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Post by rgs318 on Dec 17, 2021 8:21:40 GMT -5
#3 They are also alive. Had they not received the vaccine (and booster) that might not be the case. Getting the virus (even after being vaccinated) is not the biggest issue. Staying alive, IMHO, is. Overall, your "informed skepticism" is possibly the wisest course. Stay well.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 17, 2021 9:14:07 GMT -5
1. I am boostered. 2. I don’t trust anything anybody tells me in the news about any of this. 3. Cornell has had a ton of cases recently and almost everyone there is vaccinated and masked. 4. The official school statement says: "Virtually every case of the omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot." 5. Initial reports said that a third of the Cornell cases were among the boostered. I can’t find that type of info online anymore which suggests that either: 1) my googling skills need work, 2) I’m misremembering, 3) it’s unreliable and not being reported at that level of detail, or 4) somebody doesn’t want it out there that a lot of boostered people are still testing positive. This is the original report I read (my underline): (CNN) Cornell University reported 903 cases of Covid-19 among students between December 7-13, and a "very high percentage" of them are Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated individuals, according to university officials. The school's Covid-19 dashboard was updated late Tuesday afternoon, accounting for the jump in case numbers reported. "Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot," said Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina in a statement. As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students. Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 99%."While I want to provide reassurance that, to date, we have not seen severe illness in any of our infected students, we do have a role to play in reducing the spread of the disease in the broader community," Pollack said.
(I don't know if the Covid vaccines have ever stopped infection and spread - more of a prevention of the most dire outcomes. So, Cornell's experience might be expected give the attributes of the new variant. One assumes the college age kids [who are not at risk] will continue to be vaxxed, vaxxed, boostered, masked, restricted, isolated ...)
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 17, 2021 9:50:49 GMT -5
By all accounts, Omicron is more transmissible than Delta or other variants. That's almost universally accepted.
Most accounts, though not with 100% certainty yet, is that it is less severe than Delta especially among the vaccinated/boosted, but even they can catch it and spread it.
The unvaccinated can obviously catch it and spread it and, if they have underlying health issues, even if less lethal than other variants, going unvaccinated is playing with fire.
Being vaccinated/boosted/over 70/diabetic, I'm still going to play it safe and generally stay masked in public places and non-home cooked meals will mostly be take out with some minor exceptions.
Having 42 years of past experience in insurance, I am risk averse and look for ways to avoid risk and, failing that, to mitigate risk since I can't transfer this risk or eliminate the risk. While I am a "belt & suspenders" kind of guy, I understand others having different acceptance of risk than myself. My hope, however, is that everyone makes informed choices.
From the NY Times, some interesting math below:
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Post by timholycross on Dec 17, 2021 10:06:45 GMT -5
"Some basic arithmetic makes the point: Imagine that the risk of death is 30 percent lower from an Omicron case than a Delta case — but that Omicron leads to a tenfold increase in cases. This combination would lead to a substantial increase in deaths. “It’s bad number times a decent number, and you end up with a bad number,” Wachter said."
Or 100 times close-to-nothing is close-to-nothing. One of the two.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 17, 2021 10:24:05 GMT -5
Fine, tim, don't wear a belt or suspenders!
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 17, 2021 11:18:32 GMT -5
"Some basic arithmetic makes the point: Imagine that the risk of death is 30 percent lower from an Omicron case than a Delta case — but that Omicron leads to a tenfold increase in cases. This combination would lead to a substantial increase in deaths. “It’s bad number times a decent number, and you end up with a bad number,” Wachter said." Or 100 times close-to-nothing is close-to-nothing. One of the two. I'm going with "you end up with a bad number" but, whichever you prefer. My cousin, fifty-ish caught Covid last Easter, a week before she was age eligible for the vaccine. Never hospitalized but still significant issues with taste and smell in December. That's a bad outcome from a case that didn't strain the health care system.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 17, 2021 11:49:09 GMT -5
And my 37 year old HC alum nephew living in Denmark with his Danish wife and 3 young sons was about to come back to the U.S. for the holidays but tested positive for Covid along with his oldest son who will be 9 on Christmas Day. Not sure which Covid variant it is but saw that Denmark cases of Omicron have exploded. Nephew "fully vaccinated" (not sure that means boosted as well) and son got first shot. Leads me to believe omicron.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 17, 2021 12:44:56 GMT -5
I think there is a lot of misinterpretation of numbers in this matter and in most others. A lot of people just don't understand numbers, of course, while others intentionally misinterpret them to support their narrative. In the case of covid, I think we don't always get all the facts. Here's an example of how so many news people just don't handle the data correctly: we hear a report that "82% of the people in the hospital with XYZ disease are right-handed" and the news person says that "we have found that right-handers are more susceptible to XYZ disease". Well, in fact, the opposite may be true as 90% of people are right-handed so it looks like they may be actually less prone to XYZ disease. As well, in addition to those in the hospital there may also be right-handers or left-handers with XYZ who are not in the hospital. So the news person did not have all the numbers, misinterpreted those he/she had, and then drew the wrong conclusion
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 17, 2021 12:51:24 GMT -5
I'll throw another wrinkle in. I am skeptical about Omicron being less severe than Delta when all is said (a lot) and done (not much). That doesn't jive with me although I hope it's true.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 17, 2021 13:00:39 GMT -5
jibe?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 17, 2021 13:34:40 GMT -5
That, too. But I also have a lot of rythym.😊
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Post by matunuck on Dec 17, 2021 20:27:22 GMT -5
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 18, 2021 13:41:28 GMT -5
It’s starting already…. In-person learning for college students this spring is quite precarious to say the least. It would be nice if HC and other schools were more transparent about these decisions before student and parents are required to commit financially to anything less than in-person learning during the spring semester:
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Post by gks on Dec 18, 2021 13:51:59 GMT -5
It’s starting already…. In-person learning for college students this spring is quite precarious to say the least. It would be nice if HC and other schools were more transparent about these decisions before student and parents are required to commit financially to anything less than in-person learning during the spring semester: Many colleges in the Northeast are ridiculous. This is to do nothing but pat themselves on the back at next week's Harvard Christmas party.
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 18, 2021 13:58:01 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS: COVID is here to stay and will never be eradicated by anything we as a society try to do in the meantime, whether it’s vaccines, masks, lockdowns, etc. It’s time to move on, folks…
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 14:21:01 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS: COVID is here to stay and will never be eradicated by anything we as a society try to do in the meantime, whether it’s vaccines, masks, lockdowns, etc. It’s time to move on, folks… Tell that to the health care workers who are getting burnt out from the red hat wearing morons who only care about themselves. Hopefully Christmas brings you & family some compassion for your fellow man.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 18, 2021 15:47:10 GMT -5
It’s starting already…. In-person learning for college students this spring is quite precarious to say the least. It would be nice if HC and other schools were more transparent about these decisions before student and parents are required to commit financially to anything less than in-person learning during the spring semester: Harvard spring semester starts on January 24th. Same day as Holy Cross. Only 'course' offered at Harvard in the first three weeks of January is a short winter-session, which lasts nine days. 'Courses' are free. Pickleball is a wintersession offering. calendar.college.harvard.edu/wintersessionThis is a wintersession 'course' at Harvard. Bartending was a popular 'course'.in the past. Perhaps it is still offered.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 18, 2021 17:16:44 GMT -5
Harvard outreach to the common man! Good for them.
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Post by matunuck on Dec 18, 2021 17:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Dec 18, 2021 21:58:09 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS: COVID is here to stay and will never be eradicated by anything we as a society try to do in the meantime, whether it’s vaccines, masks, lockdowns, etc. It’s time to move on, folks… Tell that to the health care workers who are getting burnt out from the red hat wearing morons who only care about themselves. Hopefully Christmas brings you & family some compassion for your fellow man. The Cornell kids do wear red (hats and otherwise) but I don’t necessarily blame them for burnt out health care workers: (CNN) Cornell University reported 903 cases of Covid-19 among students between December 7-13, and a "very high percentage" of them are Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated individuals, according to university officials.
The school's Covid-19 dashboard was updated late Tuesday afternoon, accounting for the jump in case numbers reported. "Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot," said Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina in a statement. As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students.
Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 99%."While I want to provide reassurance that, to date, we have not seen severe illness in any of our infected students…Some folks blame the Chinese government for the virus rather than citizens (Cornell students and otherwise) around the globe. In any case, best guess amongst the ‘experts’ seems to be that the virus will be around and worldwide for quite a while.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 18, 2021 22:26:02 GMT -5
It’s starting already…. In-person learning for college students this spring is quite precarious to say the least. It would be nice if HC and other schools were more transparent about these decisions before student and parents are required to commit financially to anything less than in-person learning during the spring semester: Many colleges in the Northeast are ridiculous. This is to do nothing but pat themselves on the back at next week's Harvard Christmas party. LOL. The same peculiar Covid-derived ‘arguments’ that applied last year (‘err on the safe side’ and ‘you never know’ and ‘do it for grandpa’) while closing campuses to the not at risk could also be used now. In fact, they can be whipped out for almost any Covid-related restriction on the not at risk folks (college-aged and far-fetched and otherwise). To the extent it matters to the gesturing college presidents, evidence that closing campuses to the not at risk last year actually saved lives has been slow to emerge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 23:24:24 GMT -5
Many colleges in the Northeast are ridiculous. This is to do nothing but pat themselves on the back at next week's Harvard Christmas party. LOL. The same peculiar Covid-derived ‘arguments’ that applied last year (‘err on the safe side’ and ‘you never know’ and ‘do it for grandpa’) while closing campuses to the not at risk could also be used now. In fact, they can be whipped out for almost any Covid-related restriction on the not at risk folks (college-aged and far-fetched and otherwise). To the extent it matters to the gesturing college presidents, evidence that closing campuses to the not at risk last year actually saved lives has been slow to emerge. OK How about all those pick - up trucks with blue flags flown in the bed of those trucks. Colts hang on
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Post by hcpride on Dec 19, 2021 9:05:17 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Dec 19, 2021 15:35:47 GMT -5
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