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Post by purplehaze on Sept 27, 2021 12:02:52 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 27, 2021 13:12:58 GMT -5
I listened and find little value in this somewhat comical story. Sadly, this is not unusual for CNN. es, there are more women going to college than men. There are m ore women than men in the US. There are numerous programs to encourage and to help qualified women to get college degrees. Why is this surprising?
So males without college degrees will not find "mates" and then become "the most dangerous group in the country." Really? I find that baseless on the face of it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 27, 2021 13:35:46 GMT -5
I think more males than females (cannot cite a study but I'll bet there is one) go into highly paid building trades careers --plumbers. electricians, HVAC, welders, carpenters, etc. They end up with more enjoyable and better-compensated careers than some males who opt for college,
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 27, 2021 14:01:19 GMT -5
Better compensated because of unions and a lengthy building trades apprentice program.
Often these programs still resemble a very stratified group based on ethnic origin. Until recently these may be stereotypes, but with a history of family relationships passing down job referrals within their immediate social circle. For example Iron workers, masons, drywall installation etc. Walking into a union hall and applying to become an apprentice to become a journeyman is not an easy process unless your father or uncle is sponsoring you. Very rare to see a father or uncle encouraging their daughter or niece.
There are many sides to this picture like an octagon, but most only see the side they are facing based on their perspective.
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Post by Tom on Sept 27, 2021 15:32:31 GMT -5
Better compensated because of unions and a lengthy building trades apprentice program. Often these programs still resemble a very stratified group based on ethnic origin. Until recently these may be stereotypes, but with a history of family relationships passing down job referrals within their immediate social circle. For example Iron workers, masons, drywall installation etc. Walking into a union hall and applying to become an apprentice to become a journeyman is not an easy process unless your father or uncle is sponsoring you. Very rare to see a father or uncle encouraging their daughter or niece. There are many sides to this picture like an octagon, but most only see the side they are facing based on their perspective. Kind of an outdated paradigm. . Back in the day. you basically did not get work out of the old fashioned union hall unless you knew someone. And you are very correct these are still very male dominated fields. I can't speak for other parts of the country, but around here fewer kids are getting into the traditional trades at the vocational school than in my generation. Supply and demand has kicked in and kids with zero connections are getting good jobs in things like electrical, plumbing, and HVAC right out of trade school
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 27, 2021 16:00:14 GMT -5
These are very experienced and talented people. I've wired light fixtures and other items in multiple houses. A few years ago I bought several new ceiling fans and bathroom light fixtures. I opened the box to one of the ceiling fans and saw all the parts and what a daunting task I had before me. I ended up calling the electrician. The guy arrived and I told him what needed to be done. He got started, and in the time that it would have taken me to get the parts laid out and read the instructions (and I'm a Jesuit educated man) he had the first ceiling fan installed and had moved on to the second. What a pleasure it is to see professionals at work.
If your furnace fails on a cold February night are you going to look in the Princeton Alumni directory--no, you want the best HVAC technician in town asap. We need more sharp men and women in the trades.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 27, 2021 16:30:55 GMT -5
Better compensated because of unions and a lengthy building trades apprentice program. Often these programs still resemble a very stratified group based on ethnic origin. Until recently these may be stereotypes, but with a history of family relationships passing down job referrals within their immediate social circle. For example Iron workers, masons, drywall installation etc. Walking into a union hall and applying to become an apprentice to become a journeyman is not an easy process unless your father or uncle is sponsoring you. Very rare to see a father or uncle encouraging their daughter or niece. There are many sides to this picture like an octagon, but most only see the side they are facing based on their perspective. Kind of an outdated paradigm. . Back in the day. you basically did not get work out of the old fashioned union hall unless you knew someone. And you are very correct these are still very male dominated fields. I can't speak for other parts of the country, but around here fewer kids are getting into the traditional trades at the vocational school than in my generation. Supply and demand has kicked in and kids with zero connections are getting good jobs in things like electrical, plumbing, and HVAC right out of trade school That's a good point. If you attend a vocational technical HS, you don't need family connections to get into a trade. Your diploma is your ticket.
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Post by Tom on Sept 27, 2021 16:58:37 GMT -5
My observations are greatly slanted by where I live. MA has a very god vocational high school system, The NH doesn't really have that system at all
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 27, 2021 17:42:34 GMT -5
Male percentage of the undergraduate population at five schools in DC American 37% Georgetown 44% George Washington 38% Howard 29% Catholic Univ 45% ---------- Decided to look at two universities in Metro DC area University of Maryland, College Park 52% George Mason 50%
Wondered whether the nearly equal M:F ratio also existed at prestigious public universities in Virginia. (There are no prestigious public university counterparts in MD to UMd @ College Park) William & Mary 42% University of Virginia 45%
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 27, 2021 19:19:22 GMT -5
Male percentage of the undergraduate population at five schools in DCAmerican 37% Georgetown 44% George Washington 38% Howard 29% Catholic Univ 45% ---------- Decided to look at two universities in Metro DC area University of Maryland, College Park 52% George Mason 50% Wondered whether the nearly equal M:F ratio also existed at prestigious public universities in Virginia. (There are no prestigious public university counterparts in MD to UMd @ College Park) William & Mary 42% University of Virginia 45% The male undergrads at Howard are having a field day. The overweighting of women in college is interesting, but is it a problem? Males are equally welcome to attend college. I hope there is no multi billion dollar government initiative to change the ratio by a few points.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 28, 2021 5:48:20 GMT -5
Male percentage of the undergraduate population at five schools in DCAmerican 37% Georgetown 44% George Washington 38% Howard 29% Catholic Univ 45% ---------- Decided to look at two universities in Metro DC area University of Maryland, College Park 52% George Mason 50% Wondered whether the nearly equal M:F ratio also existed at prestigious public universities in Virginia. (There are no prestigious public university counterparts in MD to UMd @ College Park) William & Mary 42% University of Virginia 45% The male undergrads at Howard are having a field day. The overweighting of women in college is interesting, but is it a problem? Males are equally welcome to attend college. I hope there is no multi billion dollar government initiative to change the ratio by a few points. Such would be trying to swim against the tide. Tables with levels of attainment by gender by European country can be found here. ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Educational_attainment_statistics#Level_of_educational_attainment_by_sexThe phenomenon, and it is a post WWII phenomenon, appears to be that as females become more educated, the female children of educated females become more educated compared to male offspring.
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Post by matunuck on Sept 28, 2021 6:07:42 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 28, 2021 12:07:27 GMT -5
As usual, phreek has honed in on the nugget of truth. Is it a problem? For many, many years, the ratio has been skewed in exactly the opposite direction. IMO, this is only a problem if you do not believe in equal opportunity for women.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 28, 2021 12:21:31 GMT -5
not to be pedantic, but it is "homed in on"
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 29, 2021 11:40:54 GMT -5
not to be pedantic, but it is "homed in on" Well, KY, you have stumbled upon an interesting topic! I offer this in my defense: grammarist.com/eggcorns/home-in-hone-in/Home in vs. hone in Home in means to direct on a target. The phrasal verb derives from the 19th-century use of homing pigeons, but it resurged in the 20th century to refer to missiles that home in on their targets. It’s also commonly used metaphorically, where to home in on something is to focus on and make progress toward it. Hone in began as an alteration of home in, and many people regard it as an error. It is a very common, though, especially in the U.S. and Canada—so common that many dictionaries now list it—and there are arguments in its favor. Hone means to sharpen or to perfect, and we can think of homing in as a sharpening of focus or a perfecting of one’s trajectory toward a target. So while it might not make strict logical sense, extending hone this way is not a huge leap. Outside North America, home in prevails by a huge margin. It also prevails in North America, but only by a ratio of about two to one. Hone in is common even in technical, scientific, and military contexts, where one might expect home in to prevail. A few American and Canadian publishers clearly favor home in as a matter of policy, but most apparently have no strictly enforced policy one way or the other.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 29, 2021 11:46:57 GMT -5
I always substitute “sharpen” for “hone” to see if the usage sounds right
English is such a great language-so many more words than other languages
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 29, 2021 15:19:55 GMT -5
I always substitute “sharpen” for “hone” to see if the usage sounds right English is such a great language-so many more words than other languages Ya.
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