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Post by hc87 on Oct 15, 2017 9:45:12 GMT -5
Vaas was put in a tough spot...no schollies etc. Not defending him....I basically stopped closely watching HC football from 1992-2005 or so, so I really don't have a good take on his coaching.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 15, 2017 9:59:52 GMT -5
...plus Peter wanted badly to run Lou Holtz' Notre Dame power option attack at HC...with the (some, but maybe not enough) decent players left over from the Duffner years it wasn't possible...they were recruited with something else in mind. Not to mention it was (and has) becoming outdated.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 15, 2017 10:06:04 GMT -5
ADNP's propensity is not to hire a HC with a previous association with Holy Cross.
For a major sport, and even some minor ones, he looks for someone who can recruit nationally. (Over 40 players on the Assumption roster are from Massachusetts.)
Recruiting at Holy Cross is complicated by the Academic Index, so the tendency is to look for someone comfortable with recruiting under the AI, and who has coached at an academically rigorous institution.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 15, 2017 10:10:36 GMT -5
ADNP's propensity is not to hire a HC with a previous association with Holy Cross. For a major sport, and even some minor ones, he looks for someone who can recruit nationally. (Over 40 players on the Assumption roster are from Massachusetts.) Recruiting at Holy Cross is complicated by the Academic Index, so the tendency is to look for someone comfortable with recruiting under the AI, and who has coached at an academically rigorous institution. So let's rehire Tom Gilmore. In all seriousness, I hope we can get any capable coach obviously but I just feel a former HC guy (ties/vested to the school/program) is preferable to some wunderkind from Anywhere U.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 15, 2017 10:20:43 GMT -5
...you have to make sure whoever it is can adjust to what HC is now...doesn't matter if he was a great player and/or coach here.
To be more specific (and I don't know the answer): How different is Holy Cross and its place in college football in 2017 than the early 80s Holy Cross of Terry Malone or the late 80s Holy Cross of Lee Hull? Or any number of coaches that worked for Carter and/or Duffner (or Duff himself)?
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Post by hcpride on Oct 15, 2017 10:26:13 GMT -5
ADNP's propensity is not to hire a HC with a previous association with Holy Cross. For a major sport, and even some minor ones, he looks for someone who can recruit nationally. (Over 40 players on the Assumption roster are from Massachusetts.) Recruiting at Holy Cross is complicated by the Academic Index, so the tendency is to look for someone comfortable with recruiting under the AI, and who has coached at an academically rigorous institution. So let's rehire Tom Gilmore. In all seriousness, I hope we can get any capable coach obviously but I just feel a former HC guy (ties/vested to the school/program) is preferable to some wunderkind from Anywhere U. hc87 you have been on target with much of what you have written here on Crossports. One suspects the current HC football goal is to win the Patriot League regularly as a threshold matter, win the majority of our OOC games each season, and compete well against our FBS scheduled opponents.In other words, a return to Northeast FCS (IAA) prominence. That is the reason for the huge expenditure on the Luth and other program upgrades. It may that be a dynamic up-and-comer and charismatic recruiter can come in, return us to northeast football prominence, and use that as a jump to the next level. Sort of the late Rick Carter's model...and a model we see all the time around the country. I don't personally have a problem with that. At all. The only question I have is, are we attractive to that sort of guy at this point?
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Post by timholycross on Oct 15, 2017 11:15:32 GMT -5
So let's rehire Tom Gilmore. In all seriousness, I hope we can get any capable coach obviously but I just feel a former HC guy (ties/vested to the school/program) is preferable to some wunderkind from Anywhere U. hc87 you have been on target with much of what you have written here on Crossports. One suspects the current HC football goal is to win the Patriot League regularly as a threshold matter, win the majority of our OOC games each season, and compete well against our FBS scheduled opponents.In other words, a return to Northeast FCS (IAA) prominence. That is the reason for the huge expenditure on the Luth and other program upgrades. It may that be a dynamic up-and-comer and charismatic recruiter can come in, return us to northeast football prominence, and use that as a jump to the next level. Sort of the late Rick Carter's model...and a model we see all the time around the country. I don't personally have a problem with that. At all. The only question I have is, are we attractive to that sort of guy at this point? The FCS head jobs are one level down from where they would have been back in HC's heyday. Very few schools, if anyone, were paying their OCs and DCs more money than HC's head coach when they hired Carter. I bet nowadays nearly every power conference school is doing just that. So you have that to contend with now.
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Post by Chu Chu on Oct 15, 2017 11:42:45 GMT -5
One thing that AD Nate Pine has excelled at is the recruiting and selection of excellent head coaches. Every one has been outstanding thus far.
I am surprised at the firing of Coach Gilmore, but I take it as evidence that Holy Cross really is serious about elevating our athletic program. This is particularly important in football, where we have a very ambitious schedule looming in the next several years. There is no time to waste. It seems to me that we now have the facilities, improved fund via the Crusader Athletics Fund and a commitment to hire the best. Things are changing!
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 15, 2017 11:56:47 GMT -5
Many of these posts are entertaining and make some valid points. However, the only thing I now care about is winning some games for these players this year. Next would come recruiting and starting back next year. Other than those two points, I don't care if the new coach is an HC grad, or where he comes from (DII of DIII, for example) as long as he brings us a winning team and never again see a game like this year's disasters against Lafayette and certainly against Yale.
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Post by joe on Oct 15, 2017 12:01:33 GMT -5
It’s so strange how we throttled UNH last month and now look at where we are. It’s just inexplicable.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 15, 2017 12:14:50 GMT -5
One thing that AD Nate Pine has excelled at is the recruiting and selection of excellent head coaches. Every one has been outstanding thus far. I am surprised at the firing of Coach Gilmore, but I take it as evidence that Holy Cross really is serious about elevating our athletic program. This is particularly important in football, where we have a very ambitious schedule looming in the next several years. There is no time to waste. It seems to me that we now have the facilities, improved fund via the Crusader Athletics Fund and a commitment to hire the best. Things are changing! He's excelled here?
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Post by aluminati on Oct 15, 2017 12:16:15 GMT -5
As a parent of someone being recruited, and after touring the IVYs and a few patriots, I can tell you that HC facilities are second to none. We are devastated with this news as HC is high on his list and we have no idea what the future holds. The school setting is outstanding and the assistant coaches are outstanding. With that said, Coach Gilmore came off a little disinterested (or just a figurehead) to all the recruits, while the assistants brought the energy. When he spoke to the kids, it almost seemed as if he didn’t want to be there. HC should not have a hard time finding a new HC given the facilities, current talent, scholarships, and location. There are some great coordinators in the ivy that can recruit, coach and understand “today’s kid.” Finding a new coach wont be challenging, but the next few months will be crazy.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 15, 2017 12:20:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the input. There was a parent who posted for awhile. Love to get his insight.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 15, 2017 12:31:42 GMT -5
One thing that AD Nate Pine has excelled at is the recruiting and selection of excellent head coaches. Every one has been outstanding thus far. I am surprised at the firing of Coach Gilmore, but I take it as evidence that Holy Cross really is serious about elevating our athletic program. This is particularly important in football, where we have a very ambitious schedule looming in the next several years. There is no time to waste. It seems to me that we now have the facilities, improved fund via the Crusader Athletics Fund and a commitment to hire the best. Things are changing! HC athletics are at an all time low. Chu please name the successfull programs adnp has given us?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 15, 2017 12:40:10 GMT -5
As a parent of someone being recruited, and after touring the IVYs and a few patriots, I can tell you that HC facilities are second to none. We are devastated with this news as HC is high on his list and we have no idea what the future holds. The school setting is outstanding and the assistant coaches are outstanding. With that said, Coach Gilmore came off a little disinterested (or just a figurehead) to all the recruits, while the assistants brought the energy. When he spoke to the kids, it almost seemed as if he didn’t want to be there. HC should not have a hard time finding a new HC given the facilities, current talent, scholarships, and location. There are some great coordinators in the ivy that can recruit, coach and understand “today’s kid.” Finding a new coach wont be challenging, but the next few months will be crazy. Thank you for this post and the observations within it. I think the observations are quite telling.
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Post by purplepassion80 on Oct 15, 2017 12:40:47 GMT -5
Impressed by the charity extended by my fellow HC supporters. Regardless of your feelings toward TG, this was a gutsy move by ADNP. I have sent a small contribution as a symbol of my gratitude for his willingness to make a bold move. I think he sent a great statement to all recruits and alumnae. Any donation at this time no matter how small I am sure would send a positive message toward NP
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Post by jkh67 on Oct 15, 2017 13:16:50 GMT -5
Impressed by the charity extended by my fellow HC supporters. Regardless of your feelings toward TG, this was a gutsy move by ADNP. I have sent a small contribution as a symbol of my gratitude for his willingness to make a bold move. I think he sent a great statement to all recruits and alumnae. Any donation at this time no matter how small I am sure would send a positive message toward NP In what way is a move that should have been made years ago "gutsy" or "bold"? Gilmore may be a marvelous human being, as many Crossports participants appear to believe. I've never met the man, so I don't know. But whether he's a nice guy or not is irrelevant. He chose college football coaching as his profession. Rule One in that profession is that you don't get to keep your job unless you produce victories on the gridiron. By foolishly renewing his contract a few years back, HC gave Gilmore more than enough rope to hang himself and Gilmore finally accomplished that feat yesterday in New Haven. I'm not one for piling on, but this is potentially the best thing that's happened to the program in the better part of a decade. Pile deserves no credit for finally facing up to the inevitable. Indeed, he deserves much criticism for beefing up the schedule while continuing to support a head coach who simply wasn't getting the job done. Thanks in no small part to inaction on his part, the next few years are going to be difficult. Very difficult. It is critically important that HC recruit the right guy as Gilmore's replacement. If Pile manages that, I'll be the first to sing his praises.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 15, 2017 13:46:48 GMT -5
As a parent of someone being recruited, and after touring the IVYs and a few patriots, I can tell you that HC facilities are second to none. We are devastated with this news as HC is high on his list and we have no idea what the future holds. The school setting is outstanding and the assistant coaches are outstanding. With that said, Coach Gilmore came off a little disinterested (or just a figurehead) to all the recruits, while the assistants brought the energy. When he spoke to the kids, it almost seemed as if he didn’t want to be there. HC should not have a hard time finding a new HC given the facilities, current talent, scholarships, and location. There are some great coordinators in the ivy that can recruit, coach and understand “today’s kid.” Finding a new coach wont be challenging, but the next few months will be crazy. Great compliments for Holy Cross. (The one in bold we don't hear too often.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 15, 2017 13:54:38 GMT -5
Pile? Hopefully just a typo
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Post by aluminati on Oct 15, 2017 14:16:28 GMT -5
As a parent of someone being recruited, and after touring the IVYs and a few patriots, I can tell you that HC facilities are second to none. We are devastated with this news as HC is high on his list and we have no idea what the future holds. The school setting is outstanding and the assistant coaches are outstanding. With that said, Coach Gilmore came off a little disinterested (or just a figurehead) to all the recruits, while the assistants brought the energy. When he spoke to the kids, it almost seemed as if he didn’t want to be there. HC should not have a hard time finding a new HC given the facilities, current talent, scholarships, and location. There are some great coordinators in the ivy that can recruit, coach and understand “today’s kid.” Finding a new coach wont be challenging, but the next few months will be crazy. Great compliments for Holy Cross. (The one in bold we don't hear too often.)
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Post by aluminati on Oct 15, 2017 14:17:46 GMT -5
It is easy to fly into and a relatively short drive. The practice field has an incredible view.
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Post by gks on Oct 15, 2017 14:26:22 GMT -5
Sorry to see Coach Gilmore go. However does seem that it was inevitable anyways.
Chesney from Assumption would be a great hire. He has put Assumption on the D2 national map and it's not a stretch to say they are the most recognized team in Worcester right now.
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Post by sader81 on Oct 15, 2017 14:30:59 GMT -5
Maybe there are better available, but Terry Malone would fit immediately. No one has a better resume, he's an HC guy, terrific person, with the contacts to build an outstanding staff. Can't go wrong with him! Hire him now and get him out on the recruiting trail asap.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 15, 2017 14:34:02 GMT -5
Pile? Hopefully just a typo Perhaps referring to his "piling on" ?
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Post by purplepassion80 on Oct 15, 2017 14:34:03 GMT -5
@ KY, yes a typo, have been too excited all day, can't even spell. Can't wait to see to see the kids play this Saturday. I have no idea if they are going to win, but I do know there is going to be some real excitement. Anyone who has a son will tell you that Vince Lombardi stuff doesn't work with these kids. It's gets heavy, like a constant drum beat. TG never understood that, or if he did, he couldn't adjust. You can call these young men soft if you want, but that is just the way it is. They need to be told they need to do better instead of being told they are not good. I know that sounds like it is right out of Disney World of Dime Store Psych, but that is just the way they are. At least that is how I find them.
I for one thought Yale and Dartmouth were very well coached. I usually do not like hiring coordinators. But I was impressed.
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