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Post by hc17 on Jun 4, 2020 16:18:42 GMT -5
In the past, it seemed that the DCU would look to make things work on their end. After all, we’d be providing them consistent revenues for ice time. I believe the major sticking point is scheduling. Hockey East wants to lock into the Friday/Saturday night time slots, which I’m sure coincides with the Railers and ECHL scheduling priority.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 4, 2020 16:46:26 GMT -5
Yes, an occasional Thursday night (or Sunday) home game will be necessary but UConn has worked out their schedule with the AHL who play weekends also in the XL Center - generally when the Railers are on the road, we’d be home those weekends
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 4, 2020 16:54:05 GMT -5
How's Dartmouth looking in the ECAC this year?
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Post by hc17 on Jun 4, 2020 17:01:57 GMT -5
You seem pretty interested in Dartmouth Hockey. Outside of Pearl being a candidate for the job, which he ultimately didn’t get, I could care less. I do apologize for the thread coming back to HC hockey. Maybe you could take a look at the Dartmouth board and let us know how they’re doing
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 4, 2020 17:05:35 GMT -5
My point when right over your head. Why don't you move the HE talk to one of the dozen about it.
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Post by hc17 on Jun 4, 2020 17:17:58 GMT -5
Don’t give yourself too much credit. I’ll be more conscious of organizing the posts with the appropriate topic going forward
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 7, 2020 2:24:06 GMT -5
As I always say, Holy Cross hockey brings NOTHING to Hockey East. If you want to see the best teams in the country, you can already drive the hour to BC, BU, Northeastern, Providence, UMass-Amherst and Lowell. Even UConn is fairly close also. None of those schools bring in fans to road games (aka more than parents and maybe 20 fans). It is Maine and UNH that have large traveling parties. Given that HE is currently at 11 Teams, who do you believe are great candidates for the 12th spot? The 11 team structure has caused scheduling concerns and is a priority for the new HE commish. To me, at the very least, HC fits the academic & geographical profile of HE. Some may question how academics fit into the equation, but it is without a doubt a factor in determining fit for a potential new member into any conference. If I go down the road to UMass, Northeastern, BU, BC, UConn or Prov to watch a hockey game, I'll do so with the other team on the ice wearing purple. I could care less about attending a college hockey game without my Alma Mater. And do you know who the Hockey East commish is now? A longtime UNH Associate AD that was the head of the NCAA Hockey Committee last year. There are much better options than Holy Cross for Hockey East. You guys continue to bring up that Hockey East needs to be at 12 teams. They were at eleven before the CCHA was split up and took on Notre Dame in 2013-2014. Holy Cross fits into the geography of the conference but can’t compete with the funding and facilities. Quinnipiac is what the Hockey East fans want for the quality of the team in the ice. If Sacred Heart gets their rink finished, they right into the number two spot and then after that it becomes a question of RPI, Saint A’s, Franklin Pierce, Assumption, Saint Michaels, and Holy Cross. Who wants to fund the program? Assumption could always jump Holy Cross in this by getting a deal with the DCU and playing up (which is allowed in D-2 hockey).
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 10:13:59 GMT -5
Notice how Assumption "leapfrogged" HC in signing partnership agreements with both the WooSox and the new St. Paul's high school (the merged Holy Name and SPM). HC might argue they didn't want either, but Holy Cross is closer to each of these new Assumption partners so the term leapfrog does apply.
No criticism of HC, but a tip of the fedora to AC for creative engagement in the community. Necessity is the mother of invention and Assumption is not facing demographic and economic head winds lying down, they are being inventive. HC has less necessity and much to conserve which is the definition of conservative.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 7, 2020 10:17:21 GMT -5
Assumption did well with this agreements...but HC got Coach Chesney sao I would say HC got the better of that deal. Perhaps at some point Assumption will be D1 and we could have a natural rivalry with them once again.
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Post by purple1 on Jun 7, 2020 10:32:32 GMT -5
Assumption has a daunting financial concern. Look at their endowment and applications......they need for their alums to step up or face budget limitations.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 7, 2020 10:46:17 GMT -5
That is certainly true. But, couldn't an announced move to D1 help both fund-raising and recruiting?
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 7, 2020 10:56:48 GMT -5
Holy Cross fits into the geography of the conference but can’t compete with the funding and facilities. Don’t confuse willingness to compete and ability to compete with the funding and facilities. If Holy Cross decides they want to make the investment they are far batter able to than any of the schools mentioned and I’ll bet are better able to compete financially than at least a couple of the schools already in Hockey East including Providence. And also do do not forget the the HC women are already in Hockey East which give Holy Cross at least a toe already in the door.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 7, 2020 11:03:14 GMT -5
Notice how Assumption "leapfrogged" HC in signing partnership agreements with both the WooSox and the new St. Paul's high school (the merged Holy Name and SPM). HC might argue they didn't want either, but Holy Cross is closer to each of these new Assumption partners so the term leapfrog does apply. No criticism of HC, but a tip of the fedora to AC for creative engagement in the community. Necessity is the mother of invention and Assumption is not facing demographic and economic head winds lying down, they are being inventive. HC has less necessity and much to conserve which is the definition of conservative. Perhaps you're not familiar with The Nativity School. HC wasn't "leapfrogged" by anyone when it comes to partnering for education and helping local kids.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 7, 2020 13:17:04 GMT -5
Notice how Assumption "leapfrogged" HC in signing partnership agreements with both the WooSox and the new St. Paul's high school (the merged Holy Name and SPM). HC might argue they didn't want either, but Holy Cross is closer to each of these new Assumption partners so the term leapfrog does apply. No criticism of HC, but a tip of the fedora to AC for creative engagement in the community. Necessity is the mother of invention and Assumption is not facing demographic and economic head winds lying down, they are being inventive. HC has less necessity and much to conserve which is the definition of conservative. Fantastic that Assumption is providing a higher ed opportunities for kids at a Worcester Catholic high school, but you might want to educate yourself on what HC does in the community (these are just the academic outreach programs): www.holycross.edu/holy-cross-and-community/government-and-community-relations/academic-outreachwhich include a similar program offering college credit to any area high school student, not just the one's fortunate enough to attend the high school run by the local bishop, who in the nearly 20 years he's been bishop, has shown little interest in what Holy Cross does, unless something he disagrees with comes up. Oh and BTW - have said for some time, Holy Cross can do a significantly better job promoting and publicizing these efforts.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 13:48:22 GMT -5
Notice how Assumption "leapfrogged" HC in signing partnership agreements with both the WooSox and the new St. Paul's high school (the merged Holy Name and SPM). HC might argue they didn't want either, but Holy Cross is closer to each of these new Assumption partners so the term leapfrog does apply. No criticism of HC, but a tip of the fedora to AC for creative engagement in the community. Necessity is the mother of invention and Assumption is not facing demographic and economic head winds lying down, they are being inventive. HC has less necessity and much to conserve which is the definition of conservative. Perhaps you're not familiar with The Nativity School. HC wasn't "leapfrogged" by anyone when it comes to partnering for education and helping local kids. Excellent point. HC and the Jesuits have been so selfless and giving that this school escaped my thoughts. It's tuition free like Dr. Fauci's Regis High School and so well run it is never in the news over any controversy about closing or merging or anything.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 14:04:34 GMT -5
Notice how Assumption "leapfrogged" HC in signing partnership agreements with both the WooSox and the new St. Paul's high school (the merged Holy Name and SPM). HC might argue they didn't want either, but Holy Cross is closer to each of these new Assumption partners so the term leapfrog does apply. No criticism of HC, but a tip of the fedora to AC for creative engagement in the community. Necessity is the mother of invention and Assumption is not facing demographic and economic head winds lying down, they are being inventive. HC has less necessity and much to conserve which is the definition of conservative. Fantastic that Assumption is providing a higher ed opportunities for kids at a Worcester Catholic high school, but you might want to educate yourself on what HC does in the community (these are just the academic outreach programs): www.holycross.edu/holy-cross-and-community/government-and-community-relations/academic-outreachwhich include a similar program offering college credit to any area high school student, not just the one's fortunate enough to attend the high school run by the local bishop, who in the nearly 20 years he's been bishop, has shown little interest in what Holy Cross does, unless something he disagrees with comes up. Oh and BTW - have said for some time, Holy Cross can do a significantly better job promoting and publicizing these efforts. Once again, HC is so virtuous and giving I was not even aware of the Gifted High School Student Program. Now that we are discussing it, I do remember media reports on the very fun looking chariot races at the Classics day Holy Cross runs for high school students and there are all kinds of student outreach in the community such as S.P.U.D. and tutoring, Big brother/Big Sister, etc. What I was thinking about Assumption is that both the Woo Sox and St, Paul partnerships are born of necessary creativity as much as anything else. Assumption actually pays some money to the Woo Sox if I recall but gains internships and work study opportunities that are attractive to applicants and students, and the St. Paul partnership has value for both institutions but also gives Assumption a cohort of "warm" potential future students that already have a foot in the door. HC is a little further from the edge of sustainability than AC so perhaps they don't have to be as creative in seeking to attract and retain students.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 7, 2020 15:04:37 GMT -5
My point is, whether they have to be or not, Holy Cross has been more creative than Assumption, who have a long way to go before it leapfrogs HC in anything much less creativity in community engagement.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2020 19:39:36 GMT -5
My point is, whether they have to be or not, Holy Cross has been more creative than Assumption, who have a long way to go before it leapfrogs HC in anything much less creativity in community engagement. I also see Assumption as proactive in adding continuing education and graduate programs the marketplace has a need for. Again, not totally altruistic because I believe these programs are designed to be profitable and support the undergraduate mission.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 7, 2020 21:04:25 GMT -5
Since the increase cost for Hockey East was estimated at 2 million a year, does anyone have an estimate of an increase that would have incurred if HC had joined ECAC Hockey?
With the legacy that HC has had in football, basketball and baseball, I prefer that those programs as well softball, and volleyball be strengthened rather than to chase a league that I strongly question will financially or brand image wise strengthen the overall global mission of the college.
Sacred Heart, Assumption, Merrimack, etc have had very limited tradition or legacy in Div 1 sports. If they are willing to cast other sports aside for Hockey East, with a questionable ROI, I wish them well, With sports being eliminated at a number of larger schools, due to financial constraints , Hockey East membership with their on campus facility requirement of 4,000 is not a prudent investment.
I would prefer that if an additional 2 million was to be spent, that a concerted effort would be made to make Fitton ADA compliant, as well as other functionality changes such as locker rooms and bathrooms for the lower campus athletic facilities.
Maybe it is time for the Hockey Alumni and those who want the change to Hockey East to step up financially as well as create the Hockey version of 90 wide, to make such a move viable and successful.
And for those who may question if I am a hockey fan, I have attended many H C games, over the years including standing in the cold at night at outdoor rinks at MIT and UConn during the 1970’s to see friends that I had on the team play. For those who have been around Hockey for a number of years, do you remember before plexiglass when there was chicken wire above the dashboards. I remember a game against St. A’s at the old Worcester Arena, when one of their players tried to climb the chicken wire to come at the HC fans before he was restrained. Those were the days when Hockey was Hockey.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 8, 2020 15:21:17 GMT -5
Hockey East commish and current NCAA Hockey Committee Chairman Steve Metcalf to the Boston Globe on adding a 12th team: “On the men’s side, we’ve got 11 great institutions. We would only be looking at a 12th team if it was an institution and a program that brought some value to the league,” said Metcalf. “I don’t think it makes sense just for scheduling purposes.” www.boston.com/sports/college-sports/2020/06/08/hockey-east-commissioner-steve-metcalf
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 8, 2020 15:32:39 GMT -5
Hockey East commish and current NCAA Hockey Committee Chairman Steve Metcalf to the Boston Globe on adding a 12th team: “On the men’s side, we’ve got 11 great institutions. We would only be looking at a 12th team if it was an institution and a program that brought some value to the league,” said Metcalf. “I don’t think it makes sense just for scheduling purposes.” www.boston.com/sports/college-sports/2020/06/08/hockey-east-commissioner-steve-metcalfThat doesn't sound good for HC's chances. It's not like they don't know what we have to offer and they haven't recruited the men's team so far.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 8, 2020 16:14:15 GMT -5
Hockey East commish and current NCAA Hockey Committee Chairman Steve Metcalf to the Boston Globe on adding a 12th team: “On the men’s side, we’ve got 11 great institutions. We would only be looking at a 12th team if it was an institution and a program that brought some value to the league,” said Metcalf. “I don’t think it makes sense just for scheduling purposes.” www.boston.com/sports/college-sports/2020/06/08/hockey-east-commissioner-steve-metcalfMaybe post this in a thread where it belongs. And you conveniently left out that Metcalf acknowledged geography could be a factor in expansion, and on that front, there isn't a better option than HC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 8, 2020 20:46:06 GMT -5
Hockey East commish and current NCAA Hockey Committee Chairman Steve Metcalf to the Boston Globe on adding a 12th team: “On the men’s side, we’ve got 11 great institutions. We would only be looking at a 12th team if it was an institution and a program that brought some value to the league,” said Metcalf. “I don’t think it makes sense just for scheduling purposes.” www.boston.com/sports/college-sports/2020/06/08/hockey-east-commissioner-steve-metcalfMaybe post this in a thread where it belongs. And you conveniently left out that Metcalf acknowledged geography could be a factor in expansion, and on that front, there isn't a better option than HC. Post it all you want....I just was responding to the talk in this thread of Hockey East.
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