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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 12, 2016 12:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by rickii on Oct 12, 2016 12:47:51 GMT -5
SoV -
Much much thanks for this and sincere cheers to Professor Schaefer for having the guts to step up on this. It's refreshingly encouraging that such a scholar exits today at Holy Cross.
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 12, 2016 12:50:01 GMT -5
Yup. Kind of loses much of its punch with the correction printed at the top of the article indicating that administrators did not participate in the protest. With that correction, it's just David Schaffer registering his disagreement. Nothing wrong with that or the protest.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 12, 2016 14:53:59 GMT -5
Yup. Kind of loses much of its punch with the correction printed at the top of the article indicating that administrators did not participate in the protest. With that correction, it's just David Schaffer registering his disagreement. Nothing wrong with that or the protest. As originally posted with a photo of Fr Boroughs, Deans Freije & Peterson... All three attended the O'Callahan Dinner that evening and stood for the national anthem and engaged with our midshipmen, their families and alums throughout the evening. A personal note from Prof Schaffer acknowledged that his source for his erroneous assertion was a 'usually reliable' student. At half time the College recognized 75 years of NROTC on campus; Approximately 20 alums were on the field including 2 retired admirals. They were hosted by the president in his box during the game. |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 12, 2016 15:12:22 GMT -5
If the administrators were not present for the national anthem, how exactly did they take part in the "demonstration?"
A very slanted (and incorrect) headline.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 12, 2016 15:47:49 GMT -5
I would think that Prof. Schaefer would/could do better than single source an inflammatory account of an event that he was intending to describe for a national publication. If a student wrote a paper with such poor scholarship, he/she would likely receive a failing grade.
The ;usually reliable' student explanation is lame.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 12, 2016 17:23:07 GMT -5
Pretty pathetic really. And sadly most won't see the clarification.
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Post by HC1843 on Oct 12, 2016 23:43:15 GMT -5
Setting aside the corrections, his sentences drone on. He needs to be far more succinct.
Cheers.
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 13, 2016 7:48:41 GMT -5
Thank God for Professor Schaeffer
The man is brave!
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 13, 2016 8:01:00 GMT -5
When one is brave, and the good professor may well fit that category, it is important to also be correct. Using an unnamed "usually reliable" source is something I never accepted from students - even when I taught high school. That was disappointing.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 13, 2016 8:43:41 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 13, 2016 9:12:53 GMT -5
That is sad to hear.
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Post by alum on Oct 13, 2016 14:05:08 GMT -5
I was a Political Science major and had Professor Schaefer for the required Intro to Political Philosophy class. I think I earned a B but it might have been a C+. He was demanding and the workload was not light. As an overview class we moved quickly through the material. He was obviously conservative but that did not really shine in a class that covered a couple of thousand years of political thought. I respected him.
I have noticed through the years that he has become a bit grumpy about what he perceives as a liberal bias in his department and the college in general. That's fine by me. The glaring mistakes in this article, on the other hand, are really very bad and paint the college's administrators in a bad light. I am going to email him and see what he has to say.
FWIW, I am with Justice Ginsburg on refusing to stand for the anthem (and on flag burning.) It ought to be allowed, but I am not convinced that it changes the hearts and minds of anyone. I think that there are more effective ways to get the point across. One way to handle it is exactly who Father Burroughs, et al handled it. They deserve praise here.
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Post by Chu Chu on Oct 14, 2016 0:27:03 GMT -5
I left these comments after the article:
How very unfortunate that National Review published this unverified and innaccurate article, and how sad that so many readers used it as an excuse to spew their venom. This is a textbook example of sloppy journalism, consummed by reactionary and thoughtless readers. For shame.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 14, 2016 4:57:58 GMT -5
Sheesh! I was at the game; stood for the anthem as always and never noticed the protesters. I guess the crowd was just so large 😉.
While I disagree with those who take a knee or sit during the national anthem, this is a free country and that is their right to do so. I also don't think that they are "unpatriotic" when they make very clear what their motivation is for their actions. They are not against our country, they want it to be better for everyone. I just don't happen to think this is an effective way to change things. Dumb? I will leave that to a Supreme Court justice to decide.
By the way, considering that he was born in and remains a Canadian citizen, thanks Fr. Boroughs for standing for OUR national anthem.
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Post by Fr. K on Oct 14, 2016 8:17:25 GMT -5
FWIW, Fr. Boroughs has recently become an American citizen (he was born in Vancouver), and he stood for the anthem at that game. I believe he was in the president's box at that time.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 14, 2016 8:31:05 GMT -5
Thank you for the update, Fr K.
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Post by Chu Chu on Oct 14, 2016 12:42:45 GMT -5
FWIW, Fr. Boroughs has recently become an American citizen (he was born in Vancouver), and he stood for the anthem at that game. I believe he was in the president's box at that time. Nice to hear! He told me in conversation at a NW Alumni gathering that although he was born in Vancouver, BC, where he had a parent on the faculty of the University of British Columbia, Fr. Boroughs actually spent most of his growing up years in the suburbs of Seattle. It is nice to have him lose the green card and take on citizenship! |
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