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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 16, 2020 14:46:00 GMT -5
Jen Toland tweeted the following:
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 16, 2020 14:47:47 GMT -5
Not a fan of this move as Ann went 19-11 and 11-7 in the conference. Got to think this will hurt the incoming recruiting class and could see some of the younger players to leave
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Post by HC13 on Mar 16, 2020 14:57:13 GMT -5
Interesting and a bit surprising, I thought she'd get a 3 year deal based on her record the last year and a half. I suspect we will never learn what went on this year, but if there was an ideal time to do it, this is the year as many of us assumed next season was going to be a struggle no matter what.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 16, 2020 15:00:45 GMT -5
One has to wonder whether Avery L. will head for the exit.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 15:14:49 GMT -5
Don’t have strong feelings either way. Feel like she did an okay job but certainly not a great one. Lots of baggage with everyone associated with the program at the end of BG’s tenure. We are starting over next year anyway so I guess rip the band-aid off now and hope we make a very good hire. Rare time when we can change coaches without having to pay two coaches for a few years.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 16, 2020 15:22:39 GMT -5
Tough decision...but I can't judge this until we see who HC gets as the next head coach. Even with the national search announced, I have to feel there is a short list from which HC is working already.
Thank you, Ann, for all you did for the women you coached and for all you did for Holy Cross.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 16, 2020 15:25:48 GMT -5
Holy Cross has the potential to win < 15 games next year in basketball. That's both teams combined! And that may be optimistic.
Having said that, if Blossom thinks she's a big reason why the last 3 classes are so weak (excepting Avery, and her signing was very lucky), then not continuing with her at the helm is ok with me.
I sent an email to Ms. Tolland regarding Faulker and Parks. I'm hoping she asks a couple questions.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 15:42:52 GMT -5
The Amherst College coach (Gromacki) is 377-32 over 13 seasons there. I’d hire him.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 16, 2020 15:55:49 GMT -5
The Amherst College coach (Gromacki) is 377-32 over 13 seasons there. I’d hire him. He isn't leaving for a low level Holy Cross job. Berube with a worse record at Tufts (384-96) left for Princeton where she had a future WNBA player waiting.
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Post by johnnyboy1 on Mar 16, 2020 16:05:26 GMT -5
New to the page but been an HC fan for a while....I’m honestly very shocked with this move. I believe she had a 37-18 (11-3, 7-4, 19-11) record over 3 stints as the interim coach while BG was under .500 with the same team.
Not her fault for poor recruiting classes either because if I was a recruit I wouldn’t want to commit to HC with all the uncertainty surrounding BG (so that’s on him and the school).
Props to AM for taking control (and winning!) during multiple times of turmoil when they were understaffed (without DP) and with a lawsuit hanging over the school.
Very tough times for HC basketball upcoming and I think AM was our best option for future success. Shame on ADMB
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Post by timholycross on Mar 16, 2020 16:21:40 GMT -5
The Amherst College coach (Gromacki) is 377-32 over 13 seasons there. I’d hire him. He isn't leaving for a low level Holy Cross job. Berube with a worse record at Tufts (384-96) left for Princeton where she had a future WNBA player waiting. My guess is if he's been there that long with that good a record, he's not interested in leaving for whatever reason.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 16, 2020 16:33:40 GMT -5
ADMB has a basketball background and should be able to hire a better coach than AM - I am in favor of this move - she and BG failed to bring in good enough classes in the last 3 years (AL was a very fortunate, we all know the story) - she was his associate coach and certainly has to be partly responsible - if you look at the Twitter page for the team which includes post game comments, she is hardly a dynamic personality - I am not concerned about the incoming class as we did not beat any decent programs to get those signed LOI’s - their options are limited
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Post by efg72 on Mar 16, 2020 16:50:10 GMT -5
Hypothetical
A new AD arrives and says OMG what is going on Football has energy give it a pass BBall for men and women needs a major overhaul Other sports evaluate and are year 2-3 decisions Baseball coach leaves so take a short term approach
Hire a b-ball coach for men and authorize overhaul, including first and second year players Situation spins out of control and lose a couple you didn’t want to lose or run off but creates new recruiting options embraced by AD and HC If needed Authorized to bring in 1-2 transfers with strong academic record Players depart on their own after learning their services are no longer needed
Women’s BBall AD feels he inherited a mess but wants to get through the season given multiple local and legal concerns Season does not meet or exceed expectations so a decision to change is unopposed
Football A great outcome winning game PL Alumni and fans happy Coaches are a great group to work with Recruiting exceeds all expectations and offers a bright future
Spring sports headed in the right direction until pandemic
Next move find an answer for hockey-hockey East- a few scholarships and see if the coach responds
Watch WHockey, soccer, and spring sports and decide in year 2/3
This hypothetical athletic program is headed in the right direction, but hypothetically don’t like players being pushed out
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 16, 2020 16:59:15 GMT -5
Wouldn't she have a chance to earn the job through this process?
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 16, 2020 17:13:58 GMT -5
New to the page but been an HC fan for a while....I’m honestly very shocked with this move. I believe she had a 37-18 (11-3, 7-4, 19-11) record over 3 stints as the interim coach while BG was under .500 with the same team. Not her fault for poor recruiting classes either because if I was a recruit I wouldn’t want to commit to HC with all the uncertainty surrounding BG (so that’s on him and the school). Props to AM for taking control (and winning!) during multiple times of turmoil when they were understaffed (without DP) and with a lawsuit hanging over the school. Very tough times for HC basketball upcoming and I think AM was our best option for future success. Shame on ADMB Welcome Johnnyboy1 to crossports. Her players had good attitude and were bonded well with each other. I feel that overall she got the best from them in difficult times. If the season had continued, IMHO, she was one upset away from a 20 win season and a full time position.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 17:21:24 GMT -5
He isn't leaving for a low level Holy Cross job. Berube with a worse record at Tufts (384-96) left for Princeton where she had a future WNBA player waiting. My guess is if he's been there that long with that good a record, he's not interested in leaving for whatever reason. Maybe wanting to keep kids in one place while growing up. If those kids are now done with high school, timing could be good. Also could commute from Amherst for a while if need be. I’m sayin’ there’s a chance.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 16, 2020 17:23:55 GMT -5
Hypothetical A new AD arrives and says OMG what is going on Football has energy give it a pass BBall for men and women needs a major overhaul Other sports evaluate and are year 2-3 decisions Baseball coach leaves so take a short term approach Hire a b-ball coach for men and authorize overhaul, including first and second year players Situation spins out of control and lose a couple you didn’t want to lose or run off but creates new recruiting options embraced by AD and HC If needed Authorized to bring in 1-2 transfers with strong academic record Players depart on their own after learning their services are no longer needed Women’s BBall AD feels he inherited a mess but wants to get through the season given multiple local and legal concerns Season does not meet or exceed expectations so a decision to change is unopposed Football A great outcome winning game PL Alumni and fans happy Coaches are a great group to work with Recruiting exceeds all expectations and offers a sustainable future Spring sports headed in the right direction until pandemic Next move find an answer for hockey-hockey East- a few scholarships and see if the coach responds Watch WHockey, soccer, and spring sports and decide in year 2/3 This hypothetical athletic program is headed in the right direction, but hypothetically don’t like players being pushed out Your hypothetical glass is half full, which is fine. AM ends her stint on a four game winning streak coaching short handed. AM's record towers above MBB, MH and WH. I guess there is nobody to say to the AD: "focus your efforts on getting the losing winter teams closer to .500 and support your winning coach and players." The honeymoon is over for ADMB's first national search. I hope he has learned from the experience and this search has better results.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 16, 2020 17:26:38 GMT -5
New to the page but been an HC fan for a while....I’m honestly very shocked with this move. I believe she had a 37-18 (11-3, 7-4, 19-11) record over 3 stints as the interim coach while BG was under .500 with the same team. Not her fault for poor recruiting classes either because if I was a recruit I wouldn’t want to commit to HC with all the uncertainty surrounding BG (so that’s on him and the school). Props to AM for taking control (and winning!) during multiple times of turmoil when they were understaffed (without DP) and with a lawsuit hanging over the school. Very tough times for HC basketball upcoming and I think AM was our best option for future success. Shame on ADMB Welcome Johnnyboy1 to crossports. Her players had good attitude and were bonded well with each other. I feel that overall she got the best from them in difficult times. If the season had continued, IMHO, she was one upset away from a 20 win season and a full time position. Roger that. The WBB players were left at the alter in Lewisburg, PA. If it had been a 1PM game they might have got it in.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 16, 2020 17:27:25 GMT -5
My guess is if he's been there that long with that good a record, he's not interested in leaving for whatever reason. Maybe wanting to keep kids in one place while growing up. If those kids are now done with high school, timing could be good. Also could commute from Amherst for a while if need be. I’m sayin’ there’s a chance. . Upon further research, kids are still elementary school age and wife is an interim principal in Amherst. Probably not leaving.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 16, 2020 17:45:40 GMT -5
If you have Amherst College to offer a player who is also being recruited by some D-1 programs, you can be a successful recruiter. If the other elite colleges highlighted in "Varsity Blues" have reserved admission slots for recruited athletes, I wouldn't be surprised if Amherst does also to some extent. I also don't see why Amherst would necessarily pay less than HC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 16, 2020 17:55:24 GMT -5
If you have Amherst College to offer a player who is also being recruited by some D-1 programs, you can be a successful recruiter. If the other elite colleges highlighted in "Varsity Blues" have reserved admission slots for recruited athletes, I wouldn't be surprised if Amherst does also to some extent. I also don't see why Amherst would necessarily pay less than HC. You are winning NATIONAL championships at Amherst while having the school just recruit itself. I covered the round of 32 game this year and the starting lineup in size was 5'11, 5'9, 6'1, 6'1, and 5'7. The 5'7 guard averaged 16 points, seven boards and two assists a game while shooting 33.5 percent from three and 91.4 percent at the line. He was also on the USA Basketball coaching staff fo the U-16 national team. (Might be my picture there not sure) www.usab.com/basketball/staff/g/gromacki-gp.aspx
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Post by johnnyboy1 on Mar 16, 2020 17:57:46 GMT -5
Not sure if any of you have clicked on the tweet by Jen Toland in the first post on this thread, but the replies speak for themselves.
Huge wins this year over BC and the comeback vs Lehigh were special (as was the win at BU in the quarters last year). AM showed leadership and heart, which translated to the women on the team. Good luck ADMB on your next national search (because that went so well for you on the men’s side!)
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Post by efg72 on Mar 16, 2020 18:02:01 GMT -5
Hypothetical A new AD arrives and says OMG what is going on Football has energy give it a pass BBall for men and women needs a major overhaul Other sports evaluate and are year 2-3 decisions Baseball coach leaves so take a short term approach Hire a b-ball coach for men and authorize overhaul, including first and second year players Situation spins out of control and lose a couple you didn’t want to lose or run off but creates new recruiting options embraced by AD and HC If needed Authorized to bring in 1-2 transfers with strong academic record Players depart on their own after learning their services are no longer needed Women’s BBall AD feels he inherited a mess but wants to get through the season given multiple local and legal concerns Season does not meet or exceed expectations so a decision to change is unopposed Football A great outcome winning game PL Alumni and fans happy Coaches are a great group to work with Recruiting exceeds all expectations and offers a sustainable future Spring sports headed in the right direction until pandemic Next move find an answer for hockey-hockey East- a few scholarships and see if the coach responds Watch WHockey, soccer, and spring sports and decide in year 2/3 This hypothetical athletic program is headed in the right direction, but hypothetically don’t like players being pushed out Your hypothetical glass is half full, which is fine. AM ends her stint on a four game winning streak coaching short handed. AM's record towers above MBB, MH and WH. I guess there is nobody to say to the AD: "focus your efforts on getting the losing winter teams closer to .500 and support your winning coach and players." The honeymoon is over for ADMB's first national search. I hope he has learned from the experience and this search has better results. My comment was a) hypothetical with some reality and b) was not a commentary on the current coach, but suggesting the possible perspective of an outsider looking in
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 16, 2020 18:37:26 GMT -5
Not sure if any of you have clicked on the tweet by Jen Toland in the first post on this thread, but the replies speak for themselves. Huge wins this year over BC and the comeback vs Lehigh were special (as was the win at BU in the quarters last year). AM showed leadership and heart, which translated to the women on the team. Good luck ADMB on your next national search (because that went so well for you on the men’s side!) Thanks johhnyboy always great to have fresh, new perspectives on all things Holy Cross
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Post by coachrt on Mar 16, 2020 18:55:37 GMT -5
Full disclosure I knew BG and respected him as a coach. However, with that said I think the AD realized that AM facilitated some things behind the scenes which led to BG being suspended. Her being the interim head coach wasn't so much providing outstanding leadership but rather keep the ship from sinking. You don't do that well record wise as an interim coach and not get offered the job fulltime unless there are underlying circumstances. Also, she had the chance as the recruiting coordinator while being Associate Head Coach to bring in some good classes and failed to do so. So the new AD inherited her and witnessed what went down and wants to get his own coach in there. I can't really blame him.
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