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Post by deep Purple on Dec 22, 2019 14:41:30 GMT -5
He shoulders no blame! These are not his players. That's a preposterous take. Name the coach who would do a better job with these players?
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Post by possum on Dec 22, 2019 15:02:29 GMT -5
Lowder looked very disinterested today, in pre game sat on bench and didn't shoot around with other players at halftime was in layup line and went it came to his turn tossed the ball to the next player, if hurt and not going to play why even dress. Very poor effort first half many plays little or no effort, better in 2nd half but not the same pressure from SH. PG position is a disaster right now. Nice stats from Butler and Pridgen but all came in garbage time 2nd half. Never thought I'd see the day when we'd be non competitive versus SH. Coaches job is to make the players he has better, granted its a terrible roster but these guys are getting worse. Lack of hustle is a very bad sign and is not a good look for the coach.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2019 15:24:20 GMT -5
Easy to dismiss "effort" as unimportant because it came in "garbage time." That is an easy way to dismiss anything good that is seen and to say there is nothing good there. Lack of hustle is not a good look for anyone, but hustle was there for periods throughout the game and especially in the second half.
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Post by crusader12 on Dec 22, 2019 15:44:18 GMT -5
Where is Joel Osteen when you need him!?
The train wreck season continues......
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Post by timholycross on Dec 22, 2019 15:52:43 GMT -5
Can NESN switch to something else please? my DVR is toast...didn't know it until I started watching the game and it kept bouncing around, from 10-6 to 19-8 to 29-12...back to 10-6 and so on until I gave up. I consider it an early Christmas present not having to watch that
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Post by hc87 on Dec 22, 2019 15:57:21 GMT -5
Where is Joel Osteen when you need him!? The train wreck season continues...... I was once pre-med, rather than prayer, I prescribe HCBN start drinking very heavily....
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Post by dadominate on Dec 22, 2019 16:37:49 GMT -5
That's a preposterous take. Name the coach who would do a better job with these players? we're 1-11 with several atrocious losses, including arguably the two worst losses in program history. i'm long on nelson, and this is not a strong roster, but absolving him of any responsibility is crazy. there are many coaches who would be doing a better job with these players. we were clearly more talented than umass boston and are not this much less talented than some of the teams that have smoked us.
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Post by spenser on Dec 22, 2019 16:39:16 GMT -5
Spring football in a few months.... Sitting there I thought exactly the same thing. The Guinness at Breen’s was good.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 22, 2019 16:44:27 GMT -5
Spring football in a few months.... Sitting there I thought exactly the same thing. The Guinness at Breen’s was good. It always is! Cheers and Merry Christmas!
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 22, 2019 16:50:25 GMT -5
Name the coach who would do a better job with these players? we're 1-11 with several atrocious losses, including arguably the two worst losses in program history. i'm long on nelson, and this is not a strong roster, but absolving him of any responsibility is crazy. there are many coaches who would be doing a better job with these players. we were clearly more talented than umass boston and are not this much less talented than some of the teams that have smoked us. There is not a coach past, present or future that would win with this team. I don't care if you clone Red Auerbach. They stunk last year and the three best players from last years sorry a$s team are gone. I was at the UMass Boston game. The players on this team were not clearly more talented than them. They were of equal talent and the better players on that night ended up winning.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 22, 2019 16:54:00 GMT -5
Verbeek showing flashes. He's only a Soph. I remember Clifford and Whearty only blossomed in Junior Yr. Possible difference with Verbeek is that his metabolism may not be able to put on muscle. Butler is a warrior personified. Have to give him enormous kudos as he knows what's going on with the rest of the team. Concerned about HCBN's rigidity in not being willing to go zone as a temporary fix for this season.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 22, 2019 17:04:49 GMT -5
Verbeek showing flashes. He's only a Soph. I remember Clifford and Whearty only blossomed in Junior Yr. Possible difference with Verbeek is that his metabolism may not be able to put on muscle. Butler is a warrior personified. Have to give him enormous kudos as he knows what's going on with the rest of the team. Concerned about HCBN's rigidity in not being willing to go zone as a temporary fix for this season. Don't know whether it is rigidity or persistence in teaching m2m fundamentals. The proof will be in the pudding in the future. If HC steadily becomes a better m2m defensive team it's persistence. BN does seem to have a placid demeanor during these disturbing losses, which is neither good or bad just his personal style I guess.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2019 17:07:00 GMT -5
First game back on campus since the UNH football game. Good to see NAD, Tom, Crucis & fils, 45, 8485 and family (hope I didn't forget anyone).
First few minutes and my reaction was both teams are terrible. Lots of unforced turnovers and missed shots. The problem was, we continued in that vein, maybe even got worse and the Pioneers got better and started hitting their open 3s of which there seemed to be plenty.
The positives, of which there were not many, AB remains a warrior and never quits. He seemed to be the only Crusader getting rebounds. Pridgen was excellent at times and, like most freshmen, off his game at other times. Outside of those two, not much positive. Wade was better than he has been in many games but still not stellar. Being the Christmas season, no comment on the other players.
While we can bemoan the players that Carmody recruited, they are Brett's guys now. To my untrained eye, it appears the team is playing worse than they did earlier in the season. I suppose we could chalk today off to finals week. Not sure how much practice they are able to get in. But as others have already posted, the passes directly to Pioneers and the ones that were made at half speed that were intercepted or deflected are really not so much lack of talent but lack of focus and attention. That is not on Carmody. The 50/50 loose balls seemed to go 90/10 to Sacred Heart. On occasion a loose ball just bouncing around with the HC player closest but flat-footed making no move toward it and went the Pioneers way.
Rebounding? Carmody gone. Still an issue. Can't count how many missed shots that were 3 feet from the hoop. Some in traffic, some not. Just rimmed out. Not sure when/how is will get better this year.
The program has fallen to new lows when you spend a good chuck of a game against Sacred Heart down 30-33 points and feel like it's a comeback to "only" lose by 21.
When/if Drew Lowder gets back on the court, is he going to make that much of a difference? Or will we just lose these games by 8-10 points instead of 21?
It was great to be back on campus with my two sons and grandson and all the good fans at the Hart Center. If only the game didn't spoil the occasion.
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Post by Tom on Dec 22, 2019 17:26:22 GMT -5
I am puzzled by our substitution patterns
In the last home game, there was some iron man stuff going on with basically no substitutions for the last 10 minutes. The group was Pridgen, Butler, Wade, Yeutter, and Verbeek
Today the second half went iron man again. Pridgen, Butler, and Wade again. However, today Hargis got 20 minutes and Niego got 15. Verbeek did get in for the last 5. Copeland had been playing well. Maybe still struggling with the flu, but just a short run in the first half today.
Lots of posters are down on Faw, but he had more rebounds per 40 today than even Butler who had a big day on the boards. Yes, he's a lot taller and tiny sample size of minutes makes ratios tough
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2019 17:34:27 GMT -5
Name the coach who would do a better job with these players? we're 1-11 with several atrocious losses, including arguably the two worst losses in program history. i'm long on nelson, and this is not a strong roster, but absolving him of any responsibility is crazy. there are many coaches who would be doing a better job with these players. we were clearly more talented than umass boston and are not this much less talented than some of the teams that have smoked us. Watching the games Nelson seems to go with the younger kids that he believes will play m/m best, but once the game starts in general it looks like an AAU game-no structured offense and players go 1-1 as you please, and defense is if and when you want. For the moment it appears as if he has given up on Faw and Verbeek with Niego not far behind. If that is the case and no other adjustments are made the PL coaches will have a plan to shut down Pridgen, Lowder and Butler. In fairness to the kids, the staff needs to offer a transition style that develops them for the future while giving them a chance to win today. But I am sure Nelson has a plan that he is waiting to deliver. for those in attendance you have a much better sense of in game teaching-hard to tell from PLN and NESN- any insights to share??
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 22, 2019 17:44:19 GMT -5
I am puzzled by our substitution patterns In the last home game, there was some iron man stuff going on with basically no substitutions for the last 10 minutes. The group was Pridgen, Butler, Wade, Yeutter, and Verbeek Today the second half went iron man again. Pridgen, Butler, and Wade again. However, today Hargis got 20 minutes and Niego got 15. Verbeek did get in for the last 5. Copeland had been playing well. Maybe still struggling with the flu, but just a short run in the first half today. Lots of posters are down on Faw, but he had more rebounds per 40 today than even Butler who had a big day on the boards. Yes, he's a lot taller and tiny sample size of minutes makes ratios tough Tom--come on. Faw had 1 rebound in 2 minutes of play--can't really say he had a good rebounding day. He also had one PF. So I guess we could say today that he had 20 rebounds per 40 minutes....but 20 personal fouls as well.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 17:51:49 GMT -5
I am puzzled by our substitution patterns Lots of posters are down on Faw, but he had more rebounds per 40 today than even Butler who had a big day on the boards. Yes, he's a lot taller and tiny sample size of minutes makes ratios tough I'll give you credit for seeing that glass of whatever you're drinking as half full.
Faw played two minutes today, following close on the heels of his 5 minute/5 foul atrocity vs. Canisius. On the per 40 front . . . in the last six games, he has 19 fouls in 63 minutes, or 12 PF/40. In those six games, he has more fouls than rebounds, nearly as many fouls as points. On the season he's averaging about 10 PF/40.
It's clear to me that Nelson has zero confidence in him, and I don't see how that's likely to change. He simply does not contribute much of anything, other than a natural knack for hacking..
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2019 17:51:49 GMT -5
While many are critical of Faw I feel badly for the kid. He is a stretch 4 asked to play inside and defend against a stronger quicker big and never had to defend in HS or in college with Floyd.
Take advantages of his strengths and he can add value to this group. Make Pridgen tougher defensively and play him in the post like Hochstein and you might have a few answers on both ends
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 17:56:11 GMT -5
I feel bad for Faw, too. However, sympathizing with him shouldn't obscure the fact that he isn't an asset on the court.
And while we're on the subject, we need to recognize that Niego has pretty much the same profile. They were recruited to play in a different system, where toughness, interior play, rebounding, and defense were not valued.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2019 18:00:38 GMT -5
Agree and if Nelson wants to win this year or next I believe he needs to play a style that fits the roster. That said his goal might be to free up three spots by moving them out so he can accelerate the recruitment of his type of player
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 22, 2019 18:25:45 GMT -5
I'm strongly opposed to pushing players out of the program. That's not what Holy Cross is about. If that means we're in the crapper for three years, so be it.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 22, 2019 18:32:47 GMT -5
his goal might be to free up three spots by moving them out so he can accelerate the recruitment of his type of player Would the HC administration allow that?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2019 18:44:20 GMT -5
Never nor do I ever want to see it happen
Was almost joking
But the following could be possible Niego gets a RS year and leaves Verbeek wants to play and transfers Faw graduates in May/July and plays elsewhere
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Post by timholycross on Dec 22, 2019 18:45:04 GMT -5
My feeling, until it's demonstrated otherwise, is that those players are not being cheated out of minutes
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2019 18:48:47 GMT -5
Never said cheated Just saying they don’t fit the new system and feel badly for them.
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