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Post by hchoops on Mar 13, 2020 16:15:47 GMT -5
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Post by coacht on Mar 30, 2020 20:17:05 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/03/30/coronovirus-ncaa-grant-spring-sports-athletes-extra-eligibility/5090362002/I confess to mostly following softball. Given HC has no grad degree programs, and an appropriate reluctance to tarnish it's academic advancement rate, will we find ourselves at a disadvantage to a PL foe like BU, Lehigh or Bucknell that offer grad degrees? Seems like a good idea if you lost your senior year and wanted to chase a master's anyway, to do it at a quality PL (or Ivy) institution and use this exception. For the program, they pull in some women who possibly played at a higher level than the PL on a one year gig. Thoughts?
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Post by bison137 on Mar 30, 2020 21:44:32 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/03/30/coronovirus-ncaa-grant-spring-sports-athletes-extra-eligibility/5090362002/I confess to mostly following softball. Given HC has no grad degree programs, and an appropriate reluctance to tarnish it's academic advancement rate, will we find ourselves at a disadvantage to a PL foe like BU, Lehigh or Bucknell that offer grad degrees? Seems like a good idea if you lost your senior year and wanted to chase a master's anyway, to do it at a quality PL (or Ivy) institution and use this exception. For the program, they pull in some women who possibly played at a higher level than the PL on a one year gig. Thoughts? Bucknell offers almost no grad programs and normally won't allow athletes to return for a 5th year, even if they still have eligibility. I will be surprised if any current seniors are still at Bucknell next year. Boston U, Lehigh, and American are likely to have 5th year players return however. As for the Ivy's, it will be interesting to see what the IL decides. Normally they don't allow grad students to play any sport. What is certain, however, is that most of the lacrosse powers (Duke, Maryland, UNC, Hopkins, Syracuse, PSU, etc) will be carrying a lot more scholarship players than normal next year.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 30, 2020 21:59:23 GMT -5
But will Loyola follow suit ?
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Post by bison137 on Mar 30, 2020 22:37:37 GMT -5
But will Loyola follow suit ? I'm sure they will. They don't have the grad programs that Boston U, Lehigh, or American have - but they do have some. And I have no doubt they will bend the admissions standards for those programs if it is necessary to bring back a good lacrosse player.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 31, 2020 0:55:20 GMT -5
Colleges will not be flush when (if) the schoolhouse door swings open in September. That could be an inconvenient truth regarding paying for extra scholarships.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 31, 2020 15:31:10 GMT -5
It will be weird given commencement and class logistics, and prior HC/PL rules against it-- but if ever there was a time to make an exception because of an act of God and just let the guys/gals come back and play, it would be next spring.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 31, 2020 20:51:39 GMT -5
Allowing current seniors to graduate online this spring and then play next spring without requiring them to be a current student or pay tuition would be fine with me as a one time exception. HC will figure out how to slap a few fees on the participants to defray expenses, which is fair.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 31, 2020 21:07:02 GMT -5
That’s not going to happen ! Today I saw that a star men’s lax player at Harvard withdrew from school imme in order to come back for next spring semester and play lax - whatever the PL does it will definitely require the student athlete to be enrolled
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 1, 2020 3:11:53 GMT -5
That’s not going to happen ! Today I saw that a star men’s lax player at Harvard withdrew from school imme in order to come back for next spring semester and play lax - whatever the PL does it will definitely require the student athlete to be enrolled Harvard had one also? I know Sowers at Princeton withdrew and he is considered the best player in the nation by a wide margin.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 1, 2020 4:53:50 GMT -5
On top of the precluding restrictions other posters have already noted (HC seniors will graduate, we have no graduate school, etc.) our partial and non-schollie senior athletes and families have understandably not budgeted for a fifth year. I don't see this new NCAA ruling having any impact at HC at all.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 1, 2020 7:28:07 GMT -5
Could there be any full scholarship or family wealthy athletes who could take courses for a belated double major ?
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 1, 2020 9:20:06 GMT -5
Why not just let them play without having to take classes? This is a one time, act-of-God-type situation. It's not players transferring all over trying to prioritize sports over school. Covid took this away from them unfairly.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 1, 2020 10:10:03 GMT -5
bfoley, you're correct - I was thinking of Sowers at Princeton - wondering if others will go this route but there's only about 5 weeks of class in this semester so I'm thinking he might be the only one. to WCHC, I seriously doubt student athletes next spring will be 'athletes' only - just no way in an academically oriented league - I do hope they give those who want to come back some opportunity but I believe most will graduate in May and opt to move on with their lives
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Post by Tom on Apr 1, 2020 11:14:30 GMT -5
Why not just let them play without having to take classes? This is a one time, act-of-God-type situation. It's not players transferring all over trying to prioritize sports over school. Covid took this away from them unfairly. At first glance it seems like a nice idea, but it's not that practical. Ideally all of these kids will have jobs or be at grad school some place other than HC. Assuming you have candidates working or in grad school somewhere reasonable close to Worcester, I can't see some kid less than a year into a new job asking his boss if he can skip out a few hours early every day in the Spring to go back to college and practice his old sport
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 1, 2020 14:22:13 GMT -5
Most likely you are correct and it will follow the pattern set by the 198O U.S. Summer Olympians.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 1, 2020 17:31:04 GMT -5
That’s not going to happen ! Today I saw that a star men’s lax player at Harvard withdrew from school imme in order to come back for next spring semester and play lax - whatever the PL does it will definitely require the student athlete to be enrolled Harvard had one also? I know Sowers at Princeton withdrew and he is considered the best player in the nation by a wide margin. Im guessing his parents will be paying for the 9th semester. Pretty sure you don't get your money back for taking a W in all your classes. Why not just graduate and apply for one of Princeton's top-flight grad programs? Pretty sure the top lax player in the country whose also an ubdergrad alum might have a fighting chance at getting in...
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 2, 2020 1:28:00 GMT -5
Harvard had one also? I know Sowers at Princeton withdrew and he is considered the best player in the nation by a wide margin. Im guessing his parents will be paying for the 9th semester. Pretty sure you don't get your money back for taking a W in all your classes. Why not just graduate and apply for one of Princeton's top-flight grad programs? Pretty sure the top lax player in the country whose also an ubdergrad alum might have a fighting chance at getting in... He could have went anywhere...and everybody would have accepted him. He is a great player to watch and the last time I saw him live was as a freshman at the Ivy League Championships
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2020 5:19:43 GMT -5
Harvard had one also? I know Sowers at Princeton withdrew and he is considered the best player in the nation by a wide margin. Im guessing his parents will be paying for the 9th semester. Pretty sure you don't get your money back for taking a W in all your classes. Why not just graduate and apply for one of Princeton's top-flight grad programs? Pretty sure the top lax player in the country whose also an ubdergrad alum might have a fighting chance at getting in... Given the level of financial aid at HYP (completely different world than HC, for example) the bill may not be as high as one might think. But it is true he/parents are on the hook for another semester. If I understand your question, Ivies do not permit participation beyond four years and undergraduate graduation. Sowers information was probably that the Ivies would not make an exception this year. (I think that if you graduate in 3 years and go to graduate school at the same school the Ivies may permit you to participate ...but that is not the case here). Given the NCAA recent decision and his talent, it seems clear he could have graduated from Princeton and gone on to graduate school at another university and played one year.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 2, 2020 6:54:27 GMT -5
Im guessing his parents will be paying for the 9th semester. Pretty sure you don't get your money back for taking a W in all your classes. Why not just graduate and apply for one of Princeton's top-flight grad programs? Pretty sure the top lax player in the country whose also an ubdergrad alum might have a fighting chance at getting in... Given the level of financial aid at HYP (completely different world than HC, for example) the bill may not be as high as one might think. But it is true he/parents are on the hook for another semester. If I understand your question, Ivies do not permit participation beyond four years and undergraduate graduation. Sowers information was probably that the Ivies would not make an exception this year. (I think that if you graduate in 3 years and go to graduate school at the same school the Ivies may permit you to participate ...but that is not the case here). Given the NCAA recent decision and his talent, it seems clear he could have graduated from Princeton and gone on to graduate school at another university and played one year. Wow. So you cant play sports at an Ivy League school as a grad student? That seems like a really dumb rule. Imagine someone who finishes their undergrad program in 3 years and then is in business school by their fourth year? That individual couldn't play -- ridiculous.
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Post by hcbball on Apr 2, 2020 7:54:26 GMT -5
HC has confirmed they will not be granting the waiver for spring athletes. They will grant the waiver, on a case by case basis, for those wishing to transfer out. I assume this decision was based on academic ratings and financial aid implications.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2020 8:26:33 GMT -5
Given the level of financial aid at HYP (completely different world than HC, for example) the bill may not be as high as one might think. But it is true he/parents are on the hook for another semester. If I understand your question, Ivies do not permit participation beyond four years and undergraduate graduation. Sowers information was probably that the Ivies would not make an exception this year. ( I think that if you graduate in 3 years and go to graduate school at the same school the Ivies may permit you to participate ...but that is not the case here). Given the NCAA recent decision and his talent, it seems clear he could have graduated from Princeton and gone on to graduate school at another university and played one year. Wow. So you cant play sports at an Ivy League school as a grad student? That seems like a really dumb rule. Imagine someone who finishes their undergrad program in 3 years and then is in business school by their fourth year? That individual couldn't play -- ridiculous. No. I underlined what I had previously written. (That is not the case w/Sowers anyway)
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 2, 2020 8:58:00 GMT -5
HC has confirmed they will not be granting the waiver for spring athletes. They will grant the waiver, on a case by case basis, for those wishing to transfer out. I assume this decision was based on academic ratings and financial aid implications. So essentially this means that if you were a junior on the baseball team this year can't opt to matriculate for Spring 2021 and Spring 2022 and play for HC those two seasons while taking off Fall 2020 and Fall 2021. If that's the case, I disagree with the college on this one. They should have allowed undergraduates to consider this option, which would allow them to a) graduate in 8 semesters and b) play 4 years of varsity sports. The above accommodation was made regularly for football players in the pre-scholarship era. Those with injury red-shirts would simply not enroll for what would've been their senior spring and would take their 8th and final semester the following fall, while playing football as a 5th-year senior. Coursework would be completed in December.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 2, 2020 15:45:50 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 6, 2020 16:30:40 GMT -5
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