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Post by richh on Jul 18, 2020 13:58:06 GMT -5
Breezy NCAA amended rules as to partial scholarship sports effective in August to allow stacking of merit/ need aid with partial schollies without counting that aid towards the schollie cap. If PL modifies, which I expect, this could be a significant factor for recruiting. The proposed rule applies to all "team limits" It would seem it applies to both sides of the 63 in 85 mandate.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 20, 2020 8:14:04 GMT -5
Breezy NCAA amended rules as to partial scholarship sports effective in August to allow stacking of merit/ need aid with partial schollies without counting that aid towards the schollie cap. If PL modifies, which I expect, this could be a significant factor for recruiting. The proposed rule applies to all "team limits" It would seem it applies to both sides of the 63 in 85 mandate. I have not found a statement of this NCAA change, but it sounds like the one it made in 2018 for D II. For PL football [60/85/90 rosters] it appears that recruits that do not have full athletic aid packages could have their aid packages plus upped [stacked] with a federal Pell Grant without additional cost to the school. Institutional merit aid may be another matter. For academic recruiting HC started a new merit grant program with the class of ’24. Do coaches have responsibility to recruit full pay roster spots?
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Post by richh on Jul 20, 2020 8:40:43 GMT -5
The proposed rule applies to all "team limits" It would seem it applies to both sides of the 63 in 85 mandate. I have not found a statement of this NCAA change, but it sounds like the one it made in 2018 for D II. For PL football [60/85/90 rosters] it appears that recruits that do not have full athletic aid packages could have their aid packages plus upped [stacked] with a federal Pell Grant without additional cost to the school. Institutional merit aid may be another matter. For academic recruiting HC started a new merit grant program with the class of ’24. Do coaches have responsibility to recruit full pay roster spots? D1 Council statement and legislation. It is stuck a few paragraphs into document. Google NCAA D1 Council. It is the 1st subheading
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 20, 2020 10:16:20 GMT -5
I have not found a statement of this NCAA change, but it sounds like the one it made in 2018 for D II. For PL football [60/85/90 rosters] it appears that recruits that do not have full athletic aid packages could have their aid packages plus upped [stacked] with a federal Pell Grant without additional cost to the school. Institutional merit aid may be another matter. For academic recruiting HC started a new merit grant program with the class of ’24. Do coaches have responsibility to recruit full pay roster spots? D1 Council statement and legislation. It is stuck a few paragraphs into document. Google NCAA D1 Council. It is the 1st subheading Dated July 15 - Council members also adopted legislation that would exempt from counting against team limits need-based financial aid given by the school that meets other specific criteria and other school-given, merit-based awards with no relationship to athletics ability. The rule is effective August 1, 2020. Would this apply in the non recruiting context? E.g. a rising senior player with alethic aid gets a school-given grant for being the top French major.
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Post by richh on Jul 20, 2020 11:34:42 GMT -5
D1 Council statement and legislation. It is stuck a few paragraphs into document. Google NCAA D1 Council. It is the 1st subheading Dated July 15 - Council members also adopted legislation that would exempt from counting against team limits need-based financial aid given by the school that meets other specific criteria and other school-given, merit-based awards with no relationship to athletics ability. The rule is effective August 1, 2020. Would this apply in the non recruiting context? E.g. a rising senior player with alethic aid gets a school-given grant for being the top French major. Merit aid that an athlete qualifies for without reference to any sport or athletic aid would not count. The rule by its language applies to all student athletes. Same logic applies to need aid. If an athlete eould otherwise qualify for need aid as a student with no preference to athletes, it does not count. PL Council would have to amend league by-laws for NCAA change to apply to our athletes. All PL schools are taking bid hits in income and increased cost for COVID. Not sure all PL schools can afford to fully adopt this new policy.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 20, 2020 12:20:44 GMT -5
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Post by richh on Jul 20, 2020 15:33:22 GMT -5
Good catch. So need aud would be exempt but not merit aid.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 20, 2020 16:21:37 GMT -5
Good catch. So need aud would be exempt but not merit aid. As I read this, and the language is not clearly written, all sports other than football and M/W basketball may take advantage of this exemption. For those three sports, the counters still rule: 85 receiving fin aid in FBS, 63 that can divided into 85 in FCS, and 13/15? in M/W basketball still applies, so if Clemson awards 85 full merit scollies for football, they cannot add to their roster by bringing on 15 players who are receiving need-based aid.*. *Unless the 15 were true walk-ons, but that has always been the case. For HC, I believe M/W ice hockey are or will be at the NCAA scollie caps. This new exemption would allow HC to pad the hockey rosters with players receiving need-based aid. According to ADMB, all other HC sports are below (some way below) the NCAA roster caps, so the exemption provides little/nil benefit.
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Post by richh on Jul 20, 2020 17:53:59 GMT -5
For Lehigh, those sports wrestling and M & W Lax We are at max in all 3.It will be a help in football given all the partials we all give.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 20, 2020 19:48:29 GMT -5
For Lehigh, those sports wrestling and M & W Lax We are at max in all 3.It will be a help in football given all the partials we all give. HC gives partials in football too. For the PL, the number of football players receiving fin aid cannot exceed 85; the funding cap is 60 full equivalencies I don't think the PL is going to allow a school to award 60 full equivalencies on merit aid, and three full equivalencies on need. That would bust the 60 cap, but perhaps they might. Regardless whether it is 60 or 63, the NCAA counter cap of no more than 85 players receiving any type of aid remains. I think there are many PL sports where the current rosters are comprised on students receiving merit aid, and students receiving need-based aid. For Georgetown, there is no cap other than the PL cap on roster size at 90. For the IL, there is no cap, other than the IL cap on roster size, which is 120. Alny Ivy aid is need-based.
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Post by richh on Jul 20, 2020 20:48:35 GMT -5
For Lehigh, those sports wrestling and M & W Lax We are at max in all 3.It will be a help in football given all the partials we all give. HC gives partials in football too. For the PL, the number of football players receiving fin aid cannot exceed 85; the funding cap is 60 full equivalencies I don't think the PL is going to allow a school to award 60 full equivalencies on merit aid, and three full equivalencies on need. That would bust the 60 cap, but perhaps they might. Regardless whether it is 60 or 63, the NCAA counter cap of no more than 85 players receiving any type of aid remains. I think there are many PL sports where the current rosters are comprised on students receiving merit aid, and students receiving need-based aid. For Georgetown, there is no cap other than the PL cap on roster size at 90. For the IL, there is no cap, other than the IL cap on roster size, which is 120. Alny Ivy aid is need-based. Unsure whether PL will loosen up on 60/90 caps but factoring in 3 more schollies is not a bridge too far. The uncertainty of corona costs and loss of tuition income may limit PL options. The need aid exemption for all the other PL sports could be more impactful but again at what cost. Well, I hope PL decides to loosen up restrictions at least a bit
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 21, 2020 6:53:16 GMT -5
Good catch. So need aud would be exempt but not merit aid. As I read this, and the language is not clearly written, all sports other than football and M/W basketball may take advantage of this exemption. For those three sports, the counters still rule: 85 receiving fin aid in FBS, 63 that can divided into 85 in FCS, and 13/15? in M/W basketball still applies, so if Clemson awards 85 full merit scollies for football, they cannot add to their roster by bringing on 15 players who are receiving need-based aid.*. *Unless the 15 were true walk-ons, but that has always been the case. For HC, I believe M/W ice hockey are or will be at the NCAA scollie caps. This new exemption would allow HC to pad the hockey rosters with players receiving need-based aid. According to ADMB, all other HC sports are below (some way below) the NCAA roster caps, so the exemption provides little/nil benefit. As its sits on the NCAA stationary the fball & bball language could apply to both parentheticals. The language uses ‘such aid’; the title of the proposal uses the singular to refer to both categories.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2020 7:19:32 GMT -5
When do folks think we will start hearing of commitments? I see most of our oversees making commitments elsewhere and I thought by this time a year ago we already had commitments from some impressive recruits. What is the date on which recruits can sign LOIs?
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 21, 2020 8:19:14 GMT -5
LOI first signing date is in December. They 8 verbal commits by early August. They are behind right now. With many states postponing football you will see many kids verbally commit early. Meaning HC needs to start getting some fish in the boat.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 21, 2020 8:41:29 GMT -5
I should have noted in either of my other posts in the HC re-opening and spring football threads, that HC is working on the protocols for prospective students and recruited athletes to visit campus. AFAIK, no college campus in New England is 'open' to a guided visit, although clearly, as several posters on the board have done, one can drive and walk around campus.
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Post by richh on Jul 21, 2020 8:55:53 GMT -5
As I read this, and the language is not clearly written, all sports other than football and M/W basketball may take advantage of this exemption. For those three sports, the counters still rule: 85 receiving fin aid in FBS, 63 that can divided into 85 in FCS, and 13/15? in M/W basketball still applies, so if Clemson awards 85 full merit scollies for football, they cannot add to their roster by bringing on 15 players who are receiving need-based aid.*. *Unless the 15 were true walk-ons, but that has always been the case. For HC, I believe M/W ice hockey are or will be at the NCAA scollie caps. This new exemption would allow HC to pad the hockey rosters with players receiving need-based aid. According to ADMB, all other HC sports are below (some way below) the NCAA roster caps, so the exemption provides little/nil benefit. As its sits on the NCAA stationary the fball & bball language could apply to both parentheticals. The language uses ‘such aid’; the title of the proposal uses the singular to refer to both categories. Inartfully drafted but you may be correct given the reference to a proposal.I assume NCAA will clarify this on the 27th.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 21, 2020 10:42:24 GMT -5
I did a Google search using this string: NCAA allowing need-based football scholarships
No hits, though I would think football fan sites would be all over this like a wet blanket if it were true.
Closest was this from ESPN.
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Post by richh on Jul 21, 2020 12:22:23 GMT -5
I did a Google search using this string: NCAA allowing need-based football scholarships No hits, though I would think football fan sites would be all over this like a wet blanket if it were true. Closest was this from ESPN. Did the same. Crickets. Unfortunately my rosy view seems unwarranted.
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Post by breezy on Jul 22, 2020 15:35:01 GMT -5
Offer # 173 -- ATH ORECK FRAZIER, 6-3, 200, Abington HS, Abington, PA Rated: 247 Sports -- 2* (78) Hudl: www.hudl.com/profile/9700210/Oreck-FrazierOther offers: Temple, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Bucknell, Cornell, VMI, Brown, Columbia.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 22, 2020 15:40:47 GMT -5
Wonder if Oreck is a baseball infielder too- a real vacuum cleaner, if you will.
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Post by breezy on Jul 24, 2020 12:16:44 GMT -5
Offer # 174 -- QB TRACE CAMPBELL, 6-4, 225, Our Lady of Good Counsel HS, Olney, MD Rated: 247 Sports -- 2*(78) Hudl: www.hudl.com/profile/5228485/Trace-CampbellOther offers: Cincinnati, New Mexico, W&M, ODU, Columbia, Penn, Yale, Navy, Elon, Fordham, Penn, Towson, Stony Brook. Note: On 247 Sports and Rivals, Campbell is listed as an Athlete; it is possible that some of the offers are as an Athlete and not QB, which is prominently mentioned in his tweet above.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 24, 2020 12:46:10 GMT -5
Tebow sized
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 24, 2020 17:40:03 GMT -5
Offer 175 Luke Duska OL from PA - about 10-12 offers from CAA and PL
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 24, 2020 22:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 28, 2020 16:52:57 GMT -5
9 more players off the board - either verbal or not in top list
HC did make the top 8 for Tyler Davis from NJ
Luke Duska - recent offer one of the 9 - Elon
0 for 87 in their first 165 offers; 78 kids still uncommitted
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