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Post by timholycross on Nov 7, 2021 20:32:22 GMT -5
Nice to know our state U has 937K around to pay Bell what he's owed.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 7, 2021 20:56:29 GMT -5
Coach Chesney isn't taking his ray-bans down the Mass Pike west 40 miles imo...not to say that some other opportunity may present itself this year or soon.
His next stop, FBS head coach or coordinator, is going to have to be a very good situation (financially, institutionally, socially, geographically etc) for him and his family to leave what he has established at HC/Worcester. He has set HC football as the "gold standard" in an admittedly weak PL, brought excitement through PL titles, FBS wins, solid OOC wins etc etc.
I just don't see him leaving the culture he has created (and still creating) at HC to take a job at a place like UMass, UConn or many other FBS schools of their ilk i.e.places with a very shaky football future moving forward.
Hate to say it, but his next most logical step, given his career so far is probably a position at BC (D coordinator? special teams coach?).
Let's just beat Fordham Saturday first and speculate on this down the road.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 21:00:12 GMT -5
Nice to know our state U has 937K around to pay Bell what he's owed. Keep Nelson for his full contract and pay Chesney. It's hard to imagine HC getting it's money's worth by hiring a new coach to run off Nelson's recruits and start over again with his own. We have four basketball lifers on the staff together for the third year with their own recruits. Let's improve with our guys and close the $winging door until the end of the contract at least.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 7, 2021 21:00:44 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. I disagree with the notion that he owes HC anything, but the purple-tinted glasses are out in full force here. Chesney’s biggest accomplishment in his coaching career is winning the Patriot League, and he does not bring expertise on either side of the ball. He had done a nice job so far at HC, but any 1-A school who is not attracting a superior candidate profile is in a world of trouble.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 7, 2021 21:10:26 GMT -5
Nice to know our state U has 937K around to pay Bell what he's owed Keep Nelson for his full contract and pay Chesney. It's hard to imagine HC getting it's money's worth by hiring a new coach to run off Nelson's recruits and start over again with his own. We have four basketball lifers on the staff together for the third year with their own recruits. Let's improve with our guys and close the $winging door until the end of the contract at least. OR, we could simply support Coach Nelson and his players as he earns his salary. The only place I see this discussion of his termination is here on Crossports among people who claim to be fans of Holy Cross. I believe he will not be terminated and that his results will improved and earn him a new contract...but that may just be my fantasy as an HC fan. To hear about paying two coaches and some newcomer possibly "running off" Coach Chesney's recruits sounds to me like something to be discussed in a psych class as a case study of deranged behavior.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 7, 2021 21:24:25 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. I disagree with the notion that he owes HC anything, but the purple-tinted glasses are out in full force here. Chesney’s biggest accomplishment in his coaching career is winning the Patriot League, and he does not bring expertise on either side of the ball. He had done a nice job so far at HC, but any 1-A school who is not attracting a superior candidate profile is in a world of trouble. Coach Chesney has significantly improved the program at all three colleges where he has been the head coach. Please don't damn him with faint praise, as in "a nice job so far". The guy is an exceptional football coach.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 7, 2021 21:24:29 GMT -5
Keep Nelson for his full contract and pay Chesney. It's hard to imagine HC getting it's money's worth by hiring a new coach to run off Nelson's recruits and start over again with his own. We have four basketball lifers on the staff together for the third year with their own recruits. Let's improve with our guys and close the $winging door until the end of the contract at least. OR, we could simply support Coach Nelson and his players as he earns his salary. The only place I see this discussion of his termination is here on Crossports among people who claim to be fans of Holy Cross. I believe he will not be terminated and that his results will improved and earn him a new contract...but that may just b e my fantasy as an HC fan. To hear about paying two coaches and some newcomer possibly "running off" Coach Chesney's recruits sounds to me like something to be discussed in a psych class as a case study of deranged behavior. I agree. If you have Coach Nelson and all three Assistants all being in college basketball for their careers and working year round with their own recruits, who in the world (besides little Ricky🙂) is going to come in and do better? If this coaching team can't win in a full cycle, then make a change.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 7, 2021 21:28:02 GMT -5
I disagree with the notion that he owes HC anything, but the purple-tinted glasses are out in full force here. Chesney’s biggest accomplishment in his coaching career is winning the Patriot League, and he does not bring expertise on either side of the ball. He had done a nice job so far at HC, but any 1-A school who is not attracting a superior candidate profile is in a world of trouble. Coach Chesney has significantly improved the program at all three colleges where he has been the head coach. Please don't damn him with faint praise, as in "a nice job so far". The guy is an exceptional football coach. What is your definition of “exceptional?” Top 1% in country? Top 5%? 10%?
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 7, 2021 23:28:35 GMT -5
Bullspit. Indianhoop was one guy who was pretty adamant about not wanting Chesney, but show me the receipts where 95% didn’t want him. I actually think a number of posters were excited about him. Foles, you think unh is looking for a new coach soon as Mac appears to be in the twilight years of his great career? Ricky Santos will more than likely be the next UNH coach. Scott James would be high on my list if I was Santos. Santos was the interim last time when Mac was out with his cancer diagnosis...Mac has always felt like he was ready to retire. I think Chip Kelly is going to get canned soon at UCLA, does he just take the UNH gig to live out the rest of his coaching career?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 8, 2021 0:37:55 GMT -5
Coach Chesney has significantly improved the program at all three colleges where he has been the head coach. Please don't damn him with faint praise, as in "a nice job so far". The guy is an exceptional football coach. What is your definition of “exceptional?” Top 1% in country? Top 5%? 10%? HC's first varsity football game was in 1896 vs WPI. I checked with Webster's Dictionary for the definition of exceptional coach. It said "Win first national post season game in 125 years." So if HC wins a national post season game under Coach Chesney the debate is over. That's exceptional. Maybe not at SDSU or Sam Houston State, but definitely at Holy Cross.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 8, 2021 6:38:47 GMT -5
Every level he has taken a down program and made them the best in their league. If people don't think that the big boys in FBS notice that I don't know what to tell you. 95 percent or more on this board didn't even think he deserved to be looked at because he was at Assumption. I must be in the 5%... I think his best advice & strongest endorsement will come from Brian Kelley
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Post by hcpride on Nov 8, 2021 7:12:03 GMT -5
Every level he has taken a down program and made them the best in their league. If people don't think that the big boys in FBS notice that I don't know what to tell you. 95 percent or more on this board didn't even think he deserved to be looked at because he was at Assumption. Nope. Quite a few of us saw a resemblance with Rick Carter (youth, great success as head coach at lower divisions, and obvious appeal to recruits) and were quite positive on the idea of hiring Bob Chesney to turn around the program. (Interestingly, there were a couple of posters who also wanted him but thought he’d turn us down since it could be a career killer.)
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 8, 2021 7:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 8, 2021 7:45:09 GMT -5
Coach Chesney isn't taking his ray-bans down the Mass Pike west 40 miles imo...not to say that some other opportunity may present itself this year or soon. His next stop, FBS head coach or coordinator, is going to have to be a very good situation (financially, institutionally, socially, geographically etc) for him and his family to leave what he has established at HC/Worcester. He has set HC football as the "gold standard" in an admittedly weak PL, brought excitement through PL titles, FBS wins, solid OOC wins etc etc. I just don't see him leaving the culture he has created (and still creating) at HC to take a job at a place like UMass, UConn or many other FBS schools of their ilk i.e.places with a very shaky football future moving forward. Hate to say it, but his next most logical step, given his career so far is probably a position at BC (D coordinator? special teams coach?). Let's just beat Fordham Saturday first and speculate on this down the road. I don't think D coordinator at BC would be much of a step up. The career path, if one wanted to model a path is Joe Moorhead, from HC at Fordham to OC at Penn State to HC at Mississippi State, which didn't pan out. He is now OC at Oregon.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 8, 2021 7:46:07 GMT -5
I actually think Chesney would have a real good shot at this along with any other FCS Coach who wants it and is qualified. Don Brown makes 800k as a DC. Why would he want to come back to a horrendous program to make roughly the same - even if UMASS tops it.
They don't have a conference. Their stadium isn't great, etc. I don't see this as a good job at all, but if someone can triple their salary over a 4 year period my guess is they are going to look at it hard.
That said - I think what any FCS Coach would have to look at it is - if this goes south quick - what do I do after this. Where does Bell go after this and how long will it take for him to get another crack at a job down the road. UCONN and UMASS are a tough sell right now. As bad as it gets in FBS. With current rosters that can't beat FCS teams.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 8, 2021 7:55:31 GMT -5
Good post, harry.
Look at what happened to Bob Diaco. Hot coordinator name coming from Notre Dame several years ago. He took the UConn job, flamed out there after a few years, bounced around as a position coach at several schools after being fired from UConn, and he's now -- from what I can tell -- out of college football.
The flip side is that the bar is very low at UMass. If a coach is able to get that program to a couple years of playing .500 football, that's seen as a great success and could move him along to a bigger job.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 8, 2021 7:57:39 GMT -5
Re: Don Brown. Arizona won its first game of the season last Saturday, beating Cal Berkeley. Cal Berkeley had 24 players sitting out the game because of COVID protocols including the starting QB. and half the OL starters. Plus five coaches. So Brown's tenure at Arizona might be shaky if the HC is sacked. Brown is also 66 years old, so UMass would be his last rodeo. www.dailycal.org/2021/11/06/24-cal-football-players-out-against-arizona-due-to-covid-19/^^^ I don't know how this happens in this day and age.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 8, 2021 7:57:43 GMT -5
Coach Chesney isn't taking his ray-bans down the Mass Pike west 40 miles imo...not to say that some other opportunity may present itself this year or soon. His next stop, FBS head coach or coordinator, is going to have to be a very good situation (financially, institutionally, socially, geographically etc) for him and his family to leave what he has established at HC/Worcester. He has set HC football as the "gold standard" in an admittedly weak PL, brought excitement through PL titles, FBS wins, solid OOC wins etc etc. I just don't see him leaving the culture he has created (and still creating) at HC to take a job at a place like UMass, UConn or many other FBS schools of their ilk i.e.places with a very shaky football future moving forward. Hate to say it, but his next most logical step, given his career so far is probably a position at BC (D coordinator? special teams coach?). Let's just beat Fordham Saturday first and speculate on this down the road. I don't think D coordinator at BC would be much of a step up. The career path, if one wanted to model a path is Joe Moorhead, from HC at Fordham to OC at Penn State to HC at Mississippi State, which didn't pan out. He is now OC at Oregon. Don't forget Moorhead (a former QB) was a successful OC at two FBS programs before getting hired as HC back at Fordham. And then OC at Penn State. And then HC at Mississippi State. And now back to OC at Oregon. I don't necessarily see a major college hiring Chesney as OC (given his background). I'd see it more likely he moves on to a lower FBS HC job.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 8, 2021 7:59:52 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. He owes it to HC to work as hard as possible to build a winning program. He has done that and seems to give everything he has to the players and the school. If someone offers to double or triple (or more) his salary, it’s hard to blame him if he leaves. All posters who would not leave their current job for the same job at another employer for 2-3x pay out of some sense of loyalty, please step forward. I recognize that he’s under contract but HC will have to let him out of that contract if he wants to leave. Generally not good business to refuse those requests. For the record, I think he is at least one FCS playoff win away from getting offered an attractive FBS job. Winning the PL a couple of times isn’t enough.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 8, 2021 8:04:07 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. He owes it to HC to work as hard as possible to build a winning program. He has done that and seems to give everything he has to the players and the school. If someone offers to double or triple (or more) his salary, it’s hard to blame him if he leaves. All posters who would not leave their current job for the same job at another employer for 2-3x pay out of some sense of loyalty, please step forward. I recognize that he’s under contract but HC will have to let him out of that contract if he wants to leave. Generally not good business to refuse those requests. For the record, I think he is at least one FCS playoff win away from getting offered an attractive FBS job. Winning the PL a couple of times isn’t enough. FWIW, when Carter's team got ranked at or very near the top of FCS he started getting HC I-A offers. Not before. Of course things change but we're certainly not near that level (yet!).
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Post by HC92 on Nov 8, 2021 8:08:06 GMT -5
As to leaving for a coordinator job, I don’t really see it. Some guys are born to be great head coaches and some guys are born to be great coordinators. I think Chesney is in the first group and will eventually get a pretty good FBS-level head job after HC. Not this year.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 8, 2021 8:09:33 GMT -5
Im not overly impressed with winning the horrid PL the last two years. Last season was just glorified spring practice. We've had a couple of good wins this season but still are not FCS top 25 material. If he were to leave within the next 3 years I would have no respect for him. HC gave him a big break. He owes it to HC to take them as far as he thinks he can. He owes it to HC to work as hard as possible to build a winning program. He has done that and seems to give everything he has to the players and the school. If someone offers to double or triple (or more) his salary, it’s hard to blame him if he leaves. All posters who would not leave their current job for the same job at another employer for 2-3x pay out of some sense of loyalty, please step forward. I recognize that he’s under contract but HC will have to let him out of that contract if he wants to leave. Generally not good business to refuse those requests. For the record, I think he is at least one FCS playoff win away from getting offered an attractive FBS job. Winning the PL a couple of times isn’t enough. Agree. Chesney's dominance against PL shouldn't be discounted, but nor should his record of 6-12 in the OOC. Reading more into that though, he's played four FBS schools and year one was a transition year. I'd like to think in Chesney's mind that staying in Worcester for another 2-3 years, continuing to dominant the PL and winning some games in the playoffs is a better path to big-time college football than going to conference-less UMass or UConn.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 8, 2021 8:13:39 GMT -5
SoV...from your mouth to God's ear.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 8, 2021 8:26:58 GMT -5
Agree with 92 that he’s not going to leave for a coordinator role anywhere. He’s a head coach. I also think he has roots in Worcester and possibly his home state of PA.
That said, money talks.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 8, 2021 9:08:20 GMT -5
As to Don Brown, he has two years on the state payroll to go to become vested for a pension, so don't discount him as an option as a placeholder at the very least while UMess sorts out a long-range plan for FB which would allow them to attract a better pool of candidates.
He's a realistic option, and someone who may take it.
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