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Post by trimster on Mar 22, 2020 9:28:33 GMT -5
Wish we could have a do-over and see what Kearney would have done with Nelson's players and Nelson's with Kearney's. If ifs and buts we’re cherries and nuts, we’d all have a very Merry Christmas. |
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Post by trimster on Mar 22, 2020 9:30:20 GMT -5
Dick Regan was never a true college sports guy prior to becoming HCAD. That could be seen as the genesis of the collapse. It may have been a layup but DR hired RW. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2020 9:35:24 GMT -5
hoops had posted a link to this Sports Illustrated article in the poll thread. www.si.com/college/2020/03/14/rick-pitino-iona-ncaa-scandalNo one commented on it. If what is reported in SI is factual and prescient, TPTB at Iona, including the AD, have a lot more than egg on their face. If this had been written about HC, I would be embarrassed to say I was an alumnus. |
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Post by td128 on Mar 22, 2020 9:55:54 GMT -5
hoops had posted a link to this Sports Illustrated article in the poll thread. www.si.com/college/2020/03/14/rick-pitino-iona-ncaa-scandalNo one commented on it. If what is reported in SI is factual and prescient, TPTB at Iona, including the AD, have a lot more than egg on their face. If this had been written about HC, I would be embarrassed to say I was an alumnus. One might think that a reporter writing a piece like that might reach out to the individuals involved such as the president of Iona, Seamus Carey, for comment, wouldn't you think? If Carey chose not to respond, the writer can state as much and his writing gains further credibility. If not, then I would think it deserving of a lower grade. I recall in Statistics class the concept of analysis requiring what was defined as a measure of being "robust." I learned similar concepts and practices from some of my great English and Philosophy profs at the Cross as well, especially those whom I held in highest regard. So the question begs, does this writer meet those standards of measurement? |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 22, 2020 10:25:21 GMT -5
Pat Forde is not a 25 yr old kid. He's a well-respected scribe who was at Yahoo Sports for years until moving to SI recently. He's also based in Louisville, and knows the U of L program well.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 22, 2020 10:36:53 GMT -5
Forde was a writer for the Courier Journal in Louisville for a number of years
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 22, 2020 10:42:49 GMT -5
And it's an column, i.e., opinion, based on events to date. Not sure a comment from Seamus Carey or anyone else at Iona was necessary as they made their position clear in their public statements.
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Post by td128 on Mar 22, 2020 11:14:59 GMT -5
The writer opines on the topic of the NCAA penalties and/or sanctions that might yet be handed down. A phone call to Carey or perhaps the AD at Iona on that topic asking for comment strikes me as basic journalism. Not having done so, the writer strikes me as being as more concerned with a personal agenda than anything else.
I was not aware that Forde was in Louisville for a number of years. That fact along with the tenor of this commentary indicates to me that Forde and Pitino and perhaps the Louisville AD Tom Jurich may have had a sour relationship. Would seem logical that that past relationship is coloring Forde's opinion directed squarely at Iona officials. We see this so called style of journalism in many segments of our society today.
Oh well.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 22, 2020 11:22:33 GMT -5
To expand upon whar 8484 notes, Forde is a columnist, not a reporter. Distinct difference between the two. Most should know this.
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Post by td128 on Mar 22, 2020 11:33:37 GMT -5
Ok, good. Thanks for the clarification. I guessed that those who might write opinion pieces even may actually care to know a little bit about what might go on or went on. I guess clearly not.
Not that Forde or perhaps those who follow him care but I welcome sharing with you and others then that his opinions regarding Iona officials are for lack of a better term, "clueless".
My last comment on this topic will be that even those who formerly led our board indicated their belief in the concept and power of redemption and the fact that HC officials should at least have a conversation with RP.
Have a nice day, gentlemen.
Godspeed.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2020 12:04:40 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on May 4, 2020 22:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on May 5, 2020 8:18:55 GMT -5
Has a coach ever been personally suspended for wrongdoings at a program? I thought the school took the full hit and the coach just moved on like nothing ever happened.
Also, he hasn't coached in the NCAA in a few years. Does that time count in his suspension?
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Post by hchoops on May 5, 2020 8:32:11 GMT -5
Kelvin Sampson was suspended after Indiana violations.
I think Eddie Sutton was also suspended after Kentucky ( surprise !) violations
Very doubtful the years away would count. That is why Iona made a statement.
Maybe Iona’s due diligence was a bit off.
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Post by Tom on May 5, 2020 9:55:02 GMT -5
Made me look.
There was a season between Kentucky and Oklahoma St when Sutton didn't coach.
Not sure if that was because he was suspended, or just no one chose to hire him. I don't know when he actually left Kentucky, but unless it was within a week or two of the end of the season, there might not have been any openings when he became available. HC is one of the few schools that starts hiring searches in June
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Post by purplehaze on May 9, 2020 14:49:19 GMT -5
just announced:
3 Star recruit to Iona who was also considering Richmond - rumor that Iona's 20-21 schedule might include two games at MSG - NCAA still looking at Tricky Rick and sneaky sneaker dealings.
Evan Daniels@EvanDaniels
Three-star German forward Dwayne Koroma just verbally committed to Rick Pitino and Iona, he tells
@247sports. This is Pitino's seventh addition to his 2020 class.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 9, 2020 15:04:54 GMT -5
Has a coach ever been personally suspended for wrongdoings at a program? I thought the school took the full hit and the coach just moved on like nothing ever happened. Absolutely--it's what the NCAA calls the "show cause" order. A coach can be put on the list and a school wishing to hire him must show cause why he needs to be hired. Almost no one (see exception below) is hired off a "show cause" list in men's basketball. Examples include Dave Bliss, Todd Bozeman, Bob Wade, Kevin Ollie, and most recently, Jerome Allen. The only major coach to have been rehired was Bruce Pearl at Auburn. |
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Post by sader1970 on May 9, 2020 15:05:32 GMT -5
We can expect to see a bright future for Iona basketball for a few years until the NCAA catches up.
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Post by longsuffering on May 9, 2020 15:27:17 GMT -5
I want to watch RP work his magic at Iona. One of the disappointing feelings about the 19-20 Holy Cross MBB season is wondering if HC got stuck with the worst of both worlds: the ills of big time BB with the tremendous roster turnover combined with very poor on court performance.
At least if Iona gets the roster turnover ills of big time BB, they should reap corresponding improved performance with Rick's recruiting and if not suspended, coaching.
Do posters think RP would take either DL or JP if he has room for them, or are they rated below a three star incoming recruit after impressive PL freshmen seasons?
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Post by hchoops on May 9, 2020 15:30:53 GMT -5
Your last sentence says it all with pitino
“If not suspended”
That is who he is
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Post by longsuffering on May 9, 2020 16:00:14 GMT -5
I know but it's less conflicting if he is at another small Catholic College instead of Holy Cross.
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Post by hchoops on May 9, 2020 16:14:54 GMT -5
He should not be coaching at any college, esp a Catholic one
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