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Post by hc87 on Jul 15, 2020 17:15:37 GMT -5
Time to move on.....rather involved issue here, lot of questions: eligibility, logistics etc that I don't think the NCAA, PL etc have figured out yet.
Have at it...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 15, 2020 19:46:57 GMT -5
I'm going to say YES. Full PL schedule + 1 or 2 non-conference games against the Ivy or whoever else follows us with the fall cancellation/spring football option.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 15, 2020 20:14:12 GMT -5
If HC plays FB in the spring, it will be PL games only. Mark it down.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 15, 2020 22:54:37 GMT -5
It won't happen because it makes too much sense, but the PL and Ivy could make headlines and generate some interest with sports fans if they played their conference schedules and then had a handful of games between the two leagues. A four team playoff (two PL and two Ivy) to conclude the season would be pretty fun. I'm fairly confident they could negotiate a deal with ESPN in the spring to broadcast several games, along with a postseason tournament.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 16, 2020 6:59:03 GMT -5
You forget that many of the Ivies have only half or less of their undergraduates on campus for the spring semester. Same for Georgetown. Georgetown is bringing freshmen on-campus for fall semester, sending them home, and bringing seniors on-campus for spring semester. The only way that will be avoided is widespread vaccination of faculty, staff, and students starting in December, with a booster shot 30 days later. I have a better chance of being selected as the next President of Holy Cross than that happening. It's increasingly clear that shortages of testing kits and an inability to produce test results in a timely fashion are major factors driving college's decisions on whether to have fall sports. www.politico.com/news/2020/07/13/mulvaney-coronavirus-testing-359695
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Post by crusader12 on Jul 16, 2020 8:18:27 GMT -5
It won't happen because it makes too much sense, but the PL and Ivy could make headlines and generate some interest with sports fans if they played their conference schedules and then had a handful of games between the two leagues. A four team playoff (two PL and two Ivy) to conclude the season would be pretty fun. I'm fairly confident they could negotiate a deal with ESPN in the spring to broadcast several games, along with a postseason tournament. If the Ivy League doesn't play in the Spring, we won't either.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 16, 2020 8:24:57 GMT -5
You forget that many of the Ivies have only half or less of their undergraduates on campus for the spring semester. Same for Georgetown. Georgetown is bringing freshmen on-campus for fall semester, sending them home, and bringing seniors on-campus for spring semester. The only way that will be avoided is widespread vaccination of faculty, staff, and students starting in December, with a booster shot 30 days later. I have a better chance of being selected as the next President of Holy Cross than that happening. It's increasingly clear that shortages of testing kits and an inability to produce test results in a timely fashion are major factors driving college's decisions on whether to have fall sports. You bring up a good point that there are relatively nearby schools who are planning NOT to have two or three entire classes on campus in the Spring. The numbers we are now seeing (infection v deaths) may be an education on a number of fronts and the success schools like HC should see on campus (w/all four classes) first semester aren't likely to influence a January reversal from those schools. (By success I 'd say 0 deaths … of course they'll be cases of Covid-19 and flu on campus.)
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Post by hcpride on Jul 16, 2020 8:28:13 GMT -5
It won't happen because it makes too much sense, but the PL and Ivy could make headlines and generate some interest with sports fans if they played their conference schedules and then had a handful of games between the two leagues. A four team playoff (two PL and two Ivy) to conclude the season would be pretty fun. I'm fairly confident they could negotiate a deal with ESPN in the spring to broadcast several games, along with a postseason tournament. If the Ivy League doesn't play in the Spring, we won't either. As sad as it sounds, I'll bet there are folks pleased as punch when we are in the same sentence as the Ivies (even if the news is not very good). Such as, "The Ivy League, followed closely by the Patriot League, announced plans to cancel spring sports yesterday".
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 16, 2020 20:59:51 GMT -5
If the Ivy League doesn't play in the Spring, we won't either. As sad as it sounds, I'll bet there are folks pleased as punch when we are in the same sentence as the Ivies (even if the news is not very good). Such as, "The Ivy League, followed closely by the Patriot League, announced plans to cancel spring sports yesterday". If the Ivy League announced it was no longer sponsoring football anymore, would Holy Cross follow? At some point the PL either has to stand up on its own or abandon any pretense of owning its own destiny.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 16, 2020 21:16:52 GMT -5
As sad as it sounds, I'll bet there are folks pleased as punch when we are in the same sentence as the Ivies (even if the news is not very good). Such as, "The Ivy League, followed closely by the Patriot League, announced plans to cancel spring sports yesterday". If the Ivy League announced it was no longer sponsoring football anymore, would Holy Cross follow? At some point the PL either has to stand up on its own or abandon any pretense of owning its own destiny. The thing is, Holy Cross has been playing Harvard and Dartmouth near continuously for about 80 years. We have a fairly long history with Brown and Yale as well. Only Colgate in the Patriot League can really match the history we have with those schools in football. I'm not sure what you thought GTown signed up for when the Hoyas joined the PL. When the Colonial League was formed in the 80s, it was basically understood it was going to be (for bettah or worse) the sistah conference of the Ancient VIII.
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Post by purplepig on Jul 16, 2020 21:36:05 GMT -5
The Patriot League was at its strongest when it had a scheduling agreement with the Ivy League. Fans liked that too. Dartmouth or Monmouth? Easy choice. As for spring ball, doubtful. I talked last weekend to a friend who organizes outdoor concerts and festivals. Within the music industry, full recovery is not expected until September 2021. That will vary by state. Different business, same industry.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 16, 2020 22:40:02 GMT -5
As sad as it sounds, I'll bet there are folks pleased as punch when we are in the same sentence as the Ivies (even if the news is not very good). Such as, "The Ivy League, followed closely by the Patriot League, announced plans to cancel spring sports yesterday". If the Ivy League announced it was no longer sponsoring football anymore, would Holy Cross follow? At some point the PL either has to stand up on its own or abandon any pretense of owning its own destiny. Well, if the Ivies announce now no spring football BUT as an exception to policy they would allow seniors not to graduate but to instead return for a 5th undergraduate year with eligibility (sort of like a non-medical redshirt) something tells me the PL might follow suit. (I’m not suggesting the Ivies would do this)
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Post by hchoops on Jul 16, 2020 22:43:01 GMT -5
Good idea. The athletes may need only a semester, not an entire year.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 17, 2020 7:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 17, 2020 11:50:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you thought GTown signed up for when the Hoyas joined the PL. When the Colonial League was formed in the 80s, it was basically understood it was going to be (for bettah or worse) the sistah conference of the Ancient VIII. Georgetown thought by signing up for the PL that it would engage in frequent games with the Ivy to build football rivalries. For the most part, that hasn't happened. The Ivy League never warmed to playing Georgetown, whether due to distance, facilities, competitiveness, or just that it's not in their collective interest to do so. Most of these games don't draw any interest at either school--and to be fair, when you're 450 miles away, getting worked up for Georgetown and Harvard is a stretch. Some schools will schedule one-offs at their place but not return a game to DC. After 2021, Brown appears to be the only Ivy scheduling games with Georgetown going forward. The uncomfortable question is, after 20 years, is there any roadmap for Georgetown to fully compete, not merely show up, in the PL? This is increasingly a narrowing one.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 17, 2020 12:09:54 GMT -5
Georgetown's football program has certainly moved forward after years of total futility
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 17, 2020 12:12:19 GMT -5
If Georgetown wanted to legitimately compete in the PL, they could tomorrow. Their issues are self-inflicted.
Finish building a football stadium.
Go scholarship.
Pay the coaches.
Without making an investment, they’ll forever be swimming upstream.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 17, 2020 12:26:05 GMT -5
Love the NYT. Why are cases rising, particularly among young people? “The reopening and relaxing of social distancing restrictions in some states may be contributing to the first noticeable nationwide increase in coronavirus fatalities since April.” “Many of the states that reopened early are the ones seeing the biggest increases,” No mention of massive outdoor gatherings all over the country with no social distancing (usually) and varying degrees of mask compliance. I’m sure it’s a combination of factors but to completely ignore this factor is a joke.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 17, 2020 12:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jul 17, 2020 15:55:18 GMT -5
We have Yale locked up for the next 7-8 years.
No Dartmouth, no Brown for that long.
Can't tell with Harvard, they don't show anything after 2021.
Would seem to me that the tradition is changing a bit. Of course, post pandemic, there will be a lot of changes. Who knows what the "new normal" in college football at our level will look like.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 17, 2020 16:11:12 GMT -5
Floyd protests? No problem at all. Other protests? Big problem. Just what one could expect to be published in this horrendous rag.
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Post by purplepig on Jul 17, 2020 16:36:47 GMT -5
I’ve had enough of the politics. Maybe I will check back on this board in the fall. Shame on you for introducing politics and race into a sports board.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2020 6:30:36 GMT -5
No spring sports without a vaccine by December. Will there be a vaccine by December? Moderna starts phase 3 trials in little more than a week. 15,000 get vaccinated. 15,000 receive a placebo. Booster shot 30 days later for the 15,000 vaccinated, placebo shot for the 15,000 not vaccinated. At the end of August, the clock starts ticking. The phase 3 trial relies on the 30,000 living in areas which are hotbeds of community spread. That would rule out Boston, for example, being a site for the trial. The concept of the trial is that those who are vaccinated won't become infected, while some of those who received the placebo become infected. Fauci believes it will take three months to demonstrate that the vaccine works, assuming the trial sites remain as hotbeds. Poor choice of sites means the trial could take more months to complete. Ninety days from the end of August is the end of November. Assume that vaccine is shown to be safe and effective. Vaccinations begin December for those with the highest priority. Vaccinations ramp up in January for those with lower priorities, e.g., the elderly, those with underlying conditions., etc. By February, they may reach the tranche of college students living in congregate settings. First vaccinations Feb. 1-15; booster March 1-15. If colleges are willing to proceed based on partial immunity of the first shot, could play football in March. If colleges wait for the booster, could play football from mid-March onward. I use Moderna because it is the US vaccine to start phase 3. Three other potential vaccines have already started phase 3 trials. Two are Chinese-developed, one is British, developed by University of Oxford. The Oxford vaccine started phase 3 at the end of June, in Brazil. See: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html
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Post by bigfan on Jul 18, 2020 7:19:43 GMT -5
Georgetown only cares about it's Big East basketball program, that is where the money is.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 18, 2020 7:29:47 GMT -5
No spring sports without a vaccine by December. Will there be a vaccine by December? I don't know PP. (I'm assuming no vaccine in December.) Following the rather panicky and inertia-driven complete closure of campuses last spring, most colleges have learned that reopening the campus to students is not incompatible with the presence of Covid-19 in the country (or even in the state, city, or campus). The evidence for that is undeniable. Look at HC. The triumph of science and data. It could be that rational analysis and experience tells the same colleges over the next several months that organized athletics is not incompatible with the presence of Covid-19 in the country (or even the state, city, or campus). Assuming no vaccine (erring on the safe side) it would be nice to see some planning and evidence gathering going on that might lead to some spring sports (baseball/softball) in college. (I do know some are aghast that colleges would even reopen campuses while there is a 'raging pandemic with no vaccine' but the science and data tells schools otherwise...ditto might occur for school sports.)
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