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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2021 7:18:39 GMT -5
Final season records (Rick Carter):
'82: 8-3 '83: 9-2-1 (Western Carolina playoff loss included) '84: 8-3 '85: 4-6-1
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Post by efg72 on Dec 5, 2021 7:21:41 GMT -5
Great picture gallery in the Telegram if I figure out how to cut and paste I will
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2021 7:23:43 GMT -5
Good luck with that!🤞
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Post by hcpride on Dec 5, 2021 7:52:08 GMT -5
Final season records (Rick Carter): '82: 8-3 '83: 9-2-1 (Western Carolina playoff loss included) '84: 8-3 '85: 4-6-1 If you want to list all Carter’s HC years (beyond the ‘82, ‘83, and ‘84 years Tim and I were discussing), don’t forget 1981. 6-5 record (Of the two 1-A opponents we beat Army 28-14 and lost to Flutie's BC 28-24). (FWIW The highest 1-AA ranking we reached during the 1985 season was #20.)
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Post by timholycross on Dec 5, 2021 10:29:42 GMT -5
Final season records (Rick Carter): '82: 8-3 '83: 9-2-1 (Western Carolina playoff loss included) '84: 8-3 '85: 4-6-1 If you want to list all Carter’s HC years (beyond the ‘82, ‘83, and ‘84 years Tim and I were discussing), don’t forget 1981. 6-5 record (Of the two 1-A opponents we beat Army 28-14 and lost to Flutie's BC 28-24). (FWIW The highest 1-AA ranking we reached during the 1985 season was #20.) Had Peter Muldoon taken advantage of a fifth year which he was entitled to; things may have been a lot different in 1985. That position was a revolving door that season and hurt the club a lot. Several close losses, IIRC.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2021 11:38:34 GMT -5
And Coach Carter may still be alive
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Post by hcpride on Dec 5, 2021 13:25:08 GMT -5
If you want to list all Carter’s HC years (beyond the ‘82, ‘83, and ‘84 years Tim and I were discussing), don’t forget 1981. 6-5 record (Of the two 1-A opponents we beat Army 28-14 and lost to Flutie's BC 28-24). (FWIW The highest 1-AA ranking we reached during the 1985 season was #20.) Had Peter Muldoon taken advantage of a fifth year which he was entitled to; things may have been a lot different in 1985.  That position was a revolving door that season and hurt the club a lot.  Several close losses, IIRC. I’ve got a feeling folks like Chesney know the ‘85 story and the general notion that you’re just a couple of injuries, grad decisions, bad bounces and bad luck away from a mediocre record.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2021 13:59:08 GMT -5
'85 was such a strange (and ultimately tragic) season. Overall the team was very talented, beat a solid Delaware team (thanks somewhat to Hurricane Gloria), played a good Army team (bowl team that year) really tough for 3 quarters etc.
A lot of it stemmed from Coach Carter's troubles at the time (his father was seriously ill, he was upset about not getting out of his HC contract etc). QB issues as already stated, injuries etc etc...it was just a team that couldn't get any traction.
Credit to the players and coaches then to turn it around so quickly and go on the phenomenal run of 1986-91.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 5, 2021 16:44:43 GMT -5
For a start!
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 5, 2021 18:15:42 GMT -5
'85 was such a strange (and ultimately tragic) season. Overall the team was very talented, beat a solid Delaware team (thanks somewhat to Hurricane Gloria), played a good Army team (bowl team that year) really tough for 3 quarters etc. A lot of it stemmed from Coach Carter's troubles at the time (his father was seriously ill, he was upset about not getting out of his HC contract etc). QB issues as already stated, injuries etc etc...it was just a team that couldn't get any traction. Credit to the players and coaches then to turn it around so quickly and go on the phenomenal run of 1986-91. I agree. But leave us not forget that we were still an athletic scholarship program in the nascent non-scholarship PL between 1986 and 1991. The most memorable game for me during this period was a last second win over Princeton at Palmer Stadium when Nolan Cromwell emerged from a kickoff scrum at midfield and raced down the HC sideline for the winning TD. I know a guy who started for that Princeton team and he remembers that play very well.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2021 18:26:52 GMT -5
Picking a nit, it was Darren Cromwell who latereled to Tim Donovan who took it in......was there, can't believe that was 33 years ago.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2021 18:32:54 GMT -5
Also there. Greatest finish ever if not the greatest win (deferring to all '67 guys here who think that'd be the '66 BC game). Princeton had just scored what they thought was the winning tally with something like 2 seconds left and all they had to do was stop a kickoff TD return. They didn't. I kept looking for flag or a ref saying we ran out of bounds - and it was close - but nope, we won.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 5, 2021 19:08:28 GMT -5
We were undefeated against the other league members who play with the same restrictions. GU plays with more restrictions but that's their choice. Yep, undefeated in the PL. And, this year we competed against other PL teams on an even playing field under the same rules. It was a wonderful achievement. Is my memory correct? 14-1 vs PL since Labor Day 2019??
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 5, 2021 19:41:46 GMT -5
'85 was such a strange (and ultimately tragic) season. Overall the team was very talented, beat a solid Delaware team (thanks somewhat to Hurricane Gloria), played a good Army team (bowl team that year) really tough for 3 quarters etc. A lot of it stemmed from Coach Carter's troubles at the time (his father was seriously ill, he was upset about not getting out of his HC contract etc). QB issues as already stated, injuries etc etc...it was just a team that couldn't get any traction. Credit to the players and coaches then to turn it around so quickly and go on the phenomenal run of 1986-91. I agree. But leave us not forget that we were still an athletic scholarship program in the nascent non-scholarship PL between 1986 and 1991. The most memorable game for me during this period was a last second win over Princeton at Palmer Stadium when Nolan Cromwell emerged from a kickoff scrum at midfield and raced down the HC sideline for the winning TD. I know a guy who started for that Princeton team and he remembers that play very well. Nolan Cromwell was the great hurdler and football player from Kansas who went on to have a long career as a safety with the LA Rams.
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 6, 2021 7:59:24 GMT -5
Immensely proud of the team. There hasn't been a 3-year period of this level of success in a generation's time. Very hopeful for the future.
A lot has been discussed about league rules re: redshirting, the scholarship caps, etc. Another piece is the roster cap. If you add three equivalencies to max out at 63 and allow an increase in the size of the roster, you can do wonders to your depth. The way the rules are structured now, you're artificially inflating the impacts to your roster that injuries to key players impart. Personally, I'd love to see the reshirting piece eliminated as well, but I think you could keep that in place so long as you remove the other two inhibitors. The entire league would benefit from a competitive standpoint and you wouldn't have to sacrifice any level of academic prestige to do it. At the end of the day, it would be a question of athlete health and safety.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2021 9:01:56 GMT -5
Given the incredible movement of players via transfer nowadays and our ambitions to get to the top of FCS, I’d like us (PL or HC) to make some minor tweaks so we (HC) can realistically attract a few schollie FBS transfer kids who might otherwise be buried on a depth chart at BC, etc.
Great way to bring in good kids (and talented contributors) within the roster limits. I remember Tim Galloway, a schollie player who actually saw the field a little bit at Ohio State before transferring, really helping us out under Rick Carter. He subsequently graduated from Harvard Law.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 6, 2021 10:32:06 GMT -5
Villanova game stated attendance was ~5100. On TV it looked closer to 8-9k once all the tailgaters/students made their way in by the late first quarter. Can anyone confirm or have thoughts? Same issues as the HC game where the actual attendance was a couple thousand more than the official number?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 6, 2021 10:49:04 GMT -5
Villanova game stated attendance was ~5100. On TV it looked closer to 8-9k once all the tailgaters/students made their way in by the late first quarter. Can anyone confirm or have thoughts? Same issues as the HC game where the actual attendance was a couple thousand more than the official number? It definitely was about 8500 or so. I have pictures to prove it.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 6, 2021 11:16:46 GMT -5
Why on earth would the NCAA and/or Villanova low ball the attendance? To make FBS look better?
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Post by mm67 on Dec 6, 2021 12:34:12 GMT -5
I could never use an eyeball estimate. Whenever I estimate the # of prescription pills remaining in the pill bottle invariably I am nowhere the actual number count. Far be it from me to begin to estimate the crowd size.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2021 12:40:01 GMT -5
People are fat these days. Takes fewer people to make a stadium look full.
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Post by trimster on Dec 6, 2021 12:58:49 GMT -5
I could never use an eyeball estimate. Whenever I estimate the # of prescription pills remaining in the pill bottle invariably I am nowhere the actual number count. Far be it from me to begin to estimate the crowd size. I suspect guessing the no. of jellybeans in the jar isn't in your wheelhouse.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Dec 6, 2021 13:27:53 GMT -5
Villanova game stated attendance was ~5100. On TV it looked closer to 8-9k once all the tailgaters/students made their way in by the late first quarter. Can anyone confirm or have thoughts? Same issues as the HC game where the actual attendance was a couple thousand more than the official number? It definitely was about 8500 or so. I have pictures to prove it. I know Villanova Stadium pretty well and watched the game closely on TV. My eyeball estimate was 7,500/8,000. Just like with our game against Sacred Heart, the announced number was much lower than the actual attendance.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 6, 2021 13:36:18 GMT -5
I know in Mass. HS sports, the MIAA gets a big cut of state tournament attendance....I'm wondering if schools lowball attendance at these playoff games to not give the NCAA a biggah cut? Just a thought.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 6, 2021 14:31:00 GMT -5
Hopefully my final thought on the game. Did anyone else notice that especially in the beginning of the game how Crusader players helped up Wildcats that they had just tackled. Notably and especially Jacob Dobbs. While our guys were doing that, Villanova players were taking punches at our downed QB and noted they tried to "ground down" HC runners who were tackled and purposely slow in getting up and off them after the play.
My gut tells me I want SDSU to pound these guys despite their nice comments afterwards (faint praise: Holy Cross is NOT a Patriot League team) but my head tells me that a win by Villanova will enhance our end-of-season ranking.
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