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Post by sader1970 on Dec 4, 2021 10:25:22 GMT -5
Nails it! (we haven't used that in a while, have we?)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2021 10:26:00 GMT -5
BBC--
Okay-- do you think Brett Nelson is a better basketball coach than Bob Chesney is a football coach? Really??
One more thought--you have waged a campaign urging us to "be patient" with our basketball program because we have so many young players, yet you seem to have made up your mind that Matt Sluka is not a good quarterback. Are you aware that he, too, is only a sophomore? The guy is a tremendous talent--why not just admit it, and enjoy watching him if you are a Holy Cross fan?
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 4, 2021 10:30:38 GMT -5
Some comments in this thread reflect lack of knowledge/experience playing D1 football. Otherwise good offenses tend to sputter against good defenses and vice versa. You can’t comment on either in a vacuum. What I saw where two well-matched, well-coached, highly athletic football teams who both played excellent football last night. For HC, with all of its PL and school-imposed handicaps, to be at a place where it can compete like this against the CAA champs in the second round of the FCS playoffs indicates to everyone that the program is probably at a high point, and it seems like there is a lot of gas left in the tank. Villanova almost beat Penn State for crying out loud. Plus they were at home with two full weeks to heal and repair vs HC’s short prep week. HC wins this by 14 if the roles were reversed, which at the rate we’re improving may be as early as next year. We should be using our energy as alumni to advocate for an endowed coaching position, not bickering about a bad throw or two. a good point .. one that the announcers made several times... e.g. HC doesn't have grad students or fballl red shirts on the roster; the Villanova RB who scored 2 TDs has been in the program for 6 yrs. |
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Post by classof83 on Dec 4, 2021 10:40:34 GMT -5
Was it my imagination or was about 75% of the anecdotal chit chat between announcers last night about HC and not the seeded home team Villanova? Another intangible Chesney has helped create for HC is positive buzz about a small college doing things the right way and succeeding. We're on an upward trajectory without compromising the soul of the school to attain it. I noticed it too. I thought the announcers were pretty good. There was constant mention that there are no graduate transfers in HC's program - unlike Villanova. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 4, 2021 10:42:37 GMT -5
BBC-- Okay-- do you think Brett Nelson is a better basketball coach than Bob Chesney is a football coach? Really?? One more thought--you have waged a campaign urging us to "be patient" with our basketball program because we have so many young players, yet you seem to have made up your mind that Matt Sluka is not a good quarterback. Are you aware that he, too, is only a sophomore? The guy is a tremendous talent--why not just admit it, and enjoy watching him if you are a Holy Cross fan? What a ridiculous first question. Please point me to where I made any comments even remotely close to that. My “issue” (and what seems to be causing BBC Derangement Sundrome) is that if you only got your information about HC football from this board, you would think Bill Belichick was our coach, Tom Brady was our QB, and we were a top 10 team in the country. Very few seem to have any interest in the idea that everything about the football program is not completely perfect right now. It seems enjoyable to have that idealistic approach and heavily tinted purple glasses, but unfortunately that’s just not the way I see things. Bob Chesney can be (1) a very good coach, can have (2) done a great job recruiting and building up the program culture, and can (3) be holding the program back with a weirdly inconsistent approach to offense (often times extremely conservative, sometimes being extremely aggressive - e.g. going for it on 4th downs in the 1st quarter). Those three things are not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by classof83 on Dec 4, 2021 10:46:16 GMT -5
I don't know a lot about football or quarterbacking, but it seems to me that if Sluka could put a little more air on the deep throws it would give the receiver a chance to run under the ball. There was a deep throw in the first half. where the receiver was wide open. The ball was thrown on a line that the receiver had no chance to catch it - a little more air and it would have been a big play. I have seen Sluka do this a few times in the last few weeks
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 4, 2021 10:51:17 GMT -5
Twitter post that Canty - Sam Houston OC - will be next Delaware coach
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Post by princetoncrusader on Dec 4, 2021 10:52:52 GMT -5
Went to the game last night. What a great atmosphere! Without reviewing 22 pages of posts, a few observations:
1) Sluka is an amazing talent. I am sure there are a few passes he would like a do-over on, such as the pass to the tight end in the 4th quarter where he threw it on the wrong side. That play would have gone a long way. I was impressed with his ability to throw whilst rolling to his right. But that was a strong, quick VU defense he was up against.
2) Really thought the defense played well except for a couple of lapses on long pass plays. Clearly, the loss of Dobbs was a tremendous blow.
3) What a shame that Ng missed that close field goal in the 1st half.
4) VU stadium is a rather utilitarian structure. The lights, press box and field turf look nice, and the new Andy Talley building in the end zone is impressive. But the seating is far inferior to Kessler stadium or Goodman stadium. Exiting the stadium took me 15 minutes thanks to only 1 gate being open on the home side. Only stadium I have been too where the VU students and band sit on the visitors side. Lots of new buildings on the campus since my last visit in 2009--mostly dorms I think.
5) The boys left it all on the field. Nothing to be ashamed of! They went toe to toe with the #5 team in the country on a short week of practice and a long bus ride. They did not look at all intimidated.
6) Saw TD128 as I exited the stadium.
7) At the pre-game reception, I had the opportunity to meet President Vince. What a warm and engaging man. I didn't probe is football knowledge, but it says a lot that he would fly down from Boston for this game. It wasn't like he was in a room of PC members. He said thanks to Fr. Peter, prez of VU I assume, he got a pass to sit in the press box.
8) The LL Bean hand and toe warmers worked well. Now I am well stocked for next season.
Onward and upward for this program. We must get coach Chesney locked up in a long-term contract.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2021 10:58:21 GMT -5
From BBC:
What a ridiculous first question. Please point me to where I made any comments even remotely close to that.
My “issue” (and what seems to be causing BBC Derangement Sundrome) is that if you only got your information about HC football from this board, you would think Bill Belichick was our coach, Tom Brady was our QB, and we were a top 10 team in the country. Very few seem to have any interest in the idea that everything about the football program is not completely perfect right now. It seems enjoyable to have that idealistic approach and heavily tinted purple glasses, but unfortunately that’s just not the way I see things.
Bob Chesney can be (1) a very good coach, can have (2) done a great job recruiting and building up the program culture, and can (3) be holding the program back with a weirdly inconsistent approach to offense (often times extremely conservative, sometimes being extremely aggressive - e.g. going for it on 4th downs in the 1st quarter).
Those three things are not mutually exclusive.
There you go again with your usual silly exaggerations. A poster or two says "our Joe Smith is a really good linebacker" and you counter by saying "I can't believe you guys think Smith is better than Lawrence Taylor". Stop it
Weren't you saying early in the season that Bob Chesney could not coach offense? Then didn't we score a lot of points all season long? Maybe the "weirdly inconsistent" approach keeps the opponents guessing at times? I think you should judge the offense by how much it scores over the course of the season. Doesn't that make sense?
Compare Matt Sluka's sophomore passing versus his freshman passing . Better yet, compare his second half of this season to the first half of this season. I bet you'll find that he continues to show improvement
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Post by matunuck on Dec 4, 2021 11:01:03 GMT -5
Was it my imagination or was about 75% of the anecdotal chit chat between announcers last night about HC and not the seeded home team Villanova? Another intangible Chesney has helped create for HC is positive buzz about a small college doing things the right way and succeeding. We're on an upward trajectory without compromising the soul of the school to attain it. I noticed it too. I thought the announcers were pretty good. There was constant mention that there are no graduate transfers in HC's program - unlike Villanova. And we have an AI, unlike VU. |
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Post by rickii on Dec 4, 2021 11:02:29 GMT -5
On the suggestion/request of a 25% raise plus 1 year extension for Chesney....wow! Such a slap in the face would be enough to push him to the Delaware job. Three points I said until the new AD comes on board to provide a new contract. The gesture on Monday would serve as a bonus for this season and in January you would formalize the new contract Second- you can't run to Delaware or anywhere else unless they offer you an interview and the job Third, find the money to double the salary of the entire football staff with incentives. If Chesney leaves at some point, you make this one of the best jobs in 1AA If ok with you I’d like to meld your first two points.... Chesney may/should have performance bonuses on his existing contract so your point 1 may/should be covered. I think we agree that Chesney deserves a new 5-year contract. Of course we don’t know if Delaware or anyone else has/will shortly be contacting him....how could we? But that’s the risk when you know he’s well known and highly thought of in the coaching biz. Can’t wait until January or whenever a new AD surfaces to resign Chesney. As we’ve seen in the last 10 days, these deals move more quickly than ever these days. Lastly, your point 3....doubling staff salaries Do you honestly believe that would ever happen at HC? The AI, having less than the maximum allowed scholarships, no grad transfers and few if any JUCO transfers are major program negatives. The HC job is a stepping stone/short term destination. Look at Villanova....how long has that coach been there making more $$ than Chesney? |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 4, 2021 11:07:26 GMT -5
Twitter post that Canty - Sam Houston OC - will be next Delaware coach Did you mean Ryan Carty? |
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 4, 2021 11:11:27 GMT -5
Sorry - yes.
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Post by classof83 on Dec 4, 2021 11:12:49 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the Villanova coach is getting paid? At a minimum that may help in what we should pay BC.
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Post by classof83 on Dec 4, 2021 11:14:32 GMT -5
Addazio was just fired at Colorado State after 2 years.... Would they have interest in BC?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 4, 2021 11:15:46 GMT -5
Addazio was just fired at Colorado State after 2 years.... Would they have interest in BC? Are you trying to "shop him around?" Are they interested? I don't give a crap. Let's focus win getting him better compensation HERE at HC. |
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Post by dadominate on Dec 4, 2021 11:19:05 GMT -5
we should do whatever it takes (within reason) to keep chesney. he was a winner right out of the gate at hc and had us within striking distance of one of the best teams in the country on their home field on a short week after a playoff win.
we are also really blessed to have sluka. he is an incredible athlete, a warrior, and we wouldn't be where we are without him.
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Post by classof83 on Dec 4, 2021 11:22:19 GMT -5
Addazio was just fired at Colorado State after 2 years.... Would they have interest in BC? Are you trying to "shop him around?" Are they interested? I don't give a crap. Let's focus win getting him better compensation HERE at HC. This is a message board - nothing more |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 4, 2021 11:27:25 GMT -5
Fair enough. Let me clarify this a bit. What is the "message" in your asking "would they be interested?" I do worry about HC losing BC so I guess that makes me oversensitive. We see other college message boards being quoted here all the time. AI would hate to think that what is posted here could put ideas out there that could cost us dearly. Sorry for my overreaction.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 4, 2021 11:38:29 GMT -5
Three points I said until the new AD comes on board to provide a new contract. The gesture on Monday would serve as a bonus for this season and in January you would formalize the new contract Second- you can't run to Delaware or anywhere else unless they offer you an interview and the job Third, find the money to double the salary of the entire football staff with incentives. If Chesney leaves at some point, you make this one of the best jobs in 1AA If ok with you I’d like to meld your first two points.... Chesney may/should have performance bonuses on his existing contract so your point 1 may/should be covered. I think we agree that Chesney deserves a new 5-year contract. Of course we don’t know if Delaware or anyone else has/will shortly be contacting him....how could we? But that’s the risk when you know he’s well known and highly thought of in the coaching biz. Can’t wait until January or whenever a new AD surfaces to resign Chesney. As we’ve seen in the last 10 days, these deals move more quickly than ever these days. Lastly, your point 3....doubling staff salaries Do you honestly believe that would ever happen at HC? The AI, having less than the maximum allowed scholarships, no grad transfers and few if any JUCO transfers are major program negatives. The HC job is a stepping stone/short term destination. Look at Villanova....how long has that coach been there making more $$ than Chesney? I get your comments and on point 3 --my understanding??? is Chesney and the staff are paid less than hoops by a wide margin. A doubling is doable The rest are negatives we live with. Being one of the best 1AA options/jobs in my mind is being well paid, recruiting kids that are coachable, don't require babysitting for maintaining strong academic records, and a chance to compete for league championships and NCAA Playoffs. So it could be a stepping stone, it might be a career, but it means if and when Chesney leaves we can be very selective when picking a new coach. |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 4, 2021 12:02:35 GMT -5
I like seeing "If" attached to his possible future departure. I also believe we need to show him that he has a place at HC...both now and in the future.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 4, 2021 12:04:17 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 4, 2021 12:08:58 GMT -5
Interesting discussion. Thanks for posting.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2021 12:09:57 GMT -5
The Ivy board--some very interesting comments about Holy Cross-you should visit this |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 4, 2021 12:12:26 GMT -5
Weren't you saying early in the season that Bob Chesney could not coach offense? Then didn't we score a lot of points all season long? Maybe the "weirdly inconsistent" approach keeps the opponents guessing at times? I think you should judge the offense by how much it scores over the course of the season. Doesn't that make sense? Compare Matt Sluka's sophomore passing versus his freshman passing . Better yet, compare his second half of this season to the first half of this season. I bet you'll find that he continues to show improvement In two playoff games, we averaged 14.5 points and 317.5 yards. In those two games we only managed to score 3 touchdowns — one of which on a Hail Mary, and another on a drive that started on Villanova’s 20 yard line after our excellent Special Teams caused a fumble on a kickoff. So one “true” TD drive over two games. In 4 playoff games, Chesney’s offense has averaged 14.75 points. The only game the offense has scored more than 16 points was the Monmouth game where we were down 39-14 with 5 minutes left and scored two late meaningless TD. In 4 playoff games, Chesney’s offense has averaged 285 total yards. That’s a pretty significant sample to show that we are going to score about 14 points and gain about 300 yards in playoff games. That is an awfully tough formula to try and beat good D1 college football teams. Our defense is outstanding and is the reason we even had a chance the last two weeks, but I would be worried about the impact of losing Dobbs (generational talent) and potentially Scott James over the next two years. Despite all the fantasy land talk of Chesney being a candidate for 1-A jobs, Scott James would be the guy who I am most concerned about losing at this point. —- Re: Sluka, he reminds me of Peter Pujals. Great athletes, ability to make excellent plays and put up impressive stats. But if it’s 3rd and 7 and you need to fit a tight window throw between a DB and LB or Safety, it’s not going to be completed very often. Similar to my take on the current Chesney offense putting a ceiling on the program, not having a QB who can throw that pass is also going to put a ceiling on the offense/program. Our passing game would have been in deep, deep trouble if it wasn’t for Jalen Cooker in the playoffs. He was simply outstanding making plays. Similar to my previous comment on Scott James, I would be more concerned about potentially losing him to the transfer portal than losing Chesney at this point. |
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