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Post by timholycross on Feb 8, 2020 17:53:20 GMT -5
In the case of this game, at least in the portions that were VISIBLE ON TELEVISION (thanks, Stadium, the telecast was tutti-disaster-di-disasters), the 3 ball attempts were not particularly good shots.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 8, 2020 20:57:33 GMT -5
Manis is the leader. I think her decline in recent games is connected to the team's decline.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 9, 2020 13:58:43 GMT -5
Tough to win close games when you're dead last in PL games from the foul line - we're shooting 61 pct In PL games Manis is obviously struggling as she's shooting only at a 38 pct clip from the field and 68 pct from the line (not bad but below her career level)
Coach Mac has to be feeling like this is a crucial week coming up as we're in 6th place with a 6-5 record and need to right the ship Wednesday vs. Lehigh
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Post by bkny on Feb 9, 2020 20:56:20 GMT -5
Geez, let’s not be too tough on this team. They do have 13 wins where about 250 D1 teams DON’T. Can they play better? Maybe, but a season ending injury and numerous nagging injuries have taken it’s toll lately. They’ve been in every game with maybe the exception of 2. Support this team it could be a lot worse.
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Post by coachrt on Feb 10, 2020 8:34:57 GMT -5
I agree. The team is a little beat up at this point in the season. Also, if I'm a betting man 95% chance Coach AM gets the job. Players like her and you need to give her a chance to recruit. So I have a feeling HC isn't going to waste time and money doing a search when a capable in house person already exists.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 10, 2020 8:59:56 GMT -5
What's her (or the school's) plan to widen its recruiting efforts; we don't even bring in kids from far away that go to prep school in NE.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 10, 2020 9:41:49 GMT -5
I would suggest we’re the only D.1 with four senior starters and that includes the preseason POY and the 2019 ROY. I am simply looking at the games on video and asking myself how do we look ? If not very good then I point to the players ‘and’ the coach. I think all of us can agree we look forward to a strong finish to the season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 10, 2020 10:15:38 GMT -5
I agree. The team is a little beat up at this point in the season. Also, if I'm a betting man 95% chance Coach AM gets the job. Players like her and you need to give her a chance to recruit. So I have a feeling HC isn't going to waste time and money doing a search when a capable in house person already exists. Remember the mass exodus of the men’s team with the coaching change to someone from the outside...that has worked so well.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 10, 2020 11:17:10 GMT -5
the men's team defections were good players - name me one player (other than AL) on our present roster who is ready to make on impact in 20-21 ? Next year is shaping up as a tough one, and if our recruiting from the last two cycles had not been mediocre we would not be in this predicament - I'm relying on ADMB to make the right decision - he's a 'basketball' guy, and one of his options has to be a total re-boot.
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Post by coachrt on Feb 10, 2020 11:41:27 GMT -5
I hate to say it but ADMB is more than likely leaning toward keeping the head coach. She was a successful head coach, been a loyal employee (well sort of), and the players like her. In his mind the thing that causes him the least headache is give her the job and hopefully in time she can turn things around.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 10, 2020 12:45:52 GMT -5
I agree. The team is a little beat up at this point in the season. Also, if I'm a betting man 95% chance Coach AM gets the job. Players like her and you need to give her a chance to recruit. So I have a feeling HC isn't going to waste time and money doing a search when a capable in house person already exists. Reasonable, but the AD has full knowledge of why there have been only two Assistant Coaches present this season and we don't so that may factor into any decision. For all we know ADMB might be extremely thankful for the way Coach Mac has handled that situation and everything else about the team compared to the player attrition on the men's team. But we just don't know. HC has done a very good job of respecting student and employee confidentiality.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 11, 2020 10:33:36 GMT -5
One thing I've up to now not figured into the whole recruiting situation is the budget that AM and her predecessor are working under.
Is it feasible for their assistants to make visits to a lot of places requiring a flight? Perhaps the smaller footprint they seem to recruit in is a necessity.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 11, 2020 10:58:51 GMT -5
The Dept. Gas card gets them well into Pennsylvania every year. But that doesn't mean we've gotten elite recruits from the Keystone State.
I would double up efforts in New England and NY/NJ. Isn't that where most of our production comes from?
What do we have to do to get more recruits like Lauren Manis, Amy O'Brien, Anna Kinne and Sherry Levin from Mass.?
Isn't there some small multiplier effect when somebody is a star in HS in MA. and then they play at a MA college? Doesn't that help make the college a little more "us" as opposed to "them" in the community?
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Post by timholycross on Feb 11, 2020 19:13:59 GMT -5
Yes, but you can't count on there being enough good players coming from a small state that isn't particularly good in basketball. They aren't all good fits.
Mary Helen Walker came from St. Louis. Anne Lambiotte came from Virginia. A couple of our best players back in the day.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 11, 2020 19:27:49 GMT -5
And Amanda Abraham was from Michigan - as I’ve stated, whoever the coach is we have to greatly expand our recruiting - look at the men’s team for example
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 11, 2020 21:00:25 GMT -5
If Geno had only recruited in the state of CT and New England, I wonder how many national championships he would have won? In D1 Basketball, you have to recruit the best players that are qualified, eligible and have a desire to attend the school, regardless of their geographical location. Even in D3, colleges recruit beyond their back yard for their programs. Trinity College in Hartford has a nationally ranked Women Squash program. In looking at the roster, there are players from multiple countries other than the US. www.bantamsports.com/sports/wsquash/2019-20/rosterI would love to see Holy Cross Athletics have that outlook and recruiting focus in our Olympic sports.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 11, 2020 21:19:40 GMT -5
And Amanda Abraham was from Michigan - as I’ve stated, whoever the coach is we have to greatly expand our recruiting - look at the men’s team for example Expanding the recruiting area might help - but I’m not sure it’s essential. There are a lot more more D1~level recruits who fit under the AI on the women’s side than on the men’s, so it’s less important to look far afield. Also more women’s players seem to care more about the quality of the school than on what league it is in. Bucknell right now is in first place in the PL, starting four players from eastern Pennsylvania and one from Kentucky. Previous year’s championship team started three from PA, one from northern NJ, and one from Iowa. Their 2016-17 championship team had three starters from PA, one from Norhern NJ, and one from Michigan. All of the players not from PA/NJ were originally spotted at AAU events, not on any midwestern recruiting trip. fwiw, I am sure the HC recruiting budget the last few years has been one of the higher ones in the PL.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 11, 2020 21:22:59 GMT -5
HC WBB recruiting has been limited not by geography, but by vision.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 11, 2020 21:50:47 GMT -5
HC WBB recruiting has been limited not by geography, but by vision. Ouch. But true.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 11, 2020 21:59:13 GMT -5
And Amanda Abraham was from Michigan - as I’ve stated, whoever the coach is we have to greatly expand our recruiting - look at the men’s team for example Expanding the recruiting area might help - but I’m not sure it’s essential. There are a lot more more D1~level recruits who fit under the AI on the women’s side than on the men’s, so it’s less important to look far afield. Also more women’s players seem to care more about the quality of the school than on what league it is in. Bucknell right now is in first place in the PL, starting four players from eastern Pennsylvania and one from Kentucky. Previous year’s championship team started three from PA, one from northern NJ, and one from Iowa. Their 2016-17 championship team had three starters from PA, one from Norhern NJ, and one from Michigan. All of the players not from PA/NJ were originally spotted at AAU events, not on any midwestern recruiting trip. fwiw, I am sure the HC recruiting budget the last few years has been one of the higher ones in the PL. . It makes me think of something that is not measurable, but interesting nonetheless. When Doug Flutie electrified the state in the early to mid '80s and gave BC a huge push it's still benefitting from, how much of a factor was it that he was from nearby Natick "the home of champions," MA.? It certainly didn't hurt.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 11, 2020 22:01:49 GMT -5
No idea. But I do know that in the decade after Flutie that BU and Northeastern made bigger gains than did BC.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 11, 2020 22:04:13 GMT -5
HC WBB recruiting has been limited not by geography, but by vision. not sure if it’s vision or just general recruiting mediocrity. But I don’t think that the majority of recent problems can be blamed on failure to recruit nationally or on the recruiting budget.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 11, 2020 23:30:06 GMT -5
The lack of vision and living in the past has led to mediocrity. Geno and others adapted to a changing landscape in WBB. HC WBB did not.
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