
HC players, 6-5 and under - 53 points, 27 rebounds.
HC players, 6-6 and over - 15 points, 7 rebounds
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Post by hc87 on Dec 22, 2019 13:48:43 GMT -5
We really don't have the personnel to play M2M...I know that's anathema to many, but we really don't...hence 89 points (and I know we played mostly 2-3 in the 2nd)
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 13:48:44 GMT -5
Butler 17 points, 17 rebounds How did he do when the game was on the line? When was the game on the line? I must have missed that part.
He played his ass off in the second half, when he could have done a "Grandison" - let's give props where props are due.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2019 13:49:04 GMT -5
Butler 17 points, 17 rebounds And 7 assists not a bad line defense remains a puzzle for this group |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 13:50:09 GMT -5
We really don't have the personnel to play M2M...I know that's anathema to many, but we really don't...hence 89 points (and I know we played mostly 2-3 in the 2nd) We outscored them after we went zone. I don't claim it's the long-term solution, but short term, we need to win a few games. |
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Post by hc87 on Dec 22, 2019 13:51:20 GMT -5
SHU basically mailed in the 2nd H....we should play more zone but it wasn't the difference in the 2nd H imo
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Post by lou on Dec 22, 2019 13:52:49 GMT -5
just not quick enough for man. he better stick to zone if we are trying to win games
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 13:53:06 GMT -5
Niego, Faw, and Verbeek could disappear off the roster tomorrow, and we would be no worse.
Rabinovich plus two quality 2021 bigs required before we will become competitive.
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Post by alcovefan on Dec 22, 2019 13:53:07 GMT -5
Must be great to be Nelson, no downside or accountability. If we're good he's a coaching genius, if he's bad it's Carmody's fault. Frankly it doesn't even sound like he has to try to win because it's a deck chairs on the Titanic situation! I'm all for waiting and seeing on him, for years even, but he's not putting our guys in the best position to win games right now, and that's on him. We have one good player and he’s a freshman. The only thing that he has actually been able to impact so far is his first recruiting class, which looks excellent on paper. And there is a ton of downside for Nelson. If he can’t get the job done at HC, his chances of getting another head coaching job are very slim. You have completely absolved the coach of the responsibility of coaching. |
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Post by trimster on Dec 22, 2019 13:54:12 GMT -5
We really don't have the personnel to play M2M...I know that's anathema to many, but we really don't...hence 89 points (and I know we played mostly 2-3 in the 2nd) We outscored them after we went zone. I don't claim it's the long-term solution, but short term, we need to win a few games. We are saving the zone for league play. |
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Post by hcnation on Dec 22, 2019 13:56:23 GMT -5
How did he do when the game was on the line? When was the game on the line? I must have missed that part.
He played his ass off in the second half, when he could have done a "Grandison" - let's give props where props are due.
Ok, but post game Nelson said he had a rough first half . |
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Post by hc87 on Dec 22, 2019 13:56:54 GMT -5
It's well nigh impossible to evaluate HCBN this year imo....the lineup/rostah is so colossally bad....next year will begin his "evaluation process" imo...I'm still pushing for a veteran asst. next year btw  |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 22, 2019 14:09:13 GMT -5
We have one good player and he’s a freshman. The only thing that he has actually been able to impact so far is his first recruiting class, which looks excellent on paper. And there is a ton of downside for Nelson. If he can’t get the job done at HC, his chances of getting another head coaching job are very slim. You have completely absolved the coach of the responsibility of coaching. You say that like there are actually pieces that he should be coaching up. This team finished in last place in the PL last year and lost its three best players. There is extremely little to work with. Nelson is trying to pick up the pieces of a program that was neglected for four years. Nelson’s vision for the program going forward includes a man-to-man defense. While there may be very few pieces on the roster today that will be critical going forward, the only way they’re going to learn how to play M2M defense at the D1 level is by playing M2M defense. Playing a zone just because Carmody recruited a roster of with the majority of players who aren’t physical and poor defenses is not going to help the future of the program. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 22, 2019 14:10:29 GMT -5
ACTP, you seem to have the inside scoop. Where was Lowder? Is he hurt again? DNP CD. |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2019 14:10:55 GMT -5
Very difficult to watch that first half. I can only hope that Drew is being rested to get him ready for league play and not because of something serious. The way HC Started it looked as though there might be another game with well over 20 turnovers. However, that was not the case. 14 is not good, but the second half was much better. SHU is averaging over 78 ppg, so their point total is not something far out of line. (Remember HC is a club that had difficulty getting stops against a D3 team.)
The team played well in the second half - much better than they looked in the earlier period. Teamwork was there and they outscored and out rebounded SHU while stopping the crazy number of turnovers they had early on. Wade seems to be getting his shot back. Butler refuses to give up...ever. Pridgen played a solid game (even being double teamed and a few times triple teamed). The role of the coaches in helping individual players was seen in the second half. [Those who are trying to prove that Nelson is not up to this may have missed seeing what was going on.]
If you did not like watching this game (at least in the second half), then avoid watching HC at Siena. Massey has Siena as a 13 point favorite (81-68)...and SHU was only favored by 6. Massey does give HC a chance for the upset...a 13% chance. The team will still be young and will still make mistakes and if you miss seeing them there are a couple of folks who will highlight them for you as they go on about how hopeless all of this is (and still try to blame everything on past HC coaches). If Lowder is out, that does complicate things even more. However, the PL Season can be seen as a fresh start (starting on Jan 2 at Loyola MD).
HC has yet to get a win at home this year, so having 4 of their next 5 games on the road may actually not be all that bad.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 14:12:05 GMT -5
It's always darkest before the dawn. Not necessarily.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 14:14:07 GMT -5
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Post by hcnation on Dec 22, 2019 14:14:26 GMT -5
ACTP, you seem to have the inside scoop. Where was Lowder? Is he hurt again? DNP CD. Did not play -coach decision? If that’s the case why -was it because of his hip- |
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Post by classof83 on Dec 22, 2019 14:19:14 GMT -5
Did not play -coach decision? If that’s the case why -was it because of his hip- I didn't listen to the pre-game radio broadcast, but I did listen to the postgame. No mention why Lowder didn't play and no question by Dick Lutsk why. |
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 22, 2019 14:26:15 GMT -5
This roster is obviously awful. One of the worst ever seen at HC. But, I don’t really care about how much talent or lack thereof there is in this program. We just gave up 89 points to Sacred Heart at home. Nelson shoulders some or the blame. He shoulders no blame! These are not his players. |
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Post by alcovefan on Dec 22, 2019 14:33:58 GMT -5
This roster is obviously awful. One of the worst ever seen at HC. But, I don’t really care about how much talent or lack thereof there is in this program. We just gave up 89 points to Sacred Heart at home. Nelson shoulders some or the blame. He shoulders no blame! These are not his players. That's a preposterous take. |
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