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Post by dharry13 on Jul 9, 2020 11:48:01 GMT -5
I’m not so sure that’s how it will work regarding the Seniors. I doubt they will come back and doubt the school will allow it - similar to lax kids.
In addition - so you don’t have a freshman class next year? How the heck does that work when the Seniors move on? That plan won’t happen.
They will continue to recruit toward a 20 ish player class.
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 9, 2020 12:08:34 GMT -5
who said 'you don't have a freshman class next year?' - not me I'm saying the league/school should give this year's seniors the opportunity to play another season and I would expect some (not all) to take it - we do it right now for kids who drop out in a spring semester and come back for a 5th year (in the case of an injury during their career) - I see no reason why these guys should be shown the door and see their college careers end this way given the extraordinary circumstances.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 9, 2020 12:13:09 GMT -5
I should think that if there is no season and if seniors are allowed to play another year the NCAA and its conferences will make higher the limit on scholarships. Otherwise the incoming class of fedhmen would be tremendously disadvantage, competing for maybe half the number of scholarships that were available to other classes
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 9, 2020 12:22:36 GMT -5
You might be right. I just don’t see that happening if there is no football in the Spring.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 9, 2020 16:32:04 GMT -5
Assuming the season is cancelled.
It would be extremely difficult to have a successful team with what would amount to two freshman classes (the one starting now and the one in 2021), plus, for the most part, an inexperienced group of what would then be juniors. Unless, of course, seniors were prohibited from returning at other schools as well.
And the program would be doubly screwed at the other end of the process when the class entering next month graduates and can play their fifth year elsewhere.
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Post by breezy on Jul 10, 2020 12:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Jul 14, 2020 20:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 14, 2020 21:11:30 GMT -5
Offer #171 Lance Rees 6’5 220 DE/TE from IL Offers from pretty much all Ivy, PL plus Eastern IL, Indiana State
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 23:56:39 GMT -5
I’m not so sure that’s how it will work regarding the Seniors. I doubt they will come back and doubt the school will allow it - similar to lax kids. In addition - so you don’t have a freshman class next year? How the heck does that work when the Seniors move on? That plan won’t happen. They will continue to recruit toward a 20 ish player class. The elephant in the room that no one is addressing right now is what does a spring football season even look like? Think about it. Are you going to start the spring season in the snow in March? Are we playing actual games at indoor practice facilities? If you do somehow succeed with a spring season, are you immediately going to start back up 2 months later? In my opinion, it would be stupid to return to school this year unless eligibility rules are spelled out. I don't see the spring option happening and if it does, will it really be worth losing a year of eligibility for?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 15, 2020 7:17:59 GMT -5
Football can’t be played in the snow ? Have you ever seen a game in Green Bay in December ?
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Post by Ignutz on Jul 15, 2020 7:32:52 GMT -5
Football can’t be played in the snow ? Have you ever seen a game in Green Bay in December ? Lacrosse starts at the beginning of February, right? I recall trying to watch a game on the PLN from Loyola a few years ago. While I could barely see the action, I could most certainly see the final score - a 13-12 Crusader W. Football should be able to be played in late February, March and April.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 15, 2020 10:12:37 GMT -5
We beat this to death already. The team has adequate (and, in fact, superior) practice facilities. Games can in a pinch be played on Father K's field and/or they don't schedule any home games until the end of March/beginning of April. Every school has turf in their stadium save for HC and Lehigh; shouldn't be that difficult to schedule around that. Apologies to the person that said Fitton's grass would be destroyed; unless there's a recent snowstorm or a week of monsoon rain; it'll be just fine. It's considerably superior to its predecessor surface.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 15, 2020 13:11:42 GMT -5
Football can’t be played in the snow ? Have you ever seen a game in Green Bay in December ? The potential timeline I have been reading has proposed an abbreviated 8 game season in the spring that would start on March 13 and extend through May 1 (with a possibility of increasing to 10 games through May 15), with preseason practices starting on February 1. The proposals also mention games taking place on Saturdays or Sundays to allow some flexibility for potential scheduling conflicts.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 15, 2020 13:38:03 GMT -5
Can you imagine Mr E mispronouncing this kid's last name?
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 15, 2020 13:38:06 GMT -5
Offer 172 Zach Young. DL - 6’4 240 br]From NJ. Only other offer from Lafayette
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Post by richh on Jul 16, 2020 9:48:20 GMT -5
Breezy
NCAA amended rules as to partial scholarship sports effective in August to allow stacking of merit/ need aid with partial schollies without counting that aid towards the schollie cap. If PL modifies, which I expect, this could be a significant factor for recruiting.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 16, 2020 11:33:00 GMT -5
We beat this to death already. The team has adequate (and, in fact, superior) practice facilities. Games can in a pinch be played on Father K's field and/or they don't schedule any home games until the end of March/beginning of April. Every school has turf in their stadium save for HC and Lehigh; shouldn't be that difficult to schedule around that. Apologies to the person that said Fitton's grass would be destroyed; unless there's a recent snowstorm or a week of monsoon rain; it'll be just fine. It's considerably superior to its predecessor surface. No apologies needed. My point about the grass was from late February through March is 'mud' season when thawing re-freezing ground will likely serious damage the turf, if its played on. For the Pats, the problem was the low sun angle. I don't know what the sun angle is at Fitton Field before the equinox, --whether enough sun reaches the home team sidelines to thaw the frozen tundra.. www.concordmonitor.com/Patriots-turning-to-turf-in-2006-was-a-smart-move-6396478
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Post by breezy on Jul 16, 2020 11:42:37 GMT -5
Breezy NCAA amended rules as to partial scholarship sports effective in August to allow stacking of merit/ need aid with partial schollies without counting that aid towards the schollie cap. If PL modifies, which I expect, this could be a significant factor for recruiting. If the PL modifies (I’m not so sure that it would), that would indeed represent a major change. I’d expect that it would make high financial need players more desirable (a potential student-athlete could get a full ride but only cost 1/4 (or less) of a scholarship). Interesting to see what will happen.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 16, 2020 15:27:18 GMT -5
We beat this to death already. The team has adequate (and, in fact, superior) practice facilities. Games can in a pinch be played on Father K's field and/or they don't schedule any home games until the end of March/beginning of April. Every school has turf in their stadium save for HC and Lehigh; shouldn't be that difficult to schedule around that. Apologies to the person that said Fitton's grass would be destroyed; unless there's a recent snowstorm or a week of monsoon rain; it'll be just fine. It's considerably superior to its predecessor surface. No apologies needed. My point about the grass was from late February through March is 'mud' season when thawing re-freezing ground will likely serious damage the turf, if its played on. For the Pats, the problem was the low sun angle. I don't know what the sun angle is at Fitton Field before the equinox, --whether enough sun reaches the home team sidelines to thaw the frozen tundra.. www.concordmonitor.com/Patriots-turning-to-turf-in-2006-was-a-smart-move-6396478I just hope we get to test out our theories in the spring!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 17:21:21 GMT -5
Football can’t be played in the snow ? Have you ever seen a game in Green Bay in December ? The potential timeline I have been reading has proposed an abbreviated 8 game season in the spring that would start on March 13 and extend through May 1 (with a possibility of increasing to 10 games through May 15), with preseason practices starting on February 1. The proposals also mention games taking place on Saturdays or Sundays to allow some flexibility for potential scheduling conflicts. It's going to be a hard sell to give up a year of eligibility for a test run, 8 game season that will most likely be a complete mess.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 16, 2020 17:52:50 GMT -5
If I am any scholarship or aid player I would recommend sitting out this year or defer enrollment . Imho returning to campus first semester is a mistake for any student athlete, unless the NCAA and PL provide flexibility on eligibility.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 17, 2020 11:53:18 GMT -5
Here are the recent FAQ responses from ADMB/Holy Cross Athletics that were circulated recently:
General Regulations Patriot League and NCAA Eligibility Policies ● Season of Competition: All student-athletes are permitted to compete in up to four (4) seasons in any one sport. A student-athlete is considered to have utilized a season of competition if they have engaged in competition, regardless of duration, against an outside team while representing the institution. There are limited legislated exceptions in some sports for preseason scrimmages, exhibitions, and non-championship segment competition. [NCAA Bylaw 12.8, 12.8.3] ● Five-Year Clock: In Division I, a student-athlete has five calendar years to complete their seasons of competition. This five-year period begins as of the first day of the regular academic term in which the individual is enrolled in a full-time course load at any collegiate institution. [NCAA Bylaw 12.8.1] ● Normal Years of Eligibility: Within the Patriot League, it is expected that a student-athlete completes their seasons of competition within four calendar years of enrollment, beginning as of the first regular academic term of full-time enrollment at any collegiate institution. An additional semester(s) of eligibility (i.e. fifth year) may be granted via the Patriot League waiver process for a student-athlete that has missed a season for circumstances beyond their control and presents sound academic rationale for continuing their academic program. Question: Will student-athletes lose a season of competition if the season does not occur due to institutional, Patriot League, or NCAA decisions during the 2020-21 academic year? Answer: If a team does not engage in outside competition during the 2020-21 academic year due to institutional, Patriot League or NCAA decisions relating to the impact of COVID-19, the student-athlete would not be charged with using a season of competition. Pursuant with existing NCAA regulations, the five-year rule still applies as well as the Patriot League policies surrounding fifth-year participation, and thus may affect a student-athlete’s ability to use their remaining seasons of competition at Holy Cross and/or within their Division I period of eligibility. Question: Would the same regulations outlined for seasons of competition and eligibility exceptions be applicable to fall sports that may attempt to compete in a non-traditional season (e.g., moving fall championship season to the spring)? Answer: Yes. The general regulations surrounding seasons of competition and eligibility extensions remain applicable to all student-athletes regardless of when their competition season may occur. And thus, if a fall sport is potentially permitted to compete during the spring season, these same regulations would apply as if the spring were the traditional playing season. (A student-athlete cannot utilize more than one season of competition in their specific sport per academic year and cannot compete in the championship segment in their sport at more than one institution during the same academic year).
Holy Cross Athletics COVID-19 Question and Answer Guide Page 11 Question: Will a student-athlete lose a season of competition if their season is started during the 2020-2021 academic year and is subsequently suspended due to COVID-19? Answer: In the Spring 2020 the NCAA approved a blanket waiver for all spring sport student-athletes that granted relief from using a season of competition when seasons were unexpectedly suspended and the individuals were otherwise eligible to compete. Based on existing regulations and past precedent, it is expected that similar relief would be granted to student-athletes through the waiver process. Please note however that this relief may not be granted in instances where a majority of the season has already been completed in that sport (per NCAA minimum/maximum contest guidelines).
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 18, 2020 13:35:18 GMT -5
Another 10 kids off HCs board after looking through the list today.
Right now in their first 165 offers: 0 commits, 77 committed elsewhere - I include if HC is not in their final 5,6,7,8 as committed elsewhere
88 uncommitted
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Post by hchoops on Jul 18, 2020 13:39:15 GMT -5
I thought we received a commit a few weeks ago ?
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 18, 2020 13:48:21 GMT -5
He was 166. We hadn’t heard about an offer til after he posted. So to make a point I was indicating they were 0 for 77 so far on their first offers
While I do believe in the philosophy of if you don’t offer you don’t get, in the same breath not getting 7-8 out of first 165 (5%) becomes a useless exercise.
Within their first 165 offers - 1 kid has HC as a pinned tweet. LB Vinas. HC is his only tweeted D1 offer also.
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