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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2020 9:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 14, 2020 11:22:45 GMT -5
Coaches used to be seasonal employees a long time ago. We won't return to that, but I wouldn't mind one response to this semester's lost revenue being the elimination of the DOBO or fourth coach position in college basketball.
Attendance has been falling as overhead has been rising. Perhaps covid 19 will be a catalyst for rebalancing of revenue and expenses. HC had more success when college sports were less of a big business.
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Post by trimster on Mar 14, 2020 11:28:48 GMT -5
Coaches used to be seasonal employees a long time ago. We won't return to that, but I wouldn't mind one response to this semester's lost revenue being the elimination of the DOBO or fourth coach position in college basketball. Attendance has been falling as overhead has been rising. Perhaps covid 19 will be a catalyst for rebalancing of revenue and expenses. HC had more success when college sports were less of a big business. I counted 6 suits on the bench at the Bucknell game. Six. They were tripping over each other. |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 14, 2020 11:37:00 GMT -5
Two suits per victory. We'll need forty suits for a twenty win season.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 14, 2020 11:37:32 GMT -5
LOL  |
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Post by trimster on Mar 14, 2020 13:34:55 GMT -5
Two suits per victory. We'll need forty suits for a twenty win season. Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the Bucknell bench. |
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Post by timholycross on Mar 14, 2020 14:13:23 GMT -5
God, remember in 1971-2 it was Jack D. and Frank McArdle, and no one else? (I think they had another assistant during Jack's tenure, but cut out the position).
And Frank had to coach the freshman team too!
One time, Jack sent him out to scout someone and the head manager, John Gannon, coached the frosh!
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2020 14:36:52 GMT -5
God, remember in 1971-2 it was Jack D. and Frank McArdle, and no one else? (I think they had another assistant during Jack's tenure, but cut out the position). And Frank had to coach the freshman team too! Two wonderful people Frank died young and left a young family RIP |
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 14, 2020 15:02:46 GMT -5
God, remember in 1971-2 it was Jack D. and Frank McArdle, and no one else? (I think they had another assistant during Jack's tenure, but cut out the position). And Frank had to coach the freshman team too! One time, Jack sent him out to scout someone and the head manager, John Gannon, coached the frosh! I remember Jim Herrion as his assistant coach. The two seemed inseparable. When did he move on? |
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Post by efg72 on Mar 15, 2020 13:15:51 GMT -5
God, remember in 1971-2 it was Jack D. and Frank McArdle, and no one else? (I think they had another assistant during Jack's tenure, but cut out the position). And Frank had to coach the freshman team too! Two wonderful people Frank died young and left a young family RIP Frank got a bunch of us jobs loading trucks for UPS-a great guy |
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Post by timholycross on Mar 15, 2020 19:20:03 GMT -5
Jim Herrion was gone from HC before I got there (fall of 69). According to Wikipedia, he started in the fall of 1967 as the head coach of WPI.
Togo took over the JV team in 72-73. That was my senior year. My junior year, I was a manager. Frank was the only other coach (Jack D. had a West German coach shadow him that season, but he didn't do any coaching). I'm 99% sure that was the way it was done my freshman and sophomore years too, but it's possible there was someone else. Given how tight money was with the football season being canceled, perhaps the position was eliminated because of that.
Frank stayed as an assistant for two years, then basically swapped jobs with Jim Dougher, the Stonehill head coach. When he got to Stonehill, he was diagosed with some kind of spinal tumor (similar to Jim Valvano, I guess). Only coached there for one year, died in the summer after that season. A terrible tragedy.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 15, 2020 19:39:30 GMT -5
My favorite Frank McArdle memory had to do with him coaching the freshmen.
One of the starters (not a scholarship player, and probably played 20 minutes a game) quit the team.
Frank was pretty approachable, and I said to him "Gee coach, xxx quit the team, what happened?"
Frank said "xxx came up to me and said he should be playing more. I said to him, xxx you should be playing less..." and then went on to tell me all the things that xxx didn't do very well.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 15, 2020 20:12:49 GMT -5
Frank starred at All Hallows in the 50s where I later coached.
He was 35 when he died, leaving a wife and 5 children.
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Post by breezy on Mar 15, 2020 20:41:55 GMT -5
I had to pull out my press guides to be sure of the dates; they indicate that Coach Herrion was at Holy Cross through the 1967-1968 season, and was replaced by Frank McArdle in the 1968-1969 season.
As a basketball manager from 1965 through 1969, I had many interactions with Coach Herrion, and have many pleasant memories of him.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 15, 2020 20:53:23 GMT -5
I had to pull out my press guides to be sure of the dates; they indicate that Coach Herrion was at Holy Cross through the 1967-1968 season, and was replaced by Frank McArdle in the 1968-1969 season. As a basketball manager from 1965 through 1969, I had many interactions with Coach Herrion, and have many pleasant memories of him. Trivia Do you know his nickname (at least one of them) ? |
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Post by breezy on Mar 15, 2020 21:13:22 GMT -5
If I ever did know that, it has escaped from my memory.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 15, 2020 21:17:48 GMT -5
Squeaky
You can probably guess why
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Post by bison137 on Mar 15, 2020 23:12:07 GMT -5
Two suits per victory. We'll need forty suits for a twenty win season. Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the Bucknell bench. LIke most teams, Bucknell has one head coach, three assistants, one DOBO, and one trainer. That is the six. Had the faculty laison been on the bench, then you would have seen seven. Many teams have more than six - including every P6 conference team. Boston U has more, including a DOBO, a trainer, and a video coordinator. Both Army and Navy have far more than six. HC would also have six suits on the bench - except their trainer is a female. |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 15, 2020 23:47:29 GMT -5
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the Bucknell bench. LIke most teams, Bucknell has one head coach, three assistants, one DOBO, and one trainer. That is the six. Had the faculty laison been on the bench, then you would have seen seven. Many teams have more than six - including every P6 conference team. Boston U has more, including a DOBO, a trainer, and a video coordinator. Both Army and Navy have far more than six. HC would also have six suits on the bench - except their trainer is a female. Bison, HC WBB played with one less assistant coach this season. Do you think it changed their W/L record in any way? |
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 16, 2020 6:38:10 GMT -5
so we're in a "dead period" [no visits, contacts & evaluations] up until 4/15 [the beginning of the 35 day bball NLI signing period] can a coach take a phone call from a recruit?... e.g. one that has an offer presumably this applies to players in the transfer portal as well |
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 16, 2020 7:28:53 GMT -5
Can someone explain what the DOBO does? I'm not being facetious. The people in these roles appear to be very young, not long out of college. I'm sure they're fine people, but I wonder what exactly they do.
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Post by Tom on Mar 16, 2020 7:50:16 GMT -5
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the Bucknell bench. LIke most teams, Bucknell has one head coach, three assistants, one DOBO, and one trainer. That is the six. Had the faculty laison been on the bench, then you would have seen seven. Many teams have more than six - including every P6 conference team. Boston U has more, including a DOBO, a trainer, and a video coordinator. Both Army and Navy have far more than six. HC would also have six suits on the bench - except their trainer is a female. I don't know if this is the case at Bucknell, but I imagine that some schools require student managers to be in jacket and tie, That would affect the visual. Doesn't matter what gender the trainer is. I don't think make trainers typically wear jacket and tie |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 16, 2020 7:52:33 GMT -5
Can someone explain what the DOBO does? I'm not being facetious. The people in these roles appear to be very young, not long out of college. I'm sure they're fine people, but I wonder what exactly they do. Mostly office work, camps, can be on the bench for games, on campus recruiting, probably including social media. No practice or game coaching No off campus recruiting |
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 16, 2020 8:05:03 GMT -5
Can someone explain what the DOBO does? I'm not being facetious. The people in these roles appear to be very young, not long out of college. I'm sure they're fine people, but I wonder what exactly they do. Mostly office work, camps, can be on the bench for games, on campus recruiting, probably including social media. No practice or game coaching No off campus recruiting act as travel agent for official visits? |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 16, 2020 8:08:03 GMT -5
Mostly office work, camps, can be on the bench for games, on campus recruiting, probably including social media. No practice or game coaching No off campus recruiting act as travel agent for official visits? Yes, that is part of on campus recruiting |
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