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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 18, 2020 14:09:19 GMT -5
On a serious note, when kids come back, I don't see how the school could accommodate 1 student in a dorm room designed for 2. Just not enough rooms for that to work. However, I could see them trying to minimize 3 students in a room designed for two. I don't know how often HC squeezed 3 kids into a double, but it certainly wasn't a rarity Prior to my freshman year beginning, it was late summer and I hadn't yet been given any information about a roommate, my dorm, where I was supposed to go, etc. I called the school when I heard from some high school classmates who were also set to attend HC that they were given all that information weeks before. HC told me that due to the length of my last name, it was too long for the system they used to pair folks up with one another, and my name simply dropped out of assignment. As a result, I'd have to be put into a forced triple (that is, three students in a 2 student dorm--- or a Blivet, which is 10 lbs of S--- in a 5 lb bag). I protested, saying it was their mistake, and I shouldn't pay the same price for a diminished housing experience because of a long last name. The only option that remained was to sign an agreement to live in Sub-Free procedures, Mulledy 4th floor. I met wonderful roommates and friends, so it worked out, but clearly was an issue during regular times...
...This is also at least a dorm or two prior to the current housing landscape (although off-campus housing was more prevalent as well).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 18, 2020 14:17:08 GMT -5
On a serious note, when kids come back, I don't see how the school could accommodate 1 student in a dorm room designed for 2. Just not enough rooms for that to work. However, I could see them trying to minimize 3 students in a room designed for two. I don't know how often HC squeezed 3 kids into a double, but it certainly wasn't a rarity The college's plan was two students per room, consistent with state guidelines. Three students (the triples) were verboten by the state. To accommodate potential overflow, HC leased student apartments at the Edge in downtown Worcester. When it went to the remote-learning alternative for most students, HC "de-densified" the campus by allowing only one student per room. That is what Harvard did originally. A major reason for the de-desification was to reduce the number of students sharing the same bathroom. Further, the majority of the residence halls have poor ventilation. I tend to think only those residence halls with A/C and forced air heating would have good ventilation. Poor ventilation contributes to aerosol spread. I do remember Fr. B. remarking in a webinar that consulting engineers told the school to run the ventilation air-handlers 24/7 and not shut them during the night. Apparently, based on the housing profiles posted for students, HC will allow four students to occupy a four bedroom suite, provided that the suite has its own bathroom. I don't know which residences have those? -- Figge, Williams?
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 18, 2020 15:25:31 GMT -5
Three in a double room was my freshman year in Wheeler - a bunk bed and a single (all Navy surplus). It was clearly a tight fit. No social distance would have been possible...and, luckily, none was needed.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 18, 2020 15:49:25 GMT -5
Yup, right around the corner from the stairs and the snack machine.
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Post by hceconhist on Aug 18, 2020 16:20:55 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 18, 2020 16:28:52 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Aug 18, 2020 16:44:54 GMT -5
Know quite a few parents whose kids decided to enroll in online community college and will transfer the credits once in-person school reappears.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 18, 2020 16:49:18 GMT -5
I also know "a few" (not that many). I once taught at Bergen Community College where many students take a 2 year AS degree for next to nothing and then start their bachelor's degree as juniors. However, these are not scholarship athletes. The money makes a heck of a difference for many families.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 18, 2020 16:53:12 GMT -5
The past (Florida beaches, Jersey City bars and parties, etc.) makes it appear a lot of irresponsible behavior could take place, but I am not sure how anyone can say that is what will happen in the future...or that this is what colleges are planning to do. A few days ago, we saw a list showing just Holy Cross having only distance learning for the fall semester. That has started to change with more colleges following the HC lead.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 18, 2020 18:07:03 GMT -5
Looks like ND is going online (with kids on campus) for two weeks.
Not a shocker when college- age kids (attending college and not, on campus or not, playing sports or not) test positive for Covid. We’ll likely have a lot more positive test results (college-aged and otherwise).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 18, 2020 18:34:32 GMT -5
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Post by crossbball13 on Aug 18, 2020 18:49:24 GMT -5
Looks like ND is going online (with kids on campus) for two weeks. Not a shocker when college- age kids (attending college and not, on campus or not, playing sports or not) test positive for Covid. We’ll likely have a lot more positive test results (college-aged and otherwise). So no problem here?
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Post by Tom on Aug 18, 2020 18:49:48 GMT -5
The current class of men's basketball seniors came to HC as a group of 6. As freshmen they were in two triples. Edge will help, but when students come back, the school will have work to do to ensure no triples in rooms designed for 2. One per room is a pipe dream with all students back.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 18, 2020 19:13:05 GMT -5
I was responding to the TV news report linked by Crossball about a complaining student who spent fifteen hours in close contact with his girlfriend and another friend including sleeping in the same bed as his girlfriend. The other two tested positive but he couldn't get a test because he was asymptomatic so far.
I have to fault ND because I am sure their reopening plan did not include this level of prolonged close contact between returning students but they seem to have no effective method to prevent it. I think for community spread to be prevented on a residential campus, students must socially distance 24/7 and wear masks when moving about the campus.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 18, 2020 19:28:17 GMT -5
On a serious note, when kids come back, I don't see how the school could accommodate 1 student in a dorm room designed for 2. Just not enough rooms for that to work. However, I could see them trying to minimize 3 students in a room designed for two. I don't know how often HC squeezed 3 kids into a double, but it certainly wasn't a rarity Prior to my freshman year beginning, it was late summer and I hadn't yet been given any information about a roommate, my dorm, where I was supposed to go, etc. I called the school when I heard from some high school classmates who were also set to attend HC that they were given all that information weeks before. HC told me that due to the length of my last name, it was too long for the system they used to pair folks up with one another, and my name simply dropped out of assignment. As a result, I'd have to be put into a forced triple (that is, three students in a 2 student dorm--- or a Blivet, which is 10 lbs of S--- in a 5 lb bag). I protested, saying it was their mistake, and I shouldn't pay the same price for a diminished housing experience because of a long last name. The only option that remained was to sign an agreement to live in Sub-Free procedures, Mulledy 4th floor. I met wonderful roommates and friends, so it worked out, but clearly was an issue during regular times...
...This is also at least a dorm or two prior to the current housing landscape (although off-campus housing was more prevalent as well).
A long name and a large vocabulary. I had never heard the term "blivet" so I googled it and you are right it is an impossible trident or "devil's fork" where an optical illusion turns two prongs into three and vice versa.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 18, 2020 20:22:52 GMT -5
Here are some Holy Cross numbers
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 18, 2020 20:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Aug 18, 2020 21:56:16 GMT -5
I was responding to the TV news report linked by Crossball about a complaining student who spent fifteen hours in close contact with his girlfriend and another friend including sleeping in the same bed as his girlfriend. The other two tested positive but he couldn't get a test because he was asymptomatic so far. For what it's worth, I was just going for a cheap laugh
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 19, 2020 2:26:21 GMT -5
I was responding to the TV news report linked by Crossball about a complaining student who spent fifteen hours in close contact with his girlfriend and another friend including sleeping in the same bed as his girlfriend. The other two tested positive but he couldn't get a test because he was asymptomatic so far. For what it's worth, I was just going for a cheap laugh The cheaper the better in my book.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 19, 2020 2:32:50 GMT -5
On Sunday ND conducted 30 tests and fifteen were positive. Two criticisms: There are 12,000 students on campus, what was the staff at the testing center doing all day, their nails? And, all 12,000 students who made it onto campus came in with a negative test so all infections have happened on ND's watch. I think colleges will have to make the campus much more like (not completely, obviously) the successful bubbles of some of the pro sports leagues if they expect to keep all campus constituents safe and healthy all semester.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 19, 2020 5:16:05 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/notre-dame-coronavirus.html?searchResultPosition=1The majority of Notre Dame's cases stem from off-campus parties. Notre Dame's testing is apparently done by Rutgers. And IIRC, Notre Dame's testing protocol was to have students test before arrival on campus, and on arrival, and subsequently test only those with symptoms. There was no surveillance (random) testing, and certainly the testing protocol was far less robust than what HC planned to conduct. IMO, a 16% positive rate is certainly alarming. I daresay if a college or university in Massachusetts reported a 16% positive rate from a fairly large sampling, the state, if not local officials, would shut the school down. ________________________ As for the HC case, it would seem that the students partying off-campus had signed leases for off-campus housing beginning on August 1, and returned to Worcester several weeks early. AFAIK, there are no indoor campus facilities open for athletics at this time. ______________________ The partying 'Greeks', the equivalent on a no-fly zone for university officials. www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/coronavirus-fraternities-sororities.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 19, 2020 6:50:42 GMT -5
Fr. Jenkins makes it sound like the local health officials talked him into keeping the 12,000 students on campus. That doesn't sound right.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 19, 2020 7:34:49 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/notre-dame-coronavirus.html?searchResultPosition=1The majority of Notre Dame's cases stem from off-campus parties. Notre Dame's testing is apparently done by Rutgers. And IIRC, Notre Dame's testing protocol was to have students test before arrival on campus, and on arrival, and subsequently test only those with symptoms. There was no surveillance (random) testing, and certainly the testing protocol was far less robust than what HC planned to conduct. IMO, a 16% positive rate is certainly alarming. I daresay if a college or university in Massachusetts reported a 16% positive rate from a fairly large sampling, the state, if not local officials, would shut the school down. ________________________ As for the HC case, it would seem that the students partying off-campus had signed leases for off-campus housing beginning on August 1, and returned to Worcester several weeks early. AFAIK, there are no indoor campus facilities open for athletics at this time. ______________________ The partying 'Greeks', the equivalent on a no-fly zone for university officials. www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/coronavirus-fraternities-sororities.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article It is no secret many kids from closed campuses have rented apartments (in some cases near and in some cases quite far from the campuses). Kids from open campuses also rent apartments. And have parties and girlfriends/boyfriends who 'stay the night'. No reason to think either group escapes Covid. The same kids were blowing off social distancing, etc. all summer. Some catching Covid and recovering (most asymptomatic) . The thing that'll scare the kids is a significant number of College student deaths from Covid. Given the data and science that is unlikely to suddenly start happening . If anyone suggests closing all fraternities/sororities permanently I am all for it. If folks want to cite Covid as the reason that'll do. I'd close 'em down because today is Wednesday.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 19, 2020 9:05:18 GMT -5
Way back when I was just a tike, my Dad told me that there were no fraternities at Holy Cross as the Jesuits were institutionally opposed to them. Never looked it up but while I know there are/never have been no fraternities or sororities at Holy Cross, I suspect none at any other Jesuit schools as well. Anyone know the reason? I suspect because they are viewed as exclusionary but I never asked dear old Dad what the rationale was. I certainly didn't miss them while at HC despite seeing "Animal House" years later.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 19, 2020 10:06:26 GMT -5
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