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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2021 18:55:56 GMT -5
We will have tremendous receivers in the Fall....let's hold off on disparaging the O until we see it....I hear ya', the spread O is more fun to watch than "3 yards and a cloud of dust" but I doubt we are losing (or not adding) many fans ovah the offense we run. It's ultimately about winning....if we can continue the upward trajectory into beating the occasional FBS school, win playoff games etc... we'll get noticed and gain (or regain) fans. Know you’ve been busy coaching up that JV tennis team of yeahs, but whaddya think of Coach Ray Bans there HC87? I know yet not sayin he can’t coach but are yuh sayin he can coach? |
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Post by hc87 on Jun 6, 2021 19:11:46 GMT -5
I'll have you know it's varsity tennis my good man.....and why are you being such a douche here?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 6, 2021 19:42:14 GMT -5
Ok great congrats on the promotion and sorry, must have been confused about not wanting to hire Chesney and then calling him Coach Ray Bans...must have been another postal.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 6, 2021 20:21:07 GMT -5
Ok great congrats on the promotion and sorry, must have been confused about not wanting to hire Chesney and then calling him Coach Ray Bans...must have been another postal. HC87 is a friend and classmate of Lee Hull, who was one of the final candidates for the position. Understandable that he would have been pulling for him to get what was likely his dream job and was disappointed for his buddy when Chesney got the position. Ever since posting "Lee Hull done dirty" in the weeks following the hire, I haven't seen 87 say anything about Chesney that is/was either negative or unfair. Although, for the next couple months after the hire, anytime another HC head coaching position opened, he would ask in good humah, "Why don't we just get the guy from Assumption?" |
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Post by Tom on Jun 6, 2021 20:35:39 GMT -5
Right now this sounds like a guess. I haven't seen a formal policy announcement. It sounds like a logical guess as the school tries to go more big time That being said, if this comes to be, I know that some of the people I tailgate with will not see the second half of a game this year. Selling alcohol at Hart or Fitton won't really affect me and I don't have a strong opinion about it. Adding a no return policy from the baseball field (there is already one at Hart), I think is a mistake that will ultimately result in fewer fannies in the seats Again, please name another Div I school in the country where folks are free to come and go from the stadium at their leisure. I cannot, of course I haven't been to many stadiums For what it's worth, I don't think folks are quite free to come and go as they please at HC either. I have no idea if you can re-enter Fitton after more than a couple of minutes into the 3rd quarter - I think it unlikely that HC is the only FCS school in the country that has this policy - I am merely predicting that IF the new alcohol policy comes with a new half time policy, there will be some people that won't go back in, resulting in fewer fans in the stand in the second half. We can all agree that anyone who makes that decision is wrong and everyone should watch the whole second half. Unfortunately not everyone makes the decisions I think they should. No matter how much I wish everyone should watch the whole second half, my wishing won't make it so. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 7, 2021 11:30:26 GMT -5
I do have a question regarding the no reentry policy.
Since those who have tailgated in the baseball field, would have only been in the stadium for less than two hours at halftime, what is the rationale for returning to the parking lot again? Seems as if most would have filled up with food and drink before the game. Ordinarily during the course of a daily regimen, one does not have lunch, then less than two hours later, have another lunch or snacks. If you do need food, snacks, beverages, (the exception being for those who only drink Coca Cola products), they are available inside the gates.
Outside of medical reasons, for example, a diabetic, who must return to their car for a medical reason for specific nourishment or medicine that is being kept at a low temperature, why is it necessary to go back to the baseball field?
For those that do have a medical reason, I have found that Facilities Management and the Security personnel have been accommodating when you provide the information beforehand.
So again, why is it necessary to return to the baseball field at halftime? After the game, there is usually 90 minutes or so to continue to socialize. I have not seen anyone forced to leave either the baseball field or the parking garage after the conclusion of play, except due to darkness or the weather.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2021 13:36:06 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised that HC will be hiring a contractor to serve alcoholic beverages. Wouldn't the food service professionals employed by the colleges enjoy "stretching" and expanding their skills to add to the institutional food service routine? I'd love to see the new alcohol offerings be paired with upgraded food offerings by challenging the creativity of HC food service leadership. Students dining at Kimball on Saturday night could get a treat by being offered any leftovers that a contractor might have to throw out. When complaints rolled in about the snack bar at the Hart Center it turned out it had been contracted out to a local Papa Gino's franchisee as I recall. The college lost the opportunity to use the professional pride of HC food service leadership and subtle peer pressure among departments to ensure a quality food product and service was offered. HC used in-house personnel to conduct the search for a new men's hockey head coach. They not only saved the fee of a search firm but there are people now working at Holy Cross who have a personal stake in this hiring. You can't buy that no matter how much you pay a contractor. There must be a good amount of pride in Holy Cross and in their own professional performance among HC employees. Why not harness that to improve quality and have the profit margin from stadium/arena food and beverage service go fully to HC instead of splitting it with a contractor? Limits the liability of the college. The college's insurance policy may also have riders that would come into play. Are you saying that HC would have to buy more insurance because they have deeper pockets to protect than most contractors and that insurance premium would be more than the net cut the contractor takes? |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 7, 2021 14:10:58 GMT -5
I don't write insurance policies as a sideline, but I am certain that HC already has coverage for alcohol served at a HC-hosted event, e,g., reunions. I suspect there is a rider that addresses the size and type of events currently covered under the policy. And that the rider does not presently cover serving alcohol at sporting events with thousands in attendance, many of whom will be lining up regularly until their limit is reached. Let the dining staff ladies handle the food concessions; leave the bartending to those with experience serving boisterous youth.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 7, 2021 14:12:13 GMT -5
i have no direct insight into the contract and the license for the serving of alcohol at HC venues. That being said, there is a possibility that with a vendor, the liability could be exclusively with the vendor, with HC possibly assuming some or none of the risk.
There are lawyers and insurance claim and P&C risk managers that may have more insight regarding liquor liability contracts between non profit institutions and outside vendors who are responsible for the sale and distribution of alcohol on private property in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2021 14:24:49 GMT -5
Both above comments make sense. Hopefully the alcohol servers will be TIPS certified which is what I think bartenders need and not people picked up at the day labor pool that morning. But when you contract out you lose that direct control to make sure.
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Post by Tom on Jun 7, 2021 15:27:12 GMT -5
Hogan has a pouring license. Anything else is probably just a special 24 hour license like the ones needed for special parties in dorm social rooms after the days of dorm bars.
There is no license for Fitton, and I bet that if they're using an outside vendor, that person will be responsible for the license
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 7, 2021 16:13:49 GMT -5
i have no direct insight into the contract and the license for the serving of alcohol at HC venues. That being said, there is a possibility that with a vendor, the liability could be exclusively with the vendor, with HC possibly assuming some or none of the risk. There are lawyers and insurance claim and P&C risk managers that may have more insight regarding liquor liability contracts between non profit institutions and outside vendors who are responsible for the sale and distribution of alcohol on private property in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I suspect HC's general counsel is heavily involved in how this process is being set up. I'm also sure that HC's liability insurance company is weighing in. It's wise to have alcohol sales handled by a contractor, but it isn't a complete shield from liability. If someone has a few too many drinks at a football game and then hurts someone on 290 on the way home you can be sure that HC will be one of the named defendants no matter what they do. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 7, 2021 16:29:16 GMT -5
Both above comments make sense. Hopefully the alcohol servers will be TIPS certified which is what I think bartenders need and not people picked up at the day labor pool that morning. But when you contract out you lose that direct control to make sure. Here is an excerpt from the announcement on Go Holy Cross.com “For home football games at Fitton Field, beginning with the home opener against Merrimack on Sept. 11, sales will start when gates open 90 minutes prior to kickoff and conclude with eight minutes remaining in the third quarter. Alcohol sales during basketball games inside the Hart Center will conclude after the first media timeout of the second half, and sales at men's hockey will end following the second intermission. Fans of legal drinking age with valid ID will be able to purchase one alcoholic beverage per person per transaction in accordance with City of Worcester regulations, with a maximum of three alcoholic beverages per person per game. A wristband system will be implemented to monitor drink limits, and alcohol will be sold exclusively by TIPS-certified bartenders.” |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 7, 2021 16:48:39 GMT -5
Hmm, facts
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2021 16:54:27 GMT -5
Both above comments make sense. Hopefully the alcohol servers will be TIPS certified which is what I think bartenders need and not people picked up at the day labor pool that morning. But when you contract out you lose that direct control to make sure. Here is an excerpt from the announcement on Go Holy Cross.com “For home football games at Fitton Field, beginning with the home opener against Merrimack on Sept. 11, sales will start when gates open 90 minutes prior to kickoff and conclude with eight minutes remaining in the third quarter. Alcohol sales during basketball games inside the Hart Center will conclude after the first media timeout of the second half, and sales at men's hockey will end following the second intermission. Fans of legal drinking age with valid ID will be able to purchase one alcoholic beverage per person per transaction in accordance with City of Worcester regulations, with a maximum of three alcoholic beverages per person per game. A wristband system will be implemented to monitor drink limits, and alcohol will be sold exclusively by TIPS-certified bartenders.”Where's Mommy? She's in line getting Daddy his sixth beer. Eat your hot dog and watch the shotgun snap running play develop.😋 Just kidding around. Seems like a thoughtful well planned approach. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 7, 2021 17:25:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately, in some cases may be close to accurate.
I’ll never forget a couple of years ago sitting at a baseball game, and the family was sitting in front of us. Each parent had a beer, and the three little kids had their treats. After a couple of innings, one of the kids was looking to have a sip of beer from their parents. Shortly after, before we had reached the 5th inning, the family left the game.
It was sad, and I thought the parents was setting a poor example for their kids. You would have thought that maybe, just maybe, they could take their kids to a sporting event, without the need for them to have an alcoholic beverage.
Along with TIPS Certified bartenders, there should have a friends of “Bill W” meeting for those who will need it for counsel before the game. Having an alcohol free venue at Fitton and Hart provides a safe haven for some who do have a reason to avoid venues and sporting events that serve beer, wine and spirits.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2021 17:35:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately, in some cases may be close to accurate. I’ll never forget a couple of years ago sitting at a baseball game, and the family was sitting in front of us. Each parent had a beer, and the three little kids had their treats. After a couple of innings, one of the kids was looking to have a sip of beer from their parents. Shortly after, before we had reached the 5th inning, the family left the game. It was sad, and I thought the parents was setting a poor example for their kids. You would have thought that maybe, just maybe, they could take their kids to a sporting event, without the need for them to have an alcoholic beverage. Along with TIPS Certified bartenders, there should have a friends of “Bill W” meeting for those who will need it for counsel before the game. Having an alcohol free venue at Fitton and Hart provides a safe haven for some who do have a reason to avoid venues and sporting events that serve beer, wine and spirits. That is a good idea, as well as an alcohol free seating section. |
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 8, 2021 6:24:11 GMT -5
Here is an excerpt from the announcement on Go Holy Cross.com “For home football games at Fitton Field, beginning with the home opener against Merrimack on Sept. 11, sales will start when gates open 90 minutes prior to kickoff and conclude with eight minutes remaining in the third quarter. Alcohol sales during basketball games inside the Hart Center will conclude after the first media timeout of the second half, and sales at men's hockey will end following the second intermission. Fans of legal drinking age with valid ID will be able to purchase one alcoholic beverage per person per transaction in accordance with City of Worcester regulations, with a maximum of three alcoholic beverages per person per game. A wristband system will be implemented to monitor drink limits, and alcohol will be sold exclusively by TIPS-certified bartenders.” Eat your hot dog and watch the shotgun snap running play develop.😋 Just kidding around. Seems like a thoughtful well planned approach. Are FCS rules different? BC's limit... "Two drink maximum per identification, per transaction."...seems unlimited but easier to enforce |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 8, 2021 7:19:55 GMT -5
Where's Mommy? She's in line getting Daddy his sixth beer. Eat your hot dog and watch the shotgun snap running play develop.😋 Just kidding around. Seems like a thoughtful well planned approach. Are FCS rules different? BC's limit... "Two drink maximum per identification, per transaction."...seems unlimited but easier to enforce Holy Cross is enforcing a 3-drink max per person. One drink per transaction. |
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Post by hcpride on Jun 8, 2021 11:23:50 GMT -5
Where's Mommy? She's in line getting Daddy his sixth beer. Eat your hot dog and watch the shotgun snap running play develop.😋 Just kidding around. Seems like a thoughtful well planned approach. Are FCS rules different? BC's limit... "Two drink maximum per identification, per transaction."...seems unlimited but easier to enforce That’s Stony Brook’s rule also (2 per transaction and you get a wristband). Haven’t seen any increase in drunken fans there (actually things are low key at their games...of course this is NY where beer is sold everywhere in any case). |
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Post by HC92 on Jun 8, 2021 11:46:49 GMT -5
I know the concept of dollars spent per customer is a metric that the Disney Parks (and probably many other businesses) monitor and are always trying to increase. At a minimum, selling $8-$10 beers would seem likely to increase revenue per customer not only because of the drinks but the potential that the drinker will be in the stadium longer and may be more likely to make other discretionary purchases.
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