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Post by longsuffering on Feb 13, 2020 13:43:51 GMT -5
bbc...thanks for the interesting analysis. I would also point our that our short bench by itself limits steals because players are less likely to risk fouling by trying for a steal in some situations. And the well known "too pooped to pilfer" effect on players playing close to 40 minutes.😊
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Post by timholycross on Feb 13, 2020 15:16:33 GMT -5
I would also say a 1-3-1 is more of a gambling defense, get steals in some cases, get burned in other cases (the guys on the wings last year should have had to buy courtside seats as they ended up in them so much!).
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 13, 2020 17:10:58 GMT -5
I would also say a 1-3-1 is more of a gambling defense, get steals in some cases, get burned in other cases (the guys on the wings last year should have had to buy courtside seats as they ended up in them so much!). Both the 1-3-1 and the match-up were fundamentally unsound and the "high risk, high reward" behavior that caused turnovers was an effort to compensate for that deficiency. I'd rather see us have a good half-court defense that stays home and sweeps the D-boards, like Bucknell under Paulsen, for example. Lousy turning people over and stealing the ball - won championships instead.
Bucknell - Opponent TO% Rank
2010-11. 295th 2011-12. 332nd 2012-13. 347th 2013-14. 346th 2014-15. 347th
Steals/Game. 2010-11. 322nd 2011-12. 341st 2012-13. 346th 2013-14. 321st 2014-15. 345th
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 13, 2020 19:27:46 GMT -5
I would also say a 1-3-1 is more of a gambling defense, get steals in some cases, get burned in other cases (the guys on the wings last year should have had to buy courtside seats as they ended up in them so much!). Both the 1-3-1 and the match-up were fundamentally unsound and the "high risk, high reward" behavior that caused turnovers was an effort to compensate for that deficiency. I'd rather see us have a good half-court defense that stays home and sweeps the D-boards, like Bucknell under Paulsen, for example. Lousy turning people over and stealing the ball - won championships instead.
Bucknell - Opponent TO% Rank
2010-11. 295th 2011-12. 332nd 2012-13. 347th 2013-14. 346th 2014-15. 347th
Steals/Game. 2010-11. 322nd 2011-12. 341st 2012-13. 346th 2013-14. 321st 2014-15. 345thÂ
Screw Paulsen, let’s shoot for RW and have all of the above!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 13, 2020 20:20:37 GMT -5
Both the 1-3-1 and the match-up were fundamentally unsound and the "high risk, high reward" behavior that caused turnovers was an effort to compensate for that deficiency. I'd rather see us have a good half-court defense that stays home and sweeps the D-boards, like Bucknell under Paulsen, for example. Lousy turning people over and stealing the ball - won championships instead.
Bucknell - Opponent TO% Rank
2010-11. 295th 2011-12. 332nd 2012-13. 347th 2013-14. 346th 2014-15. 347th
Steals/Game. 2010-11. 322nd 2011-12. 341st 2012-13. 346th 2013-14. 321st 2014-15. 345th
Screw Paulsen, let’s shoot for RW and have all of the above! RW once took a a rag tag non-scholarship bunch and made them competitive -- at least on the defensive end -- in year one, but you knew that. No one is expecting good, average, or -- quite frankly -- even bad at this point under Nelson. However, the defense being ranked nearly dead last in the country raises eyebrows. It just does. Coaching under Wojo for a few years doesn't make me all that optimistic from a defensive perspective.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 13, 2020 20:31:06 GMT -5
Rag tag ? Snakes, Szatko, Serravale,(18 games), Wilson, Pegues(15 games),Curry(12 games), Whearty(6 games)) Even with the missed games, that was a far superior group to what we have this season. i agree Willard did a great job with them, but they were miles above this group. Josh, Tim and Brian played in all 28. Who else but Joe would have played for that group ? Certainly none of this current front court.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 13, 2020 20:35:16 GMT -5
Rag tag ? Sankes, Szatko, Serravale, Wilson, Pegues, Curry(12 games), Whearty(6games) They cleaned up well.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 13, 2020 21:04:34 GMT -5
I was being hyperbolic, hch, but I also didn't recall Szatko and Wilson being on Willard's first team.
Point being, I don't buy Bring Back's excuse that the current roster has kids who aren't able to compete on the defensive end in the Patriot League. It's just not true.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 13, 2020 21:58:28 GMT -5
On the FB board there was discussion about coaches with a background in D-2&3 not being fully prepared for FCS. As it turned out, by year two they were more prepared than any other PL coaching staff.
There might be something to a coach with a P-6 background not being fully prepared for mid major BB. Like has been said about all 100 members of the US Senate, that they all at some point look in the mirror and see a future President, most P-6 players have probably at some point seen themselves as potential future NBA players.
In that environment the MBB coach might have a strong element of influence and control with the players because of the high priority basketball is to them. A PL MBB coach might have a different level of influence and control and have to learn how to approach things a little differently.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 13, 2020 23:53:21 GMT -5
Nelson is #10:
In the whole history of HC bball, no HC Head Coach had the fabulous college playing career that Brett Nelson had at Florida.....playing at the highest level.......not even close. So the Nelson phenomenon at HC is unprecedented. What does that mean for Nelson's future record at HC? Nobody knows. It's never happened before at HC. It did happen at Boston College when Bob Cousy became Head Coach there. We know what a sterling record Cousy had at BC. But that's not necessarily predictive of what Nelson will achieve at HC. If an HC recruit or player knows in detail what Nelson achieved playing at Florida, he ought to be in awe of Nelson. I know I am. So let's sit back and see what the future holds.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 14, 2020 8:28:53 GMT -5
I don't think we'd find a correlation between a coach's playing ability and his later success as a coach. Maybe for the truly famous players there could be some help in early recruiting but I don't see much beyond that
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Post by hc811215 on Feb 14, 2020 8:35:02 GMT -5
I don't think we'd find a correlation between a coach's playing ability and his later success as a coach. Maybe for the truly famous players there could be some help in early recruiting but I don't see much beyond that See Chris Mullin at St. John's.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 14, 2020 8:35:57 GMT -5
The Cooz’s name certainly helped him recruit at BC
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 14, 2020 8:41:56 GMT -5
I don't think we'd find a correlation between a coach's playing ability and his later success as a coach. Maybe for the truly famous players there could be some help in early recruiting but I don't see much beyond that In fact, you could make the argument that there is often an inverse correlation. Players whose lack of talent limits their participation sit on the bench and study the game instead, and find their true calling is to be a coach. Really good players who become coaches, on the other hand, can have unrealistic expectations for their charges, assume that "maximum effort" will turn every guy into an outstanding player, become impatient with individuals, etc.
Haven't researched it, but believe many - most? - of the great managers in MLB history (for example) were mediocre players.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2020 8:42:45 GMT -5
I don't think we'd find a correlation between a coach's playing ability and his later success as a coach. Maybe for the truly famous players there could be some help in early recruiting but I don't see much beyond that +1 Maybe it helps capture some attention when a recruit learns that he was a McDonald’s All-American and played for Billy Donovan at Florida, but that’s not going to help at all when putting together a scouting report to play Lafayette in Easton, PA in front of <1,000 on a Wednesday night in February. It’s similar to the foolish direction that the coaching search went on after Kearney was fired in only considering guys with head coaching experience.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 14, 2020 8:46:00 GMT -5
Ted Williams did not become a great manager.
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Post by possum on Feb 14, 2020 8:51:02 GMT -5
Sota I think you forgot how great a playing career George Blaney had, I'd match him up with Nelson any day.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 14, 2020 8:55:50 GMT -5
Ted Williams did not become a great manager. And by contrast, Jim Palmer once said that "The only thing Earl Weaver knows about a curve ball is that he couldn't hit one."
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 14, 2020 8:57:16 GMT -5
George had a cup of coffee in the NBA. Nelson played in Sweden.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 14, 2020 9:20:40 GMT -5
I don't think we'd find a correlation between a coach's playing ability and his later success as a coach. Maybe for the truly famous players there could be some help in early recruiting but I don't see much beyond that Show me the list of coaches your claim is based on.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 14, 2020 9:24:20 GMT -5
Sota I think you forgot how great a playing career George Blaney had, I'd match him up with Nelson any day. Loved George, but you gotta be kidding me. HC wasn't playing the top teams in the Country as Florida was.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 14, 2020 9:26:44 GMT -5
George had a cup of coffee in the NBA. Nelson played in Sweden. I'm considering what Nelson achieved on the court during COLLEGE ....and even in high school.
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Post by Tom on Feb 14, 2020 10:01:27 GMT -5
Sometimes it works out. Bobby Hurley is doing a nice job. John Wooden was an excellent player. Billy Donovan obviously. I think these guys are more exception than norm
I suppose it depends on what is a great college career, Coach K was a team captain at Army. I don't know much else. Bobby Knight was on some great Ohio St teams, but far from the best guy on those teams
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Post by hchoops on Feb 14, 2020 10:21:27 GMT -5
Knight was 6th man.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 14, 2020 11:07:11 GMT -5
I'd say it's a good bet most kids that play have no clue about whether their coach played or how good they were. Especially if the coach is mid 30s years old or older (which most are). If they were fans, the guy played before they were aware of that sort of thing. And, quite frankly, players are better off playing than watching. Something maybe I didn't do enough of (not that I was going to have much of a "career" anyway).
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