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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 5, 2020 14:04:28 GMT -5
Great win.
I couldn’t understand why Lowder wasn’t in the game on the second to last offensive possession.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2020 14:05:35 GMT -5
Loved the “onions” on that Lowder winner. No hesitation. Wanted the shot. No idea why he was being subbed out so much down the stretch. He was being manhandled defensively. Should have been subbed in when we had the ball, though
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Post by efg72 on Jan 5, 2020 14:08:10 GMT -5
Despite fouling out Faw looked much different today and was important to the final outcome if he hadn't fouled out would Lowder have been in the game? Only the coach can tell you the answer. In fairness to Verbeek, I think his length, aggressiveness and fronting Wieck, worked well. It also seemed to push Faw. In games officiated all season, they both would have fouled out early. Refs allowing the kids to play was a big help-imho And would be great to see all games called that way
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Post by lou on Jan 5, 2020 14:10:27 GMT -5
we went a long time from 47 to about 51 or 52, we were fortunate that they didn't score much either. That's when I want to see more of Lowder, who can make a jump shot when we need one
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Post by dadominate on Jan 5, 2020 14:10:33 GMT -5
What a great win for this new coach and this struggling team. We looked good today except from the foul line Pretty solid game by that D-3 player Austin Butleryou mean andy dalton?!? lol. butler is a tough sob, a good player/leader, and we're very lucky to have him at holy cross.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2020 14:11:13 GMT -5
Navy EFG, 46% - lowest of any D1 opponent this year.
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Post by hcnation on Jan 5, 2020 14:11:17 GMT -5
One of the refs is John Gaffney, a Big East, ACC ref Nice called game overall Playing on Sunday you get better refs
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Post by Ray on Jan 5, 2020 14:12:49 GMT -5
Very nice win!
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Post by efg72 on Jan 5, 2020 14:13:08 GMT -5
What a great win for this new coach and this struggling team. We looked good today except from the foul line Pretty solid game by that D-3 player Austin Butleryou mean andy dalton?!? lol. butler is a tough sob, a good player/leader, and we're very lucky to have him at holy cross. Amen
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2020 14:14:32 GMT -5
Didn't do a good job on the D-boards (66%), but solid on the O-glass (32%.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 5, 2020 14:17:46 GMT -5
Definitely savoring this awesome win, Lowder's shot the successor to Rob Champion's playoff miracle shot but......I emailed Nelson several wks ago and said that someone needs to work with Pridgen on his FT motion, which will never yield consistent successful results. But for Lowder's shot, we would have lost the game off of Pridgen's atrocious FT shooting.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 5, 2020 14:20:04 GMT -5
Anyone know the attendance for this one?
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Post by dadominate on Jan 5, 2020 14:21:31 GMT -5
Great win. I couldn’t understand why Lowder wasn’t in the game on the second to last offensive possession. that apparently makes at least three of us who have posted the same... woogray, as far as "what a point guard is supposed to be", i think you're being a little hard on a freshman who is barely 10 games into his career. his assist numbers are solid and his defense, while not his strong suit right now and in need of improvement imo, is not as atrocious as you've been making it out to be. his scoring ability is exceptional and we don't have many other scorers, although he has done a nice job of getting them involved. the bottom line is that we are much better with lowder on the court than without him. is this even debatable? lowder has stones the size of texas, which is welcomed after being a passive/reactive program for much of the past decade. his three to win the game today was what one might expect from a senior, not a freshman. lowder appears as if he may be our best point guard since the great torey thomas. torey, as you likely recall, struggled with shot selection and playing under control as a freshman. while any freshman, or player of any class for that matter, will have ups and downs, lowder's game will continue to mature and i hope to see him on the court as much as possible.
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Post by hcnation on Jan 5, 2020 14:21:32 GMT -5
Anyone know the attendance for this one? 1,218
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2020 14:24:01 GMT -5
I was one of the few who predicted the win by HC. And, do not believe your eyes. The Hart was packed with screaming, maniacal HC fans. Who do you believe? Me/ Or, your lying eyes. LoveHC After the HC MBB game, a Northeastern-Hofstra WBB came on NESN. It's at Mathews Arena, the old decrepit Boston Arena which used to be the poor man's Boston Garden back in the day. It's been beautifully refurbished by NU with bright gleaming red theater style seats as far as the eye can see, but the visual is absurd with only a handful of fans. The Hart Center is appropriately sized and creates a good home environment for HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2020 14:28:27 GMT -5
HE WAS ONLY IN BECAUSE FAW FOULED OUT....and the play was for Joe (AGAIN). GTFOH! Delusional at best!! But probably much more than that. Nelson will get it done at HC. Just not with this PG. What does GTFOH stand for? You can use an asterisk for the F if necessary.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2020 14:30:45 GMT -5
woogray, as far as "what a point guard is supposed to be", i think you're being a little hard on a freshman who is barely 10 games into his career. his assist numbers are solid and his defense, while not his strong suit right now and in need of improvement imo, is not as atrocious as you've been making it out to be. his scoring ability is exceptional and we don't have many other scorers, although he has done a nice job of getting them involved. the bottom line is that we are much better with lowder on the court than without him. is this even debatable? lowder has stones the size of texas, which is welcomed after being a passive/reactive program for much of the past decade. his three to win the game today was what one might expect from a senior, not a freshman. I am assuming you watched the game, dado. If so, you must have seen that Lowder's approach was radically different today - pass-first every time down court, consistently looking for open teammates in scoring position throughout possessions, rather than dribbling to create his own shot. His penultimate three was a great example - he passed up a deep three to give Wade (3-5 from deep at the time) a better shot. After Wade missed, and Lowder got the ball back, then he let it fly.
When Lowder plays the way he did today, we are a much better team. No debate about that - and the scoreboard agrees.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 5, 2020 14:31:08 GMT -5
The coach drew the play to get the ball to Lowder. If the coach didn’t actually want Lowder around (or didn’t know how to handle a player, as some have foolishly suggested), he likely wouldn’t still be around and definitely wouldn’t have come off the bench to be featured in the final set. Nelson appears to be the real deal. The program is finally back in good hands. An HC70-Milan Brown love affair for the current generation. nelson is not bill carmody, so now we are seeing the reverse of what we heard ad nauseum the last five years in that every good play is because of coaching and not the players that carmody brought to hc. hilarious, really! but whatever, i am also long on nelson as he learns the head coaching ropes just as the freshmen learn the college basketball ropes and this was a big win for the TEAM.
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Post by pegleg on Jan 5, 2020 14:31:11 GMT -5
It's been a while since I've thrown in my two cents here, but I thought that today's effort deserved a tip of my tattered old purple cap. Congratulations to Coach Nelson and his troops on their first W on Mt. St. James this year and on what looked to me ( I didn't see the Mercer game) to be their best all-around game of this campaign. The bright side was created by 10 for 22 3-point shooting and 4 pretty blocks, 3 by a determined Matt Faw, and 5 hustling steals. In my eyes this was their best (far from perfect, but the best nevertheless) defensive game of the year. On the down side, offensively our guys continue to too often fail to value possession of the ball, with far too many careless passes and some pretty sloppy ball handling. Twelve turnovers aren't the worst we've seen, but our guys should be doing a much better job of holding on to the ball and maximizing possessions. The bottom line nevertheless is still the bottom line and this victory was earned the hard way against a skilled, balanced and determined Navy squad. Congratulations, Crusaders! Nice ballgame.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2020 14:32:05 GMT -5
HE WAS ONLY IN BECAUSE FAW FOULED OUT....and the play was for Joe (AGAIN). GTFOH! Delusional at best!! But probably much more than that. Nelson will get it done at HC. Just not with this PG. What does GTFOH stand for? You can use an asterisk for the F if necessary. Just bought a vowel and will guess: "Get the * out of here"😁
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2020 14:35:08 GMT -5
What does GTFOH stand for? You can use an asterisk for the F if necessary. Just bought a vowel and will guess: "Get the * out of here"😁 Would be nice if he could take his own advice.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2020 14:36:04 GMT -5
My guess: Lowder graduates from HC and works his way well onto the all time 1000 point scorer's list along with Pridgen, Butler and Wade while Green and Grandy don't make any all time lists at any school they attended.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 5, 2020 14:37:55 GMT -5
woogray, as far as "what a point guard is supposed to be", i think you're being a little hard on a freshman who is barely 10 games into his career. his assist numbers are solid and his defense, while not his strong suit right now and in need of improvement imo, is not as atrocious as you've been making it out to be. his scoring ability is exceptional and we don't have many other scorers, although he has done a nice job of getting them involved. the bottom line is that we are much better with lowder on the court than without him. is this even debatable? lowder has stones the size of texas, which is welcomed after being a passive/reactive program for much of the past decade. his three to win the game today was what one might expect from a senior, not a freshman. I am assuming you watched the game, dado. If so, you must have seen that Lowder's approach was radically different today - pass-first every time down court, consistently looking for open teammates in scoring position rather than dribbling to create his own shot. His penultimate three was a great example - he passed up a deep three to give Wade (3-5 from deep at the time) a better shot. After Wade missed, and Lowder got the ball back, then he let it fly.
When Lowder plays the way he did today, we are a much better team. No debate about that - and the scoreboard agrees. the best we have played all season was the first half of maryland, in which lowder was unstoppable. the "pass first" distinction you are making is not that black or white, yes or no. and i agree that you want a pass first point guard all the time if you are the golden state warriors or loaded with scorers. that's not us. as long as he isn't forcing up kamikaze drives and throwing up 2-12 types of performances, which he has not been doing, i have no problem with lowder looking to penetrate to score or shoot when there are only a few other consistent scoring options on the team as is the case with this team. i was obviously happy with his performance today, but don't understand why he only played 20 minutes or so and was not in the game in stretches of crunch time. a win is a win, and i'll take it, but without that big-time three it wasn't a win and these questions would feel worse.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2020 14:47:14 GMT -5
Lowder could be on a loose pitch count of 20-25 minutes or so in deference to his hip injury.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2020 14:48:18 GMT -5
Another thing about Lowder today that I hadn't seen - he looked very pumped and into it, even when he was on the bench. In general, the guys all looked more energized, in fact.
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