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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 19, 2020 11:16:00 GMT -5
As of 12:00 PM today, Notre Dame is reporting 222 cases. 73 Up from 8/18/2020.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 19, 2020 11:29:43 GMT -5
Way back when I was just a tike, my Dad told me that there were no fraternities at Holy Cross as the Jesuits were institutionally opposed to them. Never looked it up but while I know there are/never have been no fraternities or sororities at Holy Cross, I suspect none at any other Jesuit schools as well. I'm pretty sure some Jesuit schools have fraternities/sororities. To start, Creighton, Marquette, St. Joes, St. Louis, Canisius, and Loyola (New Orleans)
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 19, 2020 11:38:04 GMT -5
...second tier Jesuit institutions? I am biased on this one. One of my sons had major issues with frats at his college. The hazing caused his roommate to flunk out of school. The frat boys seemed to feel they "owned" the young women in their sister sorority and when my son (decidedly non-frat) did date one it resulted in a number of fights. At least the fights were "fair" - with him against not more than 2 or 3 frat boys at any one time. On the good side, the ties of a Greek bond can last a lifetime and some are positive. Some frats also do good works in their communities each year. I would come down on the side of those who do not support the Greek system.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 19, 2020 11:51:04 GMT -5
Somebody once explained it to me as the same reason why students wear uniforms at Catholic schools. No one is special whether they are a Kennedy, or as Howie Carr calls an Irish wannabe Mass. Pol, a "K-Mart Kennedy."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 19, 2020 12:00:08 GMT -5
In our summer job my brother (HC 74) and I used to marvel at the stories one on the frat guys in our work crew told about the senseless hazing at his fraternity. Inflicting mindless brutality on your “brothers “ just baffles me
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 19, 2020 17:08:18 GMT -5
Today's report from Lafayette: '625 returning students.. 4 tested positive... all asymptomatic... 25 were in close contact and will be quarantined'
that's pretty good - hope it continues. (thought they were totally on-line but guess those numbers have special considerations)
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 19, 2020 18:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by rf1 on Aug 19, 2020 18:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 19, 2020 22:22:37 GMT -5
If any of the attendees are part of the cohort who have permission to live on campus at Holy Cross due to special needs and circumstances, I have little sympathy for them. They are put everyone else on the campus at risk so they can party. If the attendees are all students who leased off campus apartments in good faith when HC announced they would offer in person classes, that is slightly different because they have no more access to campus facilities under the current arrangement than if they were home in Kalamazoo and studying remotely even though they live across the street from HC. If it is a mixture of students that would represent any firewall HC had in it's plan failing before the semester even begins.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 20, 2020 7:09:59 GMT -5
HC should expel the lot of them.
LOL, okay.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 20, 2020 7:17:33 GMT -5
...second tier Jesuit institutions? I am biased on this one. One of my sons had major issues with frats at his college. The hazing caused his roommate to flunk out of school. The frat boys seemed to feel they "owned" the young women in their sister sorority and when my son (decidedly non-frat) did date one it resulted in a number of fights. At least the fights were "fair" - with him against not more than 2 or 3 frat boys at any one time. On the good side, the ties of a Greek bond can last a lifetime and some are positive. Some frats also do good works in their communities each year. I would come down on the side of those who do not support the Greek system. Fraternities and sororities may do good works, but I think on balance Greek life is a bad thing. I've seen or heard of way too many instances of hazing and egregious bad behavior (my older brother also took 6 years to graduate from Cornell due to his whole-hearted embrace of his fraternity's social life). As each of my three sons went off to college I told them that if they joined a fraternity the check book was going in the drawer. I'm all for having a good time in college but Greek life embodies excess (as I'm writing this I'm recalling that a close friend belonged to a fraternity at UMass and that they had a "Gak of the Month" award for the person who vomited the most due to drunkenness).
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Post by Tom on Aug 20, 2020 7:47:50 GMT -5
A bunch of random thoughts on the College Hill party - Classes don't start until Sept 1. I don't think the kids who will be allowed on campus are there yet. As someone pointed out above, probably kids who signed a lease before they found out HC was remote and were stuck with the lease. I suppose it's possible that some kids who will be allowed to live on campus at the end of the month are in town early crashing at their buddies' place, but more likely all off campus students. - It doesn't make it right, but in the middle of summer break, the fact that this party was on College Hill is kind of irrelevant. This is no different than a party at HC by the Sea down in Yarmouth. - This isn't UConn where the party happened in a dorm and UConn said if you don't follow dorm rules you can't live in the dorms. It will be interesting to see what kind of discipline is handed out. Likely that we will never know for sure - Is anyone really surprised that college kids at HC and other schools aren't following guidelines for social gathering? In addition to the guidelines about social distancing there is an actual law that says anyone under the age of 21 (basically 3/4 of college kids) can't drink alcohol. I think that law was being broken even before the pandemic - During the school year, HC hires Worcester police to hang out with Public Safety during peak party hours because public safety has no legal authority off campus - or at least none that I am aware of. I am assuming this party was loud enough that someone called the Worcester PD - Only at a Catholic school, do student get together to celebrate the Feast of the Assumption Probably only the history majors knew it was the 75th anniversary of VJ day - This is happening everywhere and pretty much guarantees there will be no normal education prior to a vaccine. As Eric Stratton said to our board moderator "What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules."
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Post by hcpride on Aug 20, 2020 8:22:54 GMT -5
A bunch of random thoughts on the College Hill party - Classes don't start until Sept 1. I don't think the kids who will be allowed on campus are there yet. As someone pointed out above, probably kids who signed a lease before they found out HC was remote and were stuck with the lease. I suppose it's possible that some kids who will be allowed to live on campus at the end of the month are in town early crashing at their buddies' place, but more likely all off campus students. - It doesn't make it right, but in the middle of summer break, the fact that this party was on College Hill is kind of irrelevant. This is no different than a party at HC by the Sea down in Yarmouth. - This isn't UConn where the party happened in a dorm and UConn said if you don't follow dorm rules you can't live in the dorms. It will be interesting to see what kind of discipline is handed out. Likely that we will never know for sure - Is anyone really surprised that college kids at HC and other schools aren't following guidelines for social gathering? In addition to the guidelines about social distancing there is an actual law that says anyone under the age of 21 (basically 3/4 of college kids) can't drink alcohol. I think that law was being broken even before the pandemic - During the school year, HC hires Worcester police to hang out with Public Safety during peak party hours because public safety has no legal authority off campus - or at least none that I am aware of. I am assuming this party was loud enough that someone called the Worcester PD - Only at a Catholic school, do student get together to celebrate the Feast of the Assumption Probably only the history majors knew it was the 75th anniversary of VJ day - This is happening everywhere and pretty much guarantees there will be no normal education prior to a vaccine. As Eric Stratton said to our board moderator "What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules." Agree At the risk of repeating myself I don't think that anyone is surprised (or at least I hope not) that college-aged kids (in college or not, on campus or not) are going to violate social distancing/masking/hygiene. (Not all kids and not all the time, of course.) Shutting campuses or opening campuses does not magically change that truism. Although one would imagine the more closely supervised kids would do less of it. Anyone who had their eyes open this summer saw that sort of behavior. If we were talking Ebola or even deadly Meningitis outbreaks among the college-aged we would see something different...but the kids know the stats and science so they don't see Covid among their friends as anything like Covid in a nursing home. (Not all kids and not all the time, of course.) Obviously colleges can't create an NBA bubble (even prisons cannot) and that is why none were silly enough to try, but one would imagine there is a way to open residential college campuses and not increase the risk of Covid deaths.
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Post by Tom on Aug 20, 2020 8:39:24 GMT -5
Obviously colleges can't create an NBA bubble (even prisons cannot) and that is why none were silly enough to try, but one would imagine there is a way to open residential college campuses and not increase the risk of Covid deaths. I could see two of our Patriot League brethren coming darn close to creating a bubble and think they will try to pull it off
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Post by hcpride on Aug 20, 2020 10:33:03 GMT -5
Obviously colleges can't create an NBA bubble (even prisons cannot) and that is why none were silly enough to try, but one would imagine there is a way to open residential college campuses and not increase the risk of Covid deaths. I could see two of our Patriot League brethren coming darn close to creating a bubble and think they will try to pull it off Oh, I have no doubt schools can open campuses this year. My point was that an NBA-style bubble is a non-starter. In the first case kids and much of staff could not come and go from campus for the entire duration. Not even back and forth from apts/houses to campus. That is very different from limiting travel and the whole initial quarantine/mask/social distance/hygeine/frequent test/dining changes/no parties/contact tracing, etc. we’ll see schools work to enforce.
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Post by Tom on Aug 20, 2020 11:07:04 GMT -5
I could see two of our Patriot League brethren coming darn close to creating a bubble and think they will try to pull it off Oh, I have no doubt schools can open campuses this year. My point was that an NBA-style bubble is a non-starter. In the first case kids and much of staff could not come and go from campus for the entire duration. Not even back and forth from apts/houses to campus. That is very different from limiting travel and the whole initial quarantine/mask/social distance/hygeine/frequent test/dining changes/no parties/contact tracing, etc. we’ll see schools work to enforce. I agree that for 99 percent of the colleges a bubble is just impractical. The Military and Naval Academies are in a somewhat different situation than the rest of the college landscape. They can and likely will lock down all kids on campus. It might not be a perfect NBA bubble, but they'll come a lot closer than pretty much anyone else
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Post by hcpride on Aug 20, 2020 11:13:26 GMT -5
Yes, military academies are quite different from colleges.
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Post by alum on Aug 20, 2020 11:40:32 GMT -5
ND has another bad day. I watched the video that Father Jenkins put out the other day. He wasn't happy and they've had a couple more bad days since then. It is also unclear whether they have the ability to do surveillance testing of the whole student body so I don't know that they have a handle on what is in front of them. here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/I will be interested to see what happens in Connecticut where there has been more than a month below 1% positivity on a pretty decent (but not great) amount of testing. Perhaps if the colleges can keep the kids locked down for a couple of weeks to flush out cases of the people who tested negative on arrival but who were already exposed, they will be able to stay in front of this virus. Maybe the answer is for everyone to do things right, get the positivity rate down below 1% nationwide, and hope for second semester.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 20, 2020 12:01:41 GMT -5
ND has another bad day. I watched the video that Father Jenkins put out the other day. He wasn't happy and they've had a couple more bad days since then. It is also unclear whether they have the ability to do surveillance testing of the whole student body so I don't know that they have a handle on what is in front of them. here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/I will be interested to see what happens in Connecticut where there has been more than a month below 1% positivity on a pretty decent (but not great) amount of testing. Perhaps if the colleges can keep the kids locked down for a couple of weeks to flush out cases of the people who tested negative on arrival but who were already exposed, they will be able to stay in front of this virus. Maybe the answer is for everyone to do things right, get the positivity rate down below 1% nationwide, and hope for second semester. The smaller the college the easier to stay in front from what we're seeing at ND. UConn might be tough.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 20, 2020 12:03:17 GMT -5
Fwiw, in the first week of testing students who had recently arrived on campus (plus staff members), Bucknell had one positive result out of 4375 persons tested. Note that all of those 4375 had also tested negative in the two weeks prior to arrival on campus, so it was not a totally random sample.
I know that the rate won't stay that low, but am hoping it stays reasonable enough to continue in-person classes for the semester.
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Post by alum on Aug 20, 2020 12:27:43 GMT -5
ND has another bad day. I watched the video that Father Jenkins put out the other day. He wasn't happy and they've had a couple more bad days since then. It is also unclear whether they have the ability to do surveillance testing of the whole student body so I don't know that they have a handle on what is in front of them. here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/I will be interested to see what happens in Connecticut where there has been more than a month below 1% positivity on a pretty decent (but not great) amount of testing. Perhaps if the colleges can keep the kids locked down for a couple of weeks to flush out cases of the people who tested negative on arrival but who were already exposed, they will be able to stay in front of this virus. Maybe the answer is for everyone to do things right, get the positivity rate down below 1% nationwide, and hope for second semester. The smaller the college the easier to stay in front from what we're seeing at ND. UConn might be tough. I agree. I was thinking about the smaller private schools. I hope they can all make it work.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 20, 2020 12:27:49 GMT -5
ND has another bad day. I watched the video that Father Jenkins put out the other day. He wasn't happy and they've had a couple more bad days since then. It is also unclear whether they have the ability to do surveillance testing of the whole student body so I don't know that they have a handle on what is in front of them. here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/I will be interested to see what happens in Connecticut where there has been more than a month below 1% positivity on a pretty decent (but not great) amount of testing. Perhaps if the colleges can keep the kids locked down for a couple of weeks to flush out cases of the people who tested negative on arrival but who were already exposed, they will be able to stay in front of this virus. Maybe the answer is for everyone to do things right, get the positivity rate down below 1% nationwide, and hope for second semester. The smaller the college the easier to stay in front from what we're seeing at ND. UConn might be tough. NC State is reporting cases now in addition to UNC. www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article245058250.html
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 20, 2020 13:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Aug 20, 2020 13:40:52 GMT -5
In other news, from NYT
On Wednesday, Massachusetts announced that it will require all students, ranging from six-month-olds in day care centers to those under 30, to get flu shots by Dec. 31. It is the first state to institute such a sweeping requirement for the shot, which is rarely mandated in the U.S.
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Post by Tom on Aug 20, 2020 13:47:06 GMT -5
Current limits in MA: 50 people outside 25 people inside
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