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Post by hchoops on Jun 9, 2021 16:10:56 GMT -5
Thanks, Breezy
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 9, 2021 17:33:38 GMT -5
Ralph was not already in the HoF? I assume as coach, not player, but still, what took so long?
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Post by hchoops on Jun 11, 2021 11:42:59 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jun 17, 2021 12:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jun 17, 2021 12:31:34 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jun 17, 2021 12:39:00 GMT -5
There used to be a nice dinner associated with the induction that was open to anyone who wanted to go and pay. With a mostly return to normalcy, I hope they do something like that again
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Post by hchoops on Jun 17, 2021 12:51:36 GMT -5
Jave had 599 assists Quiz 1- Who is the one definite who also has over 1000 and 500 ? 2- Who is the one who probably also had 1000-500 ? 3- Who is the one who possibly had 1000-500 ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 17, 2021 13:07:59 GMT -5
Are you suggesting the HC graphic is incorrect, hoops?
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Post by Tom on Jun 17, 2021 13:31:44 GMT -5
the questions that seemed to contradict the tweet made me look
Jave is second on the all time assist leaders behind Glen Williams. Roger Breslin is 3rd at 475
Glen Williams scored 638 points. Thus, according to official NCAA stats, Jave is the only HC player ever with 1000 points and 500 assists.
Hoops might have bene watching a lot of game film and dug up more data. Assists were not an official stat in the 40's. Not a total stretch to guess that Cousy might have dished out 500 assists in his time at HC.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 17, 2021 13:51:07 GMT -5
1 Cooz is indeed the answer to the first query 2 ? 3-? Both are my guesses
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Post by Tom on Jun 17, 2021 14:42:38 GMT -5
Obviously someone before assists were recorded as a stat. Likely someone who sometimes passed the ball so not a Palazzi or Heinsohn Seriously though, more likely someone who played four years (as opposed to the no freshmen era) making it hard for the Blaneys of the world. I'll take a stab at Kaftan with no clue how often he passed the ball. There aren't too many 1000 point scorers who played four years before the assist became a recorded stat
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Post by possum on Jun 17, 2021 14:46:10 GMT -5
How about Wendelken and Blaney
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Post by hchoops on Jun 17, 2021 17:16:36 GMT -5
I agree that Wendy is a possible number 3. Joe Kelly was the primary point guard for Wendy’s first two years. Wendy was the primary scorer-distributor his senior year. It is possible he had 500 assists in 3 years. Your Blaney guess is also possible. I had a teammate of his in mind.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 17, 2021 17:35:21 GMT -5
Shea?
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Post by hchoops on Jun 17, 2021 17:44:09 GMT -5
Yes, Tim Shea had the ball a bit more than George. He may have had 500 assists in 3 years.
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Post by possum on Jun 17, 2021 20:40:04 GMT -5
Of the 4 year players Burrell and Thomas must be close if they didn't make it.
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Post by possum on Jun 17, 2021 20:45:18 GMT -5
Tough for the 3 year players to get 500 assists only played 75-80 games in their career would have to average almost 7 assists a game.
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Post by Tom on Jun 18, 2021 7:58:01 GMT -5
Of the 4 year players Burrell and Thomas must be close if they didn't make it. Both in the 400's and big assist guys. Based on that, it's hard to imagine a three year guy getting 500 Mindful this is all guess work. Even Cousy who was listed as "definite" is a guess, although a darn good one. Only way to know for sure on any of these guys is to watch game film and count assists
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Post by hchoops on Jun 18, 2021 8:03:54 GMT -5
Jave had 510 assists his final three seasons on teams that averaged 63 ppg twice and 70 ppg once
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Post by Tom on Jun 18, 2021 8:55:16 GMT -5
Jave had 510 assists his final three seasons on teams that averaged 63 ppg twice and 70 ppg once Those 3 seasons encompassed 92 games. Tim Shea played in 75 games. Not impossible, but especially with the shorter season in the pre-assist era, I think it unlikely anyone got to 500 assists in 3 years back in those days. Of course, there is no way to prove or disprove either theory and your guess is as good as mine. That's what makes these message boards tick
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Post by hchoops on Jun 18, 2021 10:29:57 GMT -5
I am biased since I got to know Tim long after we both graduated. In the 40+ league he was by far the fiercest compettor
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